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So do I understand this correctly?

You ppl want everything handed to you on a plate eh!? Yes this is the first time any pp has tried to lend a hand to the sweater community by allowing sweat in bp's, no one else does this for you !. Dont tell me what am i on about !! Shut the F up. Im talking :wtg:, yes this is the first time anyone has ever tried to make missions a bit more interesting (No one else has even dared to, just sticking to the easy road !) This is the FIRST time anyone has ever tried to be creative with these things for YOUR entertainment and here you are doing what come naturally ...BITCHING .... Can things be improved ? FUCK YEA of course they can, cause it all brand F-en new. Hell MA are still "improving" things since the day they launched that company and Calypso. So take a step back and get of your little shiny tantric budhas cause theres more to this game and is doing and ND is doing pretty darn well is leading the way by experimenting and trying to be creative for YOUR entertainment. If you still wanna bitch and moan and take what i said, twist it to mean what you want and rewrite a whole new bitching chapter, then go ahead. The ignorant drama trolls will do just that. WAKE UP you unappreciative little mofo's ! I speak for Daisy, not for anyone else so stick that up there and rotate ! :silly2:
 
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Razer said:
But a big WARNING !!!! message should do it. If that is there it could actually be fun and challenging to get out.
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What good will a warning do? After all there's an entire clause in a contract that was a warning to Neverdie that he'd have to give up his avatar once he was a planet partner, and he didn't read that, and completely ignored it (some might say still is ignoring it since he still owns the bank and runs banker banker manager) ... and whining/rebelling in public because he now has to start following the rules of the contract he signed with his own hands is basically the sole reason the prison seems to have been created in the first place...
 
They'll imitiate this over on Calypso, and make it a Prison Planet. :wise:
:deal:Nobody goes anywhere until they've burned thru 12 million ped.
err, wait...:scratch2:
 
Thorn said:
Another development. I went to RT and started hunting first. Ended up in the prison. Now when I go to other NPC`s for missions such as the police officers they kill me and others say they won`t deal with me because of my criminal nature or whatever. Now I`m wondering if I have to go complete the prison mission to restore my standing before I can do any other missions. I finally managed to get a cellphone but it`s not doing anything at all other than being a non functioning tool like a wrench but I can`t even hold it. Puzzled yet not surprised.
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Thorn: There is a corrections officer standing by the pvp ring just south of the bamf hq(headquarters?) (the eastern of the two tps) He gives you a mission for community service to clear your name. I think its kill 100 zombies which is pretty easy. I just haven't done it since I am going in and out of the prison several times a day as smuggler.

narfi
 
So the answer about "abandoning" the mission is that there isn't really one mission to abandon. From the way my soc mate explains it, there are several or a series of missions you must complete to get out. If you abandon any of them, you just have to start that one again, but it doesn't get you out of prison.

He tried to TP before using level I chip, and is going to try level II when he can borrow one to see if it gets him far enough out of the zone to allow him to escape, but he doesn't think it will work...we'll see.

-Mack

P.S. To Narfi...if you will loan Xerox your level II chip on your next Smugglers run, I will vouch for him. He will definitely return the chip, and you have my guarantee as well as General of Squires.
 
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Mack said:
P.S. To Narfi...if you will loan Xerox your level II chip on your next Smugglers run, I will vouch for him. He will definitely return the chip, and you have my guarantee as well as General of Squires.
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For sure :)
I offered it to him this morning when I was in there, but he wanted to try some other ways first.

narfi
 
narfi said:
Thorn: There is a corrections officer standing by the pvp ring just south of the bamf hq(headquarters?) (the eastern of the two tps) He gives you a mission for community service to clear your name. I think its kill 100 zombies which is pretty easy. I just haven't done it since I am going in and out of the prison several times a day as smuggler.

narfi
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I had remembered one of the messages mentioning BAMF HQ and wrote it down hurriedly last night. I just came from there and the community service mission. Thanks!

Though I was contemplating becoming a true smuggler as well! LOL
 
mastermesh said:
What good will a warning do? After all there's an entire clause in a contract that was a warning to Neverdie that he'd have to give up his avatar once he was a planet partner, and he didn't read that, and completely ignored it (some might say still is ignoring it since he still owns the bank and runs banker banker manager) ... and whining/rebelling in public because he now has to start following the rules of the contract he signed with his own hands is basically the sole reason the prison seems to have been created in the first place...
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I do not agree with the way ND handled his avatar after he became a PP, but that has not much to do with this mission. I did not try this mission and the info I see here is not very conclusive yet, but IF you can abandon the mission and get out of prison, I do not see any problem. If you can not abandon the mission and getting out is not to hard, you should have seen the text telling you you could not get out when you excepted the mission, so no problem there as well, you were warned. If it is hard to get out (big mobs to kill) then it might not be a very good mission and thing might need to change.

narfi said:
For sure :)
I offered it to him this morning when I was in there, but he wanted to try some other ways first.

narfi
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This kinda proves to me that the mission is working. He was offered a easy way out, but wanted to try his own way.

Again, not a big fan of RT, but I can see why this could be fun to do. Of course it should not be to hard and there should be some easy way out if you give up the mission.

This all however does support teamwork, like Narfi is doing. I can also imagine that people team up, shoot the mobs and let one person do all the kill shots to get easy kills and get out relatively easy.

Anyway, this does show what is possible with the missions and does give me a good feeling about the future of missions. We will not only see the 'kill xxxx mobs" missions and that is a good thing.
 
Mack said:
No John, to be fair, I have never been to RT, but so what? The point is that you can get trapped in the prison quest, as you said, by completing the pre quests. The 2 warnings do not say anything about the fact that you will not be able to leave the planet until the quest is completed. If ND wants to trap avatars in the prison when on planet for a month (well longer actually) that is up to him, but they should ALWAYS have a means to leave planet if they choose. That should be a planet partner requirement. If MA doesn't have this in the agreement the planets sign, then that is a HUGE mistake on their part.

AND, as it is now, there are so many PKers in there that even if you were prepared, have guns etc., the PKers don't let you complete you mission by killing the mobs, so you can plan on spending a LOT more than a month in there if you accept these missions. This is absolutely ridiculous that MA allows this!!!

And for those who asked about tp'ing out...that is also one of the warnings, not to try to use TP chip. And if you do, it does not work and are just forced into additional missions to be able to get out as punishment!! DO NOT TRY TO USE TP CHIP!!!

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BTW, I'm fine with the quest sequence as it is set up, AS LONG AS the players have the option to leave planet if they choose. I agree, I think the quests are pretty creative and imaginative, but I am completely against trapping players on planet.

-Mack
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So basically you made a thread about what you see as an issue on another planet that you have not been to or not likely to go to? So why the post?

Is this issue affecting you? No
Is this issue affecting someone you know (They would have posted) No
Are you just a Forum Troll? Yes

The people in NWO prison are indeed "stuck" but you can still get out if you really wanted to (A simple TP to BAMF HQ and you revive there) so all you are doing is trying to create another shit flinging match. You have the honour of being the 2nd person on this forum I have ever gave a -rep to purly because you created a thread with the intention to start another them/vs war.

Person who are really stuck in the prison have asked in chat and been offered help to escape immediately.
 
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I could write a long essay on this ridiculous, self-righteous, miss-guided and small-minded combination of words, but It would make no impact. All I can say is go on ND forum and count the Anti-Calypso threads. One hand, no fingers held up.
 
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dilly said:
I could write a long essay on this ridiculous, self-righteous, miss-guided and small-minded combination of words, but It would make no impact. All I can say is go on ND forum and count the Anti-Calypso threads. One hand, no fingers held up.
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Its not just that its people who you used to see as respected people do these random -reps.

I have had my share of -reps and 90% are honest opinions obviously unlike this one that does not even look like he read the thread and did not even bother posting :)
 
:scratch2: Even after this became the official forum for Planet Calypso, there have been a TON of threads/posts bashing FPC/SDS for their actions. Not sure why another planet would get a pass just because this isn't their forum. But the personal bickering needs to stop.



However, the OP is discussing a long hard mission that folks seem to be volunteering to commit to. I see no problem with that. Personal choice by definition.
 
JohnCapital said:
:scratch2: Even after this became the official forum for Planet Calypso, there have been a TON of threads/posts bashing FPC/SDS for their actions. Not sure why another planet would get a pass just because this isn't their forum. But the personal bickering needs to stop.



However, the OP is discussing a long hard mission that folks seem to be volunteering to commit to. I see no problem with that. Personal choice by definition.
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I fully agree my point was before you remove my post (I guess players can hide behind there -reps) the OP is not involved in any way at all so he is creating a thread designed to cause issues?

I am really not trying to create problems on your forum but the OP can blatantly cause issues and when I post 1 comment I got from a -rep it is removed?

I will not post any more comments I get in future it just seems a tad strange that someone who is trying to cause problems is left alone.

<Edit> reported OP for "Unneed post not even remotely reliant to the poster designed to create flame war!"
 
just for the record, John_connor, yes, posting rep comments and showing who they're from is considered private communications.

And yes, I quite agree that most folks complaining about this mission are complaining unnecessarily, assuming they do have some 2 different warnings before getting involved, as has been mentioned. Besides conflicting reports of whether you can leave or not.

However, I'm not seeing the OP itself as flaming. Only certain people's reactions.
 
In answer to the OPs question, and his concern for his society.

Both a Dark Knight and a Dark Knight's Squire have prematurely aborted their prison sentences successfully.

narfi
 
narfi said:
In answer to the OPs question, and his concern for his society.

Both a Dark Knight and a Dark Knight's Squire have prematurely aborted their prison sentences successfully.

narfi
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Glad to hear it, and that you can get out with tp chips. Sounds like instead of just guns you should be running ME and TP chips! :)
 
John_connor said:
I fully agree my point was before you remove my post (I guess players can hide behind there -reps) the OP is not involved in any way at all so he is creating a thread designed to cause issues?

I am really not trying to create problems on your forum but the OP can blatantly cause issues and when I post 1 comment I got from a -rep it is removed?

I will not post any more comments I get in future it just seems a tad strange that someone who is trying to cause problems is left alone.

<Edit> reported OP for "Unneed post not even remotely reliant to the poster designed to create flame war!"
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dude no offence, it's clear you love RT and that's super, but you need to chill out a bit.

First off, I have no problems with RT, infact I quite like it and have spent quite a bit of time there.

Secondly, our soc mate was stuck, wanted out couldn't find a solution on the neverdie forums, so he asked for help. Mack being our soc leader went to the place where any of us usually go for help and posted the thread here.

Obviously something about the wording has upset you and I'm not really sure what, but that is the problem with writtin text, different people take things in different ways.

Also this was a pretty friendly thread really, go back and read how heavily people on this forum slam FPC/SDS when shit like this happens. Compared to them this is all sunshine and lollipops.
 
narfi said:
Thorn: There is a corrections officer standing by the pvp ring just south of the bamf hq(headquarters?) (the eastern of the two tps) He gives you a mission for community service to clear your name. I think its kill 100 zombies which is pretty easy. I just haven't done it since I am going in and out of the prison several times a day as smuggler.

narfi
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Thorn said:
I had remembered one of the messages mentioning BAMF HQ and wrote it down hurriedly last night. I just came from there and the community service mission. Thanks!

Though I was contemplating becoming a true smuggler as well! LOL
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After doing this community service it seems to be taking a while for it to register like all my other missions so far have. Meaning I get the completed message or confirmation for an NPC but like with Casey and her green cassette it took me logging in the next day to get final confirmation I finished it along with a text message reply from her. Seems to be mission lag for everyones information.
 
Very Demotivational Prison.

Well many ppl complained that ppl post here who have not been in there. I have been there, I have turned over hundreds of PEDs in 3 days. I tried as hard as I could with my mid level skilled and equipted (ul hl8+a106, 150 hp) avatar to complete the mission chain and get out of the prison. The answer is quite simple: it's not possible.
All I managed to do is to get to tier 3 of 4 in the mission chain. Then it got outright impossible. Basicaly there are three reasons:
a) it's fully PVP and the missions require you to kill people all the time. Oh and with full I mean FULL pvp. The trade and repair terminals, the corridors you have to pass and most importantly the mob spawns... everything is PVP.
Needless to say it is not only the ppl who complete missions who are your problem... there is also those who just like to kill players and do it there, just because they can.

b) There are melee mobs which inflict 60 dmg through my gremlin/boar+5b. You may say heh you got 150 hp now go kill em. Of course in theory that is possible but the problem starts when you have to kill hundreds which ofc also do criticals. Also all of these mobs are in a very small dense area so as you can imagine once some uber genius pulls out the rockets/grenades for herding you might just as well stop healing since it will only hurt you more.

c) The turnover required is just insane... the mobs as such are mostly somewhat low-mid lvl in hp with high regen. However the missions will ask you to kill thousands of them. Obviously you will not want to tt everything you get so if you do not have thousands of peds on your card you simply do not stand a chance. Additionaly there is no storage so eventually you will be extremely heavy or you will have to sell your loot for low prices to smuglers.

So at the end of the day if you do not own higher lvl gear than I do there is only one solution. There is exactly one way out of this prison. Get your hands on a TP chip II and aim it towards BAMF HQ. Then you are out of the revival zone of the prison and will revive in that LA. All other attempts of escape have been blocked with extremely generously placed killing volumes all arround and inside the prison.

To make matters worse NEVERDIE appeared inside the prison and told his fans to bring all the "haters" of RT into the prison so that they are trapped in it. Actually I don't hate RT as such but if anyone tells you to commit a crime there and then go to the prison. DON'T... no seriously just don't... you will regret it as soon as you notice what this place is all about. IF you really feel you have to experience to be held captive by someone trying to get your cash even though you would like to spend it elsewhere... then for gods sake remember to bring a Minor TP chip+ME because if you aren't at least semi "uber" you're f*cked without one.


Now this post is so far ofc a bit unbalanced soo to get to the positive aspects:
The missions have some highlits in them that you can spot if you actually read them. At times they can be a bit entertaining with some good prison humour. This kinda leads me to the next point because at SOME areas you can get a nice prison atmosphere out of it. However there are the usual design flaws which are common in NDS work. For instance when you place a light in a dark corridor then place that damn tick to make it illuminate objects arround it.
It's these small flaws which often ruin the as such good content created by NDS because seriously this way it's just damn hard to move your ava arround in the unintentional(!) darkness.
Ugh getting negative again... so another good experience from my prison trip sure is that I learned to apprechiate the actions of those people more who aren't assholes. I think this is because NDS managed to create a tense prison environment. Unfortunately a lot of potential is wasted in that aspect by small design flaws like... no wait enough is enough. I hope you've got the spirit that there are some positive aspects about it but that it can be a bit hard to find them at times because they have been hidden carefully behind a lot of bullshit.


PS: If you think the bullshit is over once you TPed out of it. Well no it is not. NDS has assured that you will return to their latest creation with a quite simple and popular technique: Pop Ups.
If you did't finish the mission chain and left the prison with a TP chip you will from now on get Pop Up windows turn up on your screen every few minutes to remind you to return to prison and report to a police man. He will then order you to kill additional 250 mobs and continue with your missions afterwards. One thing is certain... I will NOT do that in the [near] future.
 
XeroX2 said:
I hope you've got the spirit that there are some positive aspects about it but that it can be a bit hard to find them at times because they have been hidden carefully behind a lot of bullshit.
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bad visuals coming to mind here since it is a prison after all. Surprised someone has not looted a bar of soap yet.
 
John_connor said:
So basically you made a thread about what you see as an issue on another planet that you have not been to or not likely to go to? So why the post?

Is this issue affecting you? No
Is this issue affecting someone you know (They would have posted) No
Are you just a Forum Troll? Yes

The people in NWO prison are indeed "stuck" but you can still get out if you really wanted to (A simple TP to BAMF HQ and you revive there) so all you are doing is trying to create another shit flinging match. You have the honour of being the 2nd person on this forum I have ever gave a -rep to purly because you created a thread with the intention to start another them/vs war.

Person who are really stuck in the prison have asked in chat and been offered help to escape immediately.
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Thanks for the -rep John. Clearly you didn't read all my posts, or you just read the parts you wanted to read. This was not an attempt to start a flame war. Yes, I DID have a reason to post as I said multiple times in my posts, I was trying to help a soc mate get out. It did appear that he was trapped in there, and in fact he was trapped until he borrowed a minor tp chip as this seems to be the only way out other than completing the mission sequence. He had initially tried tp'ing out using the level I chip that he had on him, but that didn't get him out of range, so he just was penalized with additional mission requirement and sent back to the prison. Imagine my surprise that he was reluctant to try the level II chip before exhausting all other options. No one, in either this forum or the RT forum had posted that teleporting out using level II could be done successfully (from the state in which he was in, not as visitor, etc). For all we knew, it too would fail and he would just be in an even worse situation. Not to mention the mission warnings NOT to use TP chip.

I am glad that my soc mate was able to get out of the prison. And I am also glad that there is in fact no mission sequence that can't be bypassed in some way to allow a person to leave the planet if they want. Although, unless you carry or can borrow a level II teleport chip, then there still seems to be no other option. "Abandoning" the mission is not possible using the Mission Log features due to the nature of the sequence.

As I also said in one of my posts, I do like the creativity that is involved in this mission sequence, and it is really good to see what kind of potential the mission system has besides simple kill XXX mobs. But there are features in this particular implementation which still seem annoying, as in the constant pop up messages that my soc mate now faces if he chooses to stay on RT. Fortunately for him, that isn't the case, and I know he won't be spending too much time on RT after his experience there.

Sorry if my reply wasn't fast enough to your repeated flames, but I work two jobs and have a soc to run, so don't spend all my time "trolling" as you seem to think.

You seem to be happy over on RT, and that's great for you. Wish you well over there. You won't receive -rep from me, despite your attempts to turn this into the flame thread you appear to think it was. Nor was it ever an Anit-RT thread if you will actually read my posts and pay attention to what I said. My main concern was that it appeared that people could be trapped on a planet without a way to get off if they wanted to. I stand by my conviction that an implementation of this sort should be against the Planet Partner agreement, and am glad that it was not in fact the case here. Although, even this implementation seem at best "border-line", as it requires an player to carry a particular piece of equipment to bypass the mission which many players don't own. Why couldn't a bypass via the teleporter that exists in the complex be implemented if you are going to allow it via a level II chip? At least then there are no specific equipment requirements to do so. And they could include whatever messages are appropriate to let the player know they are bypassing the mission and will not be completing it successfully? Seems simple enough and could have avoided all this drama....just my 2 cents worth.

-Mack
 
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It's kind of unfortunate that a few people have found out the hard way that these are seriously difficult missions. But now that it has been figured out, I don't think that it's that big of a deal. They are extremely difficult missions aimed at higher level players. No one died, no one got permanently stuck. We can all move on.

I'm curious if anyone has approached this as a team endeavor? Wouldn't that make it more realistic?
 
The first five convicts to successfully ESCAPE No Way Out via the EPIC and extremely difficult Escape Quest will earn their very own private deeded jail cell in solitary confinement.
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As posted on the front page :cool:

I think you guys need to realize you all underestimated the warnings which were all there. All things considered it could have been allot harder still :laugh:
 
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Time to initiate project nanny universe again.
 
XeroX2 said:
To make matters worse NEVERDIE appeared inside the prison and told his fans to bring all the "haters" of RT into the prison so that they are trapped in it.

...held captive by someone trying to get your cash even though you would like to spend it elsewhere...
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Nice detailed post XeroX, the above info seems to sum it up nicely.
 
John_connor said:
So basically you made a thread about what you see as an issue on another planet that you have not been to or not likely to go to? So why the post?

Is this issue affecting you? No
Is this issue affecting someone you know (They would have posted) No
Are you just a Forum Troll? Yes

The people in NWO prison are indeed "stuck" but you can still get out if you really wanted to (A simple TP to BAMF HQ and you revive there) so all you are doing is trying to create another shit flinging match. You have the honour of being the 2nd person on this forum I have ever gave a -rep to purly because you created a thread with the intention to start another them/vs war.

Person who are really stuck in the prison have asked in chat and been offered help to escape immediately.
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Ya know John.... seems like people are just trying to figure it out. As a moderator for the other totally USELESS forum..... you'd think you would have some tact and just try to be helpful and answer the questions!!!!!! :wise:

With your attitude and behavior here, it's no wonder the other forum sucks!!! How many ppl have went there FIRST looking for this information??? MANY!!! So.. take the time to do something USEFUL there instead of flaming on the ppl here!!!!!

Now my attempt to help a bit even though it's not much:
What I know so far as I was STUPID enough to go to RT and think that I could do some new missions:
I went to the prison area... wasn't convicted... could talk to the people there but not see them due to radar being fuzzy. Was on the 4th floor, never did make it to the tp there. I did try to go down a level and was returned to 4th floor. Tried to talk to an inmate, was killed. Used Minor tp to get out and have not been back.

A friend that had started the mission said he'd left the prison by using a minor tp chip but that now every time he tp's someplace he gets some kind of prison message to report to someone. (No biggy for him and he's glad he's out for now) Seems a lesser tp chip won't let you tp far enough to get out.

I was told about another mission and to get a lock pick then go to some buildign in Tangerine to use it. Was told to start at mission broker outside at noobs noobs noobs club house. It's Kerrah's or something or other tp. Don't remember, sorry. Well, you go there.. and there are a TON of noob mobs attacking you!! I had a CONSTANT 1.0 damage to my jag armor and it decayed GREATLY! They follow you inside the club and there's NO WAY to talk to the mission broker without having a ton of them on you!!!!!!!!!!!! So warning!

Well, I talked to him but he didn't give me a mission. I have no idea what I did or didn't do yet to not get it. Since the OTHER DAMN FORUM has NO information about ANYTHING REALLY!!! Not even a MISSION section.. (so stupid!!!)
There might be information there someplace if you use a search function and find the ONE thread that had SOME mission info. I talked to another friend that didn't get it either but did get the ton of decay!!

So John, get the HECK off EF and go to YOUR forum and take the TIME there to HELP people and POST what you know in a logical place!! Lot of ppl have left RT due to it and just don't want to deal with it all. Don't complain here at the people trying to figure things out! There's NO excuse for that forum not being ready before RT 2.0 and NDS has only hurt themselves by not having it all done in advance!

So.. drive thru!!!
 
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Hey Casay,

Thanks for the info on what you experienced. I think you now have "Smuggler's Status" as you visited the prison without being "incarcerated" from doing the pre-missions first. It looks like in the release notes, that Smuggler's Status can't be cleared until server reset or some such, and until that happens you can't do the other missions to get incarcerated....or that's how I understand it anyway.

Good luck ;)
 
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