How long do you think MA will survive?
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They'll just reorganize AGAIN...
Put on your conspiracy hats if you want...
Part of the writing on the wall almost says the whole SDS thing was really just one big re-organization that may well have been done on purpose, at least by some of those involved...
Wall Street ain't got nothing on insider trading related to EU. That's one reason shares are technically not suppossed to be held by folks in the US according to an old statement by MA... but that never stopped em from letting some in the US get shares anyways.
http://www.mindark.com/press/press-releases/documents/mindark_prospekt_en.pdf
Put on your conspiracy hats if you want...
Part of the writing on the wall almost says the whole SDS thing was really just one big re-organization that may well have been done on purpose, at least by some of those involved...
Wall Street ain't got nothing on insider trading related to EU. That's one reason shares are technically not suppossed to be held by folks in the US according to an old statement by MA... but that never stopped em from letting some in the US get shares anyways.
http://www.mindark.com/press/press-releases/documents/mindark_prospekt_en.pdf
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Its been a few months since there has been a thread questioning the continued existance of EU. For this fact alone, I think EU is doing better and has a longer life ahead of it than it did 6 months ago.
They have been doing plenty to keep us interested in recent updates and I believe even brought back some older players. I think it is harder to completly abandon EU than other games, since you are not required to keep up a monthly deposit. In other games, you decide to quit and stop your monthly deposit, then you lose everything you character had in items and skills, so your less likely to return since you have to start over from scratch. In EU, you can stop depositing and either leave everything with your character of sell of some % of what you have and cash out, then all you have to do is log in every now and then to keep your character. This returning to keep your avatar results in you learning about recent updates which might spur your interest to deposit and play the game again.
Even when people sell everything their avatar has, they get sucked back in. How many have said I've made a huge mistake by selling off my skills?(another one sucked back into EU, that didn't think they would be when they left).
They have been doing plenty to keep us interested in recent updates and I believe even brought back some older players. I think it is harder to completly abandon EU than other games, since you are not required to keep up a monthly deposit. In other games, you decide to quit and stop your monthly deposit, then you lose everything you character had in items and skills, so your less likely to return since you have to start over from scratch. In EU, you can stop depositing and either leave everything with your character of sell of some % of what you have and cash out, then all you have to do is log in every now and then to keep your character. This returning to keep your avatar results in you learning about recent updates which might spur your interest to deposit and play the game again.
Even when people sell everything their avatar has, they get sucked back in. How many have said I've made a huge mistake by selling off my skills?(another one sucked back into EU, that didn't think they would be when they left).
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Yep. Been there, done that. I still hate myself a little. If I had a whip I would physically assault myself and then turn myself over to the law enforcement.
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Mastermesh, if you can't resist to post your half-cooked conspiracy theories (actually you are crossing over to defamation way to often) then at least do us the favor and do some basic research on the topic.
I really enjoy a good conspiracy theory but if you post the same uneducated nonsense again and again it just makes you look stupid (and i am sure you ain't).
Using statements that are factually wrong ('technically not suppossed to be held by folks in the US') to sneak in comments like 'Wall Street ain't got nothing on insider trading related to EU.' is just very very bad style.
Please invest two minutes to research about the law your are talking about and it's exemptions before you abuse the fact that an US company holds some MA shares to support your wild claims again. Again, because it is not the first time you doing it like this.
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read the pdf...
That is a document Mindark itself created. Elsewhere online is a list of the folks that owned shares about a year after that, and at least two of them on the list were 'domiciled there.'
If my take on it is 'factually wrong' no one at Mindark has said so yet, even when I ASKED MINDARK on Entropia Forum about this issue.
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I don't see any dark prospects for MA, many RL countries have much greater chances to collapse than EU. Discontents may grow but most are hooked too tight to not just swallow and carry on ("to adapt", they call it). Am I happy with everything I see in EU? Not close. Do I see myself in EU ten years from now? Definitely.
Also I agree that EU is getting better lately. Given a choice I'd still prefer EU'2006, but EU'2011 is much better than 2010 and way much better than 2009.
Also I agree that EU is getting better lately. Given a choice I'd still prefer EU'2006, but EU'2011 is much better than 2010 and way much better than 2009.
We don't admit it's a casino because we prefer to see ourselves (and, more importantly, be seen) as entrepreneurs, not gamblers. But in fact, it's the casino nature of EU that secures it's future. People always will gamble. Rome fell, Sparta fell, but people still play dice like thousands years ago.
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To make it short: If a non US company goes public and doesn't want to go through the hassle to register with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (because share sales are not focused at the US market anyway) they often include those passages in the prospectus. It then means they won't sale the shares in the US public.
A share not registered for public sale with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission can however still be sold to US citizens and institutions due to several exceptions.
Happy to PM you with more details if you want. However, i am by no means an expert but a two minute internet research would have led you to the same conclusion. So there is nothing shady with one or two US companies holding some MA shares.
There is no issue in the first place. I don't think it is MindArks job to pay someone to answer your questions about internal matters that you could have solved with two minutes internet research.
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I cant copy that. In some aspects it is very similiar to a casino. Example: Crafting lvl2 amps 24/7 is not only for gathering blueprints, it's for the HoF and maybe for the ATH - that will sonner or later come again on lvl2 amps.
Don't have to explain much on this theory, everyone knows. So crafting machines are slot machines. and only a few crafters craft to craft items thay really sell after. Most lvl2 amps crafted go directly to TT because they have a shitty MU.
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Exceptions to rules happen way too often when Mindark is involved.... If they are going to make 'exceptions' to rules like that they need to document why those exceptions happen and when they happen and why, and if the knowledge of those 'exceptions' is in the public, hit the questions head on and answer them with the truth and transparency.
Otherwise it will always lead to the belief that there is something going on similar to insider trading, etc. Staying silent on matters like this, especially when you specificially create a public place where people can ask questions and encourage them to ask questions there, doesn't increase customer confidence and trust in the company... It creates distrust and the belief that they are covering up something.... the complete opposite of what they should be doing if they want to start advertising more heavily in the near future.
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Same with a casino.
They provide an entertainment service. You can choose how you want to interact.
You can enjoy the casino for free. Just walking around and chatting to people.
You can buy stuff via the shops.
You can play the games of chance. You can play them according to some theory of return or you can play haphazard. You can play using small amounts of money or large amounts. You can play one type of game and then later try another type of game.
If you are successful at the game the casino provides you feedback via lights and sounds.
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So you made several post on several forums over months about something you think is shady when it is in fact a common and legal situation and you used this to support your conspiracy claims and defamations.
You could have avoided your mistake by simply investing some minutes on research and once you get pointed to it all you come up is this gibberish, once again lacking any and all facts?
Those exceptions are part of the rule / law (exemptions in the Securities Act of 1933). Nothing special to MindArk.
So this is very on topic in this thread: people like you who are obsessed with posting tons of unfounded accusations, slander, conspiracy theories and defamations, of course always without providing any facts, damage the future of this game way more then any shortcoming MindArk might have in developing it.
Edit: Ok, so you edited your post and i add one more reply:
You still don't get it? MindArk did not make an expection to an rule in this case. The US law does! So if that worries you so much (two US companies holding some MindArk shares) then take it up with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
Why should MindArk answer to you about completely regular non-game-related business topics? Especially considering that you have the habit of twisting anything MindArk every communicates into an new conspiracy theory anyway.
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ahhh... Lights and sounds....I agree, but I have never seen someone sell their winnings for a mark-up to other casino guests, or earn skills they can sell for $. So, although similar, there are differences.
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I believe if the game keeps adapting and remains adaptable to the times as years pass, the PP's devotion to creating awesome experiences, more PP's coming in to compete with current PP's etc. It could last indefinitely just like any business in the world. They slip up bad get massive lawsuit or try to scheme, they loose PP investment interests, etc. they go down just like any business in the real world. It is all up to the company itself and currently I see them struggling and trying to succeed and they will pull through I believe and once they do they just have to remember the hard times and not want to ever go back and play future movements/improvements with smarter approaches and better planning.
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Perhaps, but Mindark's refusal to respond to simple little questions on the ASK Mindark threads sure make those conspiracy theories grow and develop over time... '
That in turn creates more doubts about the company, and so more conspiracy theories start developing over time...
Thus, Mindark lets what should be mole hills grow in to Mountains that are taller than the ones near Athena Space Port simply because they don't want to take the time to answer questions that participants and/or the general public might have. That in turn hurts them badly because it creates a large amount of distrust by the general public.
How many questions in the Ask Mindark section of EF have gone unanswered? How many questions in various Q&A sessions over the years have gone unanswered? How many promises have various Mindark employees from the past (mainly Marco, but some others too) made in public which still have not resulted in the the promises being made true?...
Why the hell are booths being added over in Nymphtown after the owner of the main estate over there has been hobnobbing with MA through emails while the promise to add more shops to Omegaton from 2007 still has not been done, and the estate broker still owns a hell of a lot of shops that still has never been released to the public through the auction yet? Same with the Athena and PA redesigns... and lots of other junk like that... they keep adding more crap that no one, or a relative minority has asked for while not trying to address the promises they have already made, sometimes years ago. Stuff like that is THE PROBLEM.
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Agreed mastermesh, but on the other hand it would need half a public relation department and an lawyer to counter all the nonsense you alone posted over the time on several forums. And thats something i in example would not like to see depositers money get spent on. So maybe MA does good in simply ignoring stuff like that.
I think you have a ton of justified critical posts on this forums about things like bugged estates and stuff. Can't you just focus on those and stop making up things like you did in your post #43?
Accusing a company of insider trading is not a light matter, don't you feel at least somewhat responsible to provide some facts to support your claims? Or does 'freedom of speech' cover defamation in your opinion?
I am the last one who would pick on you for bringing up critical topics, but what you do is claiming things that you simply made up / have no evidence for.
Edit: Please stop editing your post 15 minutes long after publishing them to bring in a ton of other no related stuff to distract from the issue.
Yes, yes, might all be, i don't know much about estates and those issues.
But what has any this have to do with you accusing MindArk of insider trading and violating the Securities Act of 1933? Are you goin to apology to MindArk for that post by the way?
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I've played since 2006, oh actually this month is my 6th year PE (now EU) birthday.
and I've seen Calypso fall down, then raise as EU and IMO now we actually fighting our way uphill, not downslope. I think EU wuth the availability to change and adapt has the right skills to live for ever.
The question is if you got the same?
and I've seen Calypso fall down, then raise as EU and IMO now we actually fighting our way uphill, not downslope. I think EU wuth the availability to change and adapt has the right skills to live for ever. The question is if you got the same?
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It has nothing to do with it, and tbh most of Mastermesh's accusations are complete crap. What's funny too is if you look at the original thread of my interaction with MindArk, Mastermesh was all about putting pressure on them to talk to me.
Now that a conversation between MA and a customer has actually borne some fruit, though he knows nothing of how, why, and under what circumstances, he wants to complain that it actually happened.
Seems he's more into harassing MA than actually wanting them to be productive.
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I agree with mastermesh on his opinions to a point.
MA as being the current owners of Calypso and the center of the game itself should hire a very active PR person to handle and provide quick responses to all the players playing, at least really good support for support cases, I actually stopped even sending support cases in because I am 100% sure I am directed to the DELETED mail folder. I see other planets do great support via forum and I just don't understand why MA itself does not. Even a crappy answer to a question is better then no answer at all and would still make a player more happy about the situation then they were when they asked the question. It would also deter stupid rumors and redirect conspiracy advocates away from trying to use "see no response it must be true" as a front line defense. I am not a advocate but I sometimes see their point and seriously contemplate if it is actually true because they are correct they do not deny anything at all.
MA as being the current owners of Calypso and the center of the game itself should hire a very active PR person to handle and provide quick responses to all the players playing, at least really good support for support cases, I actually stopped even sending support cases in because I am 100% sure I am directed to the DELETED mail folder. I see other planets do great support via forum and I just don't understand why MA itself does not. Even a crappy answer to a question is better then no answer at all and would still make a player more happy about the situation then they were when they asked the question. It would also deter stupid rumors and redirect conspiracy advocates away from trying to use "see no response it must be true" as a front line defense. I am not a advocate but I sometimes see their point and seriously contemplate if it is actually true because they are correct they do not deny anything at all.
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Valid concerns about the quality of communication is one thing, doesn't justify flat out defamation like in post #43 though.
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Once upon a time, Entropia was a project, and had only one continent - Eudoria. Over the years, another continent Amethera, a space station, an asteroid and further islands were added to Calypso.
Then more planets were added, Rocktropia, Next Island, Arkadia.
Then playable space was put in between them.
I dont think Entropia or Mindark are in any way declining.
Then more planets were added, Rocktropia, Next Island, Arkadia.
Then playable space was put in between them.
I dont think Entropia or Mindark are in any way declining.
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And they just collected 3 million dollars in 2 months time (half of the landdeeds have apparently already sold)
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And those do not include transactions outside the auction for very large orders. I'm sure those have taken place.
Put me down for MA being sustainable in the next few years Or decade
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not at all.
I'm actually glad they listened to you, just like I'm glad they listened to me a long time ago when I complained about the turrets and tezla issue over at Omegaton and finally put in the turret next to the tp. I think we are actually on the same side here, well sort of.
What I'm not happy about is that they made promises a long time ago and have ignored those promises (look to the 2007 q&a)... Why create new booths when there's old booths and shops that still don't have owners? Why create new places like Medusa when a remake all over the place to clean up the huge mess vu 10 caused with it's gigantic mountains, etc. Why by a whole new motorcycle instead of just trying to fix the spokes on the old one? No need to keep adding new stuff if you are going to ignore the old stuff.
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max 2 years unless a rebalance happens... anytime a game can cost someone 100k$ in a year... the amount of people playing or who can afford to play will dry up... and quickly...
REBALANCE LOOT... make less 20-50% returns (which is the majority of my returns lately)
if they fix loot... like it has been the last 7-8 years (where you could pay the game for a long period of time for a few 100$) then i think we can last many more years to come...
but hunting eco can cost a few 100$ in a few hours....
like i said before a few 100$ could last you days/weeks...
FIX the loot!
REBALANCE LOOT... make less 20-50% returns (which is the majority of my returns lately)
if they fix loot... like it has been the last 7-8 years (where you could pay the game for a long period of time for a few 100$) then i think we can last many more years to come...
but hunting eco can cost a few 100$ in a few hours....
like i said before a few 100$ could last you days/weeks...
FIX the loot!
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Some things are easier to develop than others. Also in business things get reprioritized all the time, and business strategies change. Being upset over things on a wish list from 5 years ago seems less than productive.
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Entropia Universe will be around for decades but i see it being under new management.I would like to see a company like Sony take it over.I do think theres a very good possibility a company like Apple would see this platform as a viable addition to Apple/Internet television.I once thought Microsft would be interested but theyve missed the boat on so many things the last decade ive lost hope for them.But sooner than later consoles will be able to run Entropia and i see it being a good investment for a large companys platform of entertainment.Once Entropia is no longer in Beta.
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Any of those big global companies would have shut down the servers for good on several occasions already. Look at the project history of all those companies, if something doesn't take off rather fast it gets abandoned.
You can say about MindArk management what you want but a rather small company is the only way i see how such a project could have survived all those years and how it will survive for many more.
As a player i don't like the planet partner concept because it ruins the homogeneity of the experience but i think it is the best way to keep the platform provider small and let other (also rather small) companies manage what MindArk is not good at, or rather, does not care to be good at.
I trust an compound of small companies way more with the future developement of EU then any big global player.
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