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I could be totally wrong here but I think the ammo you loot in PVP is what the Avatar has looted while in the zone!

Could be wrong!

Mav:D
 
TheLastMaverick said:
I could be totally wrong here but I think the ammo you loot in PVP is what the Avatar has looted while in the zone!

Could be wrong!

Mav:D
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Good point. Unfortunately for relative newbies (slightly up from noobs !!) I doubt that the P.K'ers are going to answer this one - so controlled experimentation is about the only way I / we will get a valid answer BUT at 5ped / immunisation shot - I doubt I wll try.

Anyway - my ambitions to be an AVENGING P.K.er (i.e. pick ONLY on those who take lesser players down - just because they can) is most emphatically on hold.

I do not doubt that I will still feel the same as my skills "naturally" mature but other threads on P.K and associated skilling warn that it is a VERY EXPENSIVE process and that "jumping into the Twin Peaks ring" is NOT the way to skill up !!

The 1st female Umbra suited "earthling" persuaded me to accompany her (in my umbra suit) to have some fun at twins. This we did - and fun it was.

BUT .... !!

My prowess with my new Urban Stalker quite simply did NOT match up with my ambitions and jumping into the ring proved the point - most EXPENSIVELY !!

Having accepted my ... um... "level" in the game - I went into the ring several times more BUT with my lowest powered BLP pistol firing away - just for effect.

DAMN IT - who is going to know that I am just blasting away with an el-cheapo if I cannot kill them - only when you kill - is your weapon of choice displayed for all !!

(cheap scape / skin flint) Aussie DOG !!
 
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TheLastMaverick said:
I could be totally wrong here but I think the ammo you loot in PVP is what the Avatar has looted while in the zone!

Could be wrong!

Mav:D
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Yeah you're totally wrong :D

You don't lose ammo when PKed. The ammo in the loot comes from the loot pool, not the avatar.
 
Oleg said:
Yeah you're totally wrong :D

You don't lose ammo when PKed. The ammo in the loot comes from the loot pool, not the avatar.
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interesting - along the lines of how the human mind operates / interprets.


I interpreted his post as:

An avater may have ammo as dropped by looting MOBS in the area and thus - (some of ?) the ammo gained may or may not be associated with a "special" loot pool (which includes ammo) for killing Avatars.

Hence my post which indicated that to get a true idea implied:

would involve quite an elaborate (and expensive) series of controlled tests - which would require 2 (or more) very cooperative players WITHOUT interference from P.Ker's AND MOBS (a somewhat naive set of parameters as an expectation on my part !!).

HUMAN communication - ever for amusement - ever for frustration !!

Aussie DOG !!
 
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So if you go in with no stackables, you have only the 5 PED entry injection to lose?
 
TheOneOmega said:
So if you go in with no stackables, you have only the 5 PED entry injection to lose?
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CORRECT - well - ok - MY understanding is that that is correct.


BUT ..... !!! (ah yes - always a "but" !!)


Try moving around such areas WITHOUT being attacked by MOBS. If you stand and fight, you gain loot (hopefully !!). Thus, even though your loss may be small, you WILL lose the stackables.

So far - I play as carefully as I can - I make a hunt or mining run (or more likely a "defensive mining run" !!) and specifically target getting to a TP to ensure I can get to a Storage Terminal. There I drop all loot I would lose in a successful P.K. attack and then I go back in.

I have ensured that I have the same hot key available (irrespective of which Function key I use) for an emergency TP Chip trip BUT ( !!) you have to SUCCESSFULLY energise the chip - which you CANNOT do if you receive a hit whilst energising the chip.

As for "stand and fight a P.K.er" as seen in a previous post, by the time I realised I was in danger - it was too late - I could not even see the attacker, let alone aim an fire.

PvP RED zones - a very interesting but very challenging aspect of EU !!

(with a LOT to learn) Aussie DOG !!
 
TheOneOmega said:
So if you go in with no stackables, you have only the 5 PED entry injection to lose?
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Any stackables (ores enmatters non-ammo loot) you acquire in the zone may be looted.

There are two tabs in your inventory
-one is ores+enmatters
-one is hides, wools, extractors, sweat etc etc

These are the two panels of your inventory that are looted by an attacker. If they are empty at the time, then you have nothing to worry about.
 
Immortal said:
Any stackables (ores enmatters non-ammo loot) you acquire in the zone may be looted.

There are two tabs in your inventory
-one is ores+enmatters
-one is hides, wools, extractors, sweat etc etc

These are the two panels of your inventory that are looted by an attacker. If they are empty at the time, then you have nothing to worry about.
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Hey !! MANY THANKS for that - nice and easy to remember (and check).
 
So...

So what exactly happens if you kill yourself with the rocket launcher? It should count as a PK by yourself, so... do you loot yourself, or...
Also, can you drill someone else's claim?
 
Raynaldp said:
So what exactly happens if you kill yourself with the rocket launcher? It should count as a PK by yourself, so... do you loot yourself, or...
Also, can you drill someone else's claim?
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:yay: The logically & possibly illogical extremes of PvP !!

Conjecture on my part but:

- to kill yourself is highly likely to have been seen by the system designers as a no looter (not your own & not from a PvP loot pool) but HEY - try it and if you get loot - put in a complaint about it not being profitable !!

- To kill others (a VL form of suicide bomber !!) is more likely to be valid BUT it depends on the timing of the kills - if you get killed first then (as above - I would expect it to be a no looter).

- for others to die before you - NOW WE HAVE a PROBLEM - if (yes IF) the looting is automatic, I would expect you to get loot, both from the avatars you killed BEFORE you died AND from the PvP loot pool - BUT it is very likely that you still need to activate the "loot" control - which you can only do if you are alive.

My guess would be that neither of the above would result in loot.

I died and zoomed off to the RT very quickly and IMHO it was too fast for the avatar to have reached me to active the "loot" control - but I was still looted. Thus, is looting automatic OR was I wrong in how close the P.K.er was ? - I do not know - I was too ... um ... pissed off by being caught out !!


Oh yes - I was killed 2 times in the Akmuul PvP zone and had on both occasions deliberately gone in with no stackables - thus I personally was not looted. On both occasiions my RT protocol only kicked in after the P.K.er had come up to me. So I do expect the looting to NOT be automatic - ie - a P.K.er NEEDS to activate the "loot" control as per looting MOBS.
 
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Youngnott said:
:yay: The logically & possibly illogical extremes of PvP !!

Conjecture on my part but:

- to kill yourself is highly likely to have been seen by the system designers as a no looter (not your own & not from a PvP loot pool) but HEY - try it and if you get loot - put in a complaint about it not being profitable !!

- To kill others (a VL form of suicide bomber !!) is more likely to be valid BUT it depends on the timing of the kills - if you get killed first then (as above - I would expect it to be a no looter).

- for others to die before you - NOW WE HAVE a PROBLEM - if (yes IF) the looting is automatic, I would expect you to get loot, both from the avatars you killed BEFORE you died AND from the PvP loot pool - BUT it is very likely that you still need to activate the "loot" control - which you can only do if you are alive.

My guess would be that neither of the above would result in loot.

I died and zoomed off to the RT very quickly and IMHO it was too fast for the avatar to have reached me to active the "loot" control - but I was still looted. Thus, is looting automatic OR was I wrong in how close the P.K.er was ? - I do not know - I was too ... um ... pissed off by being caught out !!


Oh yes - I was killed 2 times in the Akmuul PvP zone and had on both occasions deliberately gone in with no stackables - thus I personally was not looted. On both occasiions my RT protocol only kicked in after the P.K.er had come up to me. So I do expect the looting to NOT be automatic - ie - a P.K.er NEEDS to activate the "loot" control as per looting MOBS.
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The pk player is looted automatic. you don't have to do anything then kill the other player.
 
simsonfam said:
The pk player is looted automatic. you don't have to do anything then kill the other player.
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hmm - in that case a "VL suicide mission" would be very unpredictable. Timing would be critical.

As a "P.K.er technique" I very much doubt it could be justifed by loot returns.

On the other hand - it may be worthwhile developing a "VL suicide" technique as a means of protecting your own loot.

Of course that depends on the weapons used and relative damage / second achievable under the skills of the respective Avatars involved in the conflict.

***
"strange" that I am thinking along these lines ?

Only to those who do not understand the limitations imposed on a VL by a RL ageing body and brain !!
 
Raynaldp said:
So what exactly happens if you kill yourself with the rocket launcher? It should count as a PK by yourself, so... do you loot yourself, or...
Also, can you drill someone else's claim?
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1st You cannot drill someone elses claim

2nd if you kill yourself, you do not receive any loot from the loot pool. And because you were "pked" you will loose your toxic shot.
So only kill yourself if you have loot worth more then the toxic shot.
 
I have just updated my guide. For those who do not see me online often anymore, I have re-joined the British Royal Navy cos my government needs men like me to go and fly & fight in foreign fields where there is no clarity on who is friend or foe so basically we are all f*****G targets for maniacs. I am still writing books, but mostly doing it now during those lonely nights at sea or a sitting in a shitty little desert. See you all whenever I am home and good luck to all those who still venture into the zone, even those who kick my ass in there. Won't be long till my new book is published then I'll be shopping for a full Eon male set to even things up a bit hehe. GL all. :wtg:
 
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bumpty bump bump: just cos I'm so pissed on booze atm and I'm running about in pvp3 & 4 hunting and mining in my underpants not giving a shit lol
 
Ragnor said:
bumpty bump bump: just cos I'm so pissed on booze atm and I'm running about in pvp3 & 4 hunting and mining in my underpants not giving a shit lol
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That's the way to do it!! Uni N Zippo style! Go get pissed and take a tour :D
 
The-One-Baan said:
Also have a PVP4 tip for NON-pkers, miners.

First tp to Akmuul before you go into the zone. Look for people wearing, Infiltrator, eon, vigi and other burn/penetration armors. Click and dragg the avatar, a healthbar occurs. Dragg that bar close to your radar.
Once your in the pvp zone and you see a green dot, you know if that certain GD is one of those people, and when you dont stand a chance RUN and hug mobs!. lol One Baan u r one of those pussies pises me off so much u run as soon as gd appears lo. At least, even though carrying shit loads of loot, I have never done that :)

Also what i sometimes do when hunting mobs in PVP3-4, is keeping my HP real low, so when a green dot occurs, a mob close to you can kill you in one or two hits. Most of the time this works good.
You can also make shortkeys to low level armor which you carry with you, i always change my phantom to vigi when i hunt Mulmun or Muluk and see a green dot. Vigi protects you pretty ok against guns and riffles, BUT the cut, impact, stab protection is low, so when you meet a mob while running from the green dot, it can easily kill you...(which is a good thing in this context).

Anyways, it doesnt always work, got killed enough times in PvP4.
.......and by the way always lost my loots and shot!
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lol, yep, that tactic works, but imop it's for pussies, I'd rather fight and lose than run, maybe why I spend so much ped on toxic shots lol, but, all ubers know, I never run always fight despite the odds lol I earn so much money much rl a 5ped shot is like putting a single peanut in my mouth. So, all gds in pvp I meet will confirm, I kill or die, & if they kill me, lol, 5 Ped shot? lol, it really is less than I spent on penny sweets as a child of 3. Shit, my wife is giving me grief and telling me to log off
 
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I'll read all the posts and shit tomorow, lots of hispidius globals up to doms and 1 Alpha in my underpants tonight, though my evade, avoidance and rifle skills make these mobs noob fodder now. Two nooby guns and tt fodder as loot? cmon MA I was in my pants in a lootable zone and shot loads of these mobs:). Where's my uber loot|?
 
not bad ragnor.
 
Youngnott said:
I have ensured that I have the same hot key available (irrespective of which Function key I use) for an emergency TP Chip trip BUT ( !!) you have to SUCCESSFULLY energise the chip - which you CANNOT do if you receive a hit whilst energising the chip.

As for "stand and fight a P.K.er" as seen in a previous post, by the time I realised I was in danger - it was too late - I could not even see the attacker, let alone aim an fire.

PvP RED zones - a very interesting but very challenging aspect of EU !!

(with a LOT to learn) Aussie DOG !!
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Terrain is your best friend in there, anyone spending a lot of time in the open is very open to long range attacks, if you stay aware of hills in close proximity to hide behind and charge a TP chip you most often can't be hit from range and have a chance.

Interestingly I met a GD while quite loaded with loot in PvP4 and was almost on the ridge of a hill, so I nipped down the other side and charged up my TP so not to risk the GD looting me whoever it was ....racing towards me. At the other side of the ridge whoever it was fired a grenade over the hill and almost killed me ...but failed luckily. Nice tactic I thought, then had another thought..I had a big Longblade on me...he had a looong reload to wait...and probably very poor cut/stab protection armour...I should have chopped him to bits :laugh: Too risky with a load ...maybe next time.

I once met a guy who had a very poor strategy for PVP survival, he was amazed to see a GD, LOG OFF to avoid attack..and log back to find he died and lost his loot :laugh: .

t
 
timmmers said:
........ then had another thought..I had a big Longblade on me...he had a looong reload to wait...and probably very poor cut/stab protection armour...I should have chopped him to bits.....
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Ahhh - a glimmer of hope for me - I have (by interest) specialised in blades but never really thought of them as effective against ranged - yet - why not - armour usually does focus on the ranged for PvP red zones - if - (yes - IF - !!) I can hide long enough to get close, then maybe it would work ... but I sure ain't going to try and perfect such a technique whilst carrying lots of loot !!

Perhaps I should just concentrate on taking blades to LvL 100 and see what it has done to ranged at the same time - GOSH - sounds like a 10 yr journey for me - the MEAN BASTA.... um... the gentlemen who have raised my wrath and desire for revenge will be long gone to other planets by then.

I just hope I remain true to myself and do NOT use such skills to be mean to others - just because I can !!

WOOF - Grrrr "nice dog" !!

Aussie DOG !!
 
Youngnott said:
Ahhh - a glimmer of hope for me - I have (by interest) specialised in blades but never really thought of them as effective against ranged - yet - why not - armour usually does focus on the ranged for PvP red zones - if - (yes - IF - !!) I can hide long enough to get close, then maybe it would work ... but I sure ain't going to try and perfect such a technique whilst carrying lots of loot !!

Perhaps I should just concentrate on taking blades to LvL 100 and see what it has done to ranged at the same time - GOSH - sounds like a 10 yr journey for me - the MEAN BASTA.... um... the gentlemen who have raised my wrath and desire for revenge will be long gone to other planets by then.

I just hope I remain true to myself and do NOT use such skills to be mean to others - just because I can !!

WOOF - Grrrr "nice dog" !!

Aussie DOG !!
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The main problem you face in killing an uber isn't so much what weapons they have or even armour they own IMO ...a little smart thinking and tactics can help there sometimes....it's their health and their FAPs, and massive dodge/evade. You can hit a real uber for 200 and he's still got 100 left and a mod ~FAP to fix that, he does the same dmg to you (easily) and you're toast most likely.

However :cool:...try getting hold of one of these :-

http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.as...tar_Mercury_Anti-materiel_rifle,_prototype_(L)

that would give you a shot with most ubers, and they are crafted ;)

t
 
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Sounds like fun, cant believe I have never been in there yet (pvp 3+ pvp 4). Guess its time to buy an anti-toxic shot and go and have a look. Wish me luck and dont hurt me.........:D
 
northstar said:
Sounds like fun, cant believe I have never been in there yet (pvp 3+ pvp 4). Guess its time to buy an anti-toxic shot and go and have a look. Wish me luck and dont hurt me.........:D
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WOOOOF !!

I do indeed wish you the best of luck !!

PM me your planned time and point of entry - plus a list of your skill levels


(Guardian "angel") Aussie DOG !!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
timmmers said:
.......... You can hit a real uber for 200 and he's still got 100 left and a mod ~FAP to fix that, he does the same dmg to you (easily) and you're toast most likely.

However :cool:...try getting hold of one of these :-

http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.as...tar_Mercury_Anti-materiel_rifle,_prototype_(L)

that would give you a shot with most ubers, and they are crafted ;)

t
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:laugh: Not even "most likely" - more like dead certainty !!

BTW - still in the dark on your weapon of choice - link does not work (for me ?).

I'll consider myself to be ready (read - "less likely to be cannon fodder" IF I ever get to being able to survive the very 1st sting of a spider).

Ghost+6A is NO protection for me !!

hmm... on 2nd thoughts - my FIRST solo spider kill would see myself as more confident.

I did watch an uber going after spiders SOLO and he managed it - OH BOY !! - the ammo burn and the high level fapping (and presumably equally high decay on armour etc) made me wonder if the loot could possibly justify it.

He did tell me that he got an empty skill chip in the loot - so it seems he was satisfied (but he did not mention its tt value !!).

I was in spider country (a land area dedicated to the little.. umm.. BIG nasties) my best attempts to stear between the dots was so obviously going to fail that I used a tp chip to get to instant safety.

NO - I was not wearing armour - what would be the point !!

(so pleased with my emergency tp home facility) Aussie DOG !!
 
timmmers said:
http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.aspx?chart=Weapon&name=Star_Mercury_Anti-materiel_rifle,_prototype_(L)

Weapon of my dreams rather than of choice, rare methinks that we see that BP show it's face :laugh:

#link works now though ;)

t
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Link works - THANKS !!

I have added it to my "wish list" but as in RL - VL dreams can be just as unreal(istic !!).

No mention of price but I'll bet it will be for the rich boys only - Aussie Pensioners do not stand a chance unless I steal one that someone puts on the ground whilst they have a meal / sleep / other um.. break !!

IF - yes IF - I got full power & - presumably - a top amp - not tried entropedia for the effects of the amps, but I'll bet it gives an envious boost, then I would expect to be able take out uber P.K'ers of the "mean bastard" variety (the target of my dreams).

I have seen the occasional anti-material rifle in auction (not often though) - their "current tt" leaves a lot to be desired.

My experiences of L items is not good & thus prefer unL but that is an incredibly expensive path - I aim high as I can but it still falls far short of "top gun / sword / knife".

Perhaps I will have to settle for a team effort in taking on those previously mentioned "mean bastards" - they sure do make a lot of enemies.

:laugh: ofc - having said all of that - even if I did buy top gun/sword/knife - MA would (at some future date ?) merely create another entry into the table of weapons & attributes and VOILLA - I am out classed again - me thinks - DOG does not come out on top - only MA does !!

:yay: Meanwhile I'll keep developing my skills to the point where ALL hunts are so profitable that peds will never again be a problem AND I can take myself off the Aussie Pensioner list :yay:

(good at dreaming) Aussie DOG !!
 
Thank goodness you wrote a "Zone Etiquette" section. Its sad how people forget that in PVP anything goes, (with the exception of true friendships and HOFS)
 
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