Pissed about it!

Okay MA, it's time for me to stop spending 1k peds a whack to get a 200 ped return! 20% return is rediculous! Losing a few peds is one thing, you hopefully get some skills for those small ped losses. But 800 peds loss in 10 minutes of crafting is complete nonsense. Expand that to an 8 hour click session and you lose 38k per session?

$3,800 at $15/month buys a LOT of time on other games.
(21 years and some change)

moar details or this is a rant

Crafting on full condition?

I've lost my shirt doing it, the saddest part is that I still hope to hit a nice one someday

I suppose the post with the flaming and offensive content will be deleted/edited in no time. [EDIT] Told ya.

Anyway, if you're able to lose 38k per session... you can change professions to something more productive. After all, such amount is enough for lots of entrepreneurs to open a fruitful businesses. I could start a business with that amount. I mean, I'm having lots of fun in EU without depositing. An extra 38k could come handy.

If your loosing like this then your obviusly doing something wrong

using a bad bp, buying ores with to high markup,using a bp that you dont have skills for,crafting on condition where you shouldnt whatever it is its surely your own fault

adopts and evolve ..... or die

yeah the return in every profession is total crap... i lose 50e per day if i play...
today made 3 hunt first one was -160ped, second -130ped, 3rd -200+ was too pissed to count the actual loss on last

it doesnt matter if i hunt economically when i cant get loot bigger than 2ped
this system is total fucking crap... i wouldnt even wanna know what i would lose if id craft... been smart to stay away from that this far

Hally said:

If your loosing like this then your obviusly doing something wrong

using a bad bp, buying ores with to high markup,using a bp that you dont have skills for,crafting on condition where you shouldnt whatever it is its surely your own fault

adopts and evolve ..... or die

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Sad, defending MA, I don't buy above market price, OA101 is L1 bp, yeah it was on condition. Just a rant.

ruskea said:

yeah the return in every profession is total crap... i lose 50e per day if i play...
today made 3 hunt first one was -160ped, second -130ped, 3rd -200+ was too pissed to count the actual loss on last

it doesnt matter if i hunt economically when i cant get loot bigger than 2ped
this system is total fucking crap... i wouldnt even wanna know what i would lose if id craft... been smart to stay away from that this far

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13k wasn't enough for ya? :|

No crafting, no problem... Seriously, if you can't afford it, stay away. I can tell from my own experience, that crafting nearly made me quit in november. And, as other crafters have already confirmed, it's cheaper to invest into skills and then craft something sellable instead of wasting cash on skilling up yourself. The only way to achieve something is to have a very serious capital to invest, otherwise it's pure waste of time and money.

It all levels out ... problem is for some it means loosing k's before getting something back.

Crafting in general is expensive. 1k is nothing in crafting.
Do it slow and you will not loose like that.

Atami

I'm not saying this after losing just 800 peds. Yes, I lost 800 peds today so far, in the first 10 minutes, but the 75k peds I'm down overall is the real sore spot!

LG

LyricalG said:

Sad, defending MA, I don't buy above market price, OA101 is L1 bp, yeah it was on condition. Just a rant.

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Yeah i lost like 20k making 101s with adequate skills and even a 85 qr print on condition. Had a few breakeven runs but the markup on resources and no hof above 1k killed it. Valuable lesson learned: "Dont craft =)"

nvcK said:

Valuable lesson learned: "Dont craft =)"

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... on condition.

But crafting on condition is giving nice globals...go on ;p

Cafting on condition...your own fault...big chance, big risk

Well the 800 PED in ten minutes is probably just a bad run, like atami says its not likely to stay that bad.

Problem with low amps is you're paying markup for the materials and crafting something with little markup to sell on. You can't get that markup back, best you can really hope for is break even on tt in the long run unless you get continuously lucky.

You've got to find stuff you can cover the markup costs of the material with sell-on markup value of the product, even if that means crafting small stuff.
Some of the components these days are quite doable, and there's also things which only use animal oils so markup is pretty low I guess.

Well MA really has gone weird.
Last night i was crafting basic filter (ok not much cost involved). After 200 clicks i had enough and switched to quantity.
Why?
I had only 1 succes (very small) in 200 clicks. That means less than 10% return.
On quantity i did get some successes but faar from profit.
So i switched back, and at then got a 15.5 ped succes.

So ok it didn't do bad, but if was all because of one last click. My socmate on the mean time lost big time on weapon crafting.
I think it's insane. MA should spread it better, even though im crafting on condition. 1 on 200 is just sick. Ok it was only 5 pec per try, but what if i were doing mining amps?

Crafting

I was using a limited bp to make the Geotrek H45 Ortso the print I had was 4 tries. I thought L print had a higher COS so I gathered up the material made all necessary parts and clicked 4 times.....no sucess just 2k of metal residue on two clicks. Bottom line I spent 1500 ped and no gun. BTW it took a long time to get all of the materials to do this. Some of the necessary items were almost impossible to get not to mention expensive. I am a crafter that has the skills to be using this bp level 19 blp weapon engineer. The combination of the system not making sense and the lack of materials makes it hard to play.

One last comment

I dont understand seeing the HOF list with people that have multiple HOF's on a low level print on a daily basis (example would be OA-101, Simple I plastic springs) I do understand multiple listings on the HOF list when making High-end items (example Vixen, Auktuma, Buzz)

I bet that guy was crafting on condition!

that most be a OA-101 crafter lol play roulet and loos huges

Condition or Quantity

On the Geotrek H45 Ortso I crafted on full quantity with residue so any successful attempt would have been full tt. I would have expected to make at least one gun. One gun would have been a 25% success rate. The COS bar is higher on the limited prints so I hoped to make two of them.

Hally said:

If your loosing like this then your obviusly doing something wrong

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You assume that if people are making these kinds of losses, they *must* be doing something wrong.

That's not very cool.

Some of us have done everything by the book, we watch every pec and skirt every edge and we are losing our asses.

The only thing we are doing wrong is playing this game and lining the pockets of those who have found the "trick" that lets them profit or break even. The shopowners, LA owners, and every other 3rd-rate crafter and entrepreneur tells you to "just fight through it", "take time off", or "you must be doing soemthing wrong" just to keep you in the game throwing good money after bad.

What not just admit this program is broken and give these people's rants some credibility? My soc has been decimated by these returns and these rants are becoming all too common. Surely there cannot be that many pople doing everything wrong?

While we used to laugh at all the OJ's that whined that they weren't making a PROFIT, like MA promised(or insinuated) now we are knocking the people who aren't breaking even...or making 50% return....then 30%...now 20%.

20% is about average for me. Every time I take and break and come back, 20% has been my return each time.

I keep trying to stay away until 9.0, but I drop my guard and try a few 200 ped hunts only to be painfully reminded why I took time off.

LyricalG said:

Sad, defending MA, I don't buy above market price, OA101 is L1 bp, yeah it was on condition. Just a rant.

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what do you mean 'sad defending ma'??

He wasnt defending ma, he had a valid point!

People here are trying to help/advise you, dont take it out on other people for your losses!

I suggest you listen some, skill up some...for a couple of years at least!

Not come in here ranting and knocking members of the community!

THATS MY RANT!!!

Frigid said:

You assume that if people are making these kinds of losses, they *must* be doing something wrong.

That's not very cool.

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If people are making those kinds of losses they ARE doing something wrong. There is no "trick" to breaking even. As Hally said - if you have returns like that, figure out what you're doing wrong and change it. And dropping money into the ore amp slot machine and then losing's hardly that surprising, i've lost a lot doing that too when I've felt like a gamble lol

dj. said:

what do you mean 'sad defending ma'??

He wasnt defending ma, he had a valid point!

People here are trying to help/advise you, dont take it out on other people for your losses!

I suggest you listen some, skill up some...for a couple of years at least!

Not come in here ranting and knocking members of the community!

THATS MY RANT!!!

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Wow, your an angry person. BTW I've been playing since 2003. I stated within that comment, it was a rant and not directed at any 'member of the community' calm down is my suggestion.

I have and am about to go craft some more.

You have the complete right to be an angry person, which in turn gives me the right to be angry for a few minutes and throw out a rant. I don't mind suggestions, but I have been crafting 4 years. Yes condition may have been a nono, but only way I have EVER uber globaled. cept mining, and hunting of course.

my thread my right to complain... (no longer pissed)

Frigid said:

You assume that if people are making these kinds of losses, they *must* be doing something wrong.

That's not very cool.

Some of us have done everything by the book, we watch every pec and skirt every edge and we are losing our asses.

The only thing we are doing wrong is playing this game and lining the pockets of those who have found the "trick" that lets them profit or break even. The shopowners, LA owners, and every other 3rd-rate crafter and entrepreneur tells you to "just fight through it", "take time off", or "you must be doing soemthing wrong" just to keep you in the game throwing good money after bad.

What not just admit this program is broken and give these people's rants some credibility? My soc has been decimated by these returns and these rants are becoming all too common. Surely there cannot be that many pople doing everything wrong?

While we used to laugh at all the OJ's that whined that they weren't making a PROFIT, like MA promised(or insinuated) now we are knocking the people who aren't breaking even...or making 50% return....then 30%...now 20%.

20% is about average for me. Every time I take and break and come back, 20% has been my return each time.

I keep trying to stay away until 9.0, but I drop my guard and try a few 200 ped hunts only to be painfully reminded why I took time off.

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Yeah, why always blame the people. MA is the one who screws up all the time.

Shackleton said:

If people are making those kinds of losses they ARE doing something wrong. There is no "trick" to breaking even. As Hally said - if you have returns like that, figure out what you're doing wrong and change it. And dropping money into the ore amp slot machine and then losing's hardly that surprising, i've lost a lot doing that too when I've felt like a gamble lol

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"Figure out what I'm doing wrong."

Ignoring the things I *can* control, like decay and a few tricks to conserve ammo, I do the following:

I hunt.

kind of hard to screw that up. What am I doing wrong? *please* enlighten me. Not everyone gets uber hofs and can ignore losses like this every day.


The TT value of the items I loot give about a 30% return. 40% on a good day with markup. After decay, that drops downs into the 30's, the 20's...or lower.

I keep records, I change mobs, I change locations. I change weapons. I run minimal armor with minimal fapping. I hunt at all times of the day. I deposit, I take time off..I've tried just about every twitchy move short sticking a dead cat under my computer chair smeared in chocolate sauce(the cat, not my chiar! Of all the stupid ideas...hmmm...wait...I haven't tried it on my chair...).

After much ado, I have come to the conclusion loot is LUCK mitigated by skills which only reduce your decay and ammo burn, but do *not* effect your return. The skills that reduce your decay and ammo burn are hard to come by.

How do I change what the damn mobs drop? People, who know, if there is a way, won't tell. Those who have told me what they do, doesn't work for me. Most suggestions just sound like superstitious practices that people think work for them. I used to run into that at the casino, too.

And don't tell me to craft, don't tell me to mine, don't tell me to resell. I want to HUNT. Hunting is fun to me. Hunting is what i came here to do. If I want to make money gambling, I'll go to the casino where I *can* use my skills to increase my return...but I'm not dumping my winnings back into this money-pit under these returns.

Think of something you like to do that costs money. Now multiply the cost of that by 10 and ask yourself is it worth doing it anymore for that price? I did this for PE and my answer was "Hell no!". I'll hold on until 9.0.

The only thing I can change now is the amount of time I play. I get better returns by *not* playing.

Great game.

Hi there =)

just want to say you, the minimum at what you should start expecting something from any blueprint with what you are crafting is: 100qr.

this is hard to archive with some blueprints because some have high costs per click or/and high markups, that is why most crafters messing around with
materials first to get to level 10 to unlock blueprint comprehension.
1 thing that this skill does is lowering the afford you need to reach 100qr.

therefor this game mesures the 'real' level of a blueprint not only in book-level but too in cost-per-click. That is why attachments are considered the hardest to make like the 'golden discipline', followed by weapon crafting.
only because so many global around with it, doesnt mean that they are skilled enough to not lose with it.

a lot more plays a role after you reached the first step of 100qr and that is
other not unlocked skills and your professional standing.
After that there is engineering level for the competition with others.

There is alot more you can do. it is all alot affort with only a little improvement, but if you gather enough information and handle them all right,
archive first that what must be archived (because ther is alot where one will lose but at the same time others will win) then you will end up at a winner spot (it is not save, you must outsmart others all the time). there is no money to be given away for free, nowhere.

It is a permanent competition about informations and missinformation,
investing money in long test streaks, making connections to buy and to sell, having friends to help out, having previleges to get the rar materials, having subcrafters that permanently craft you materials as a specialist or beeing that subcrafter, having a soc that spread out the word of yours for connections with its fame and members.., handling the auction right, knowing the shops and prices in it, knowing the exact differens of the crafting slider, knowing what to craft at what time, monitor your drops to notice the smallest change and then go that way all along, knowing what print you take for what purpose, knowing the influence of certain VU changes.. man there is many things i can think of to improve (such things is what the game is all about) (and if one thing is not working out to get the edge dont blame it man, start thinking and start acting, there is no time to waste in an dynamic market)

but dont just do a random thing with a random blueprint with just bought that resource from auction and like click the button, but blame the randomness of the loot 'man this shit game give me not profit!'.
there is 1 thing where MA must make its income and that is IT.

and this is the only thing that you cant be mad with, that was always so..
that what changed now is that there are higher loots but lower quantity of loots, making it more spiky and letting it take a long time before you reach 'normal loot, like you are used to'.

there are many ppl out there that invested much or worked hard/smart or have worked hard to get to their archivment and if you want it, you must
act smarter, work harder or have alot of money to think in all kind of investments. That is how business works.

you know, i can understand the gamers that only want to enjoy the game and cant effort it at that point,.. but there is games that are attached to pvp otheres are attached to pve, others are strategic games,.. this game is attached to business.. the rich guys can show off, the poor can sweet and hunt snable, exa ( and there is break even profit alot i have heard and that constant )
the others find niches as a trader, some as smart system users, some are using the professions as services like tailor, painter, petguy.. some are playing robin hood as a scammer.. but there is no play the game to enjoy without knowing some the business, because there is no playing a strategy game with beeing a total fool in acting smart, beeing quick ( you get rushed away outnumbered in 2 minutes evry game ) that is just no fun, is it ?=)

i dont say go away, i say 'cmon man you enjoy the game, do something about your business to hang in there! '

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eyy, i just realised, i would not read all that if i were you, that would be a pain, many sorry

i see this game as a close to reality game
i mean
you cant find guides on what to do to succeed on something in real life can you?
ok there are some but they were made by ppl like you and me so they are not fool proof
this game became a real world to me when i couldnt find anything official (from MA) on what to do to be successfull on it
and if this game is so close to reality...
think for a moment
there are ppl that lose loads of money trying to create a nice store
some lose trying to craft something (just examples)
if you like it even with the loses
go ahead
but i would recomend you find something that you could at least break even
when you have no money for something in real life and you know youll lose the rest you, in most cases, look for something else to do
something that would increase you money untill you can do what you want
and in rl you cant simply deposit money from another life into your current account can you?
about MA giving no loot and all
when you lose money in real like this money go somewhere doesnt it?
often for the government
whos Calypsos government?
answer is simple: MA
and as the governants need money to get food
so does MA employees
they need to get this money from somewhere right?!

ps.: erm sry if this is confusing... someday ill learn how to write what i mean ;P