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Question: Unreasonable return since last VU

Well I´ll wait to see that Kim have to say when he has looked at the loot system.
Until then.. no spending...


Ps: I also got a lot of those 0.0 ped ammo...
Something is broken..:scratch2:
 
zpeeder said:
Well I´ll wait to see that Kim have to say when he has looked at the loot system.
Until then.. no spending...


Ps: I also got a lot of those 0.0 ped ammo...
Something is broken..:scratch2:
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I'm not sure if Kim has access to see how the loot system actually works... what is it with people complaining with these "low" ammo drops, i spent 2k+ peds on one run there, got 800 peds loot, from which 350 peds were ammo only (and not even explosives).
I'd rather take oils than 40% of the loot as plain TT food.
 
FallenAngel said:
often this is true at higher levels too, only when you go on a 700 ped ammo hunt you can end up with a few 100 ped decay on your amp and gun and then only needing to pay for decay takes on a new meaning. :)
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But I also forgot to add that I did stop hunting on Calypso since the loot was bad all around, Arkadia's loot seems a bit better with the lower level mobs.

Edit: I even got a few soc mates who hunt larger mobs to come over since they were having big problems with their loot and I wanted to try and get them to feel better about the game all around.

Kim my have said they didn't change anything this update, and that may have been true. The problem is the loot on Calypso seems to have gone down a few VUs ago..so Kim..when did you change the loot pool on the mobs on Calypso and please update us on that issue and not by VUs.
 
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Cail said:
I'm not sure if Kim has access to see how the loot system actually works...
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As a planet partner, no - as Jan-Welters offspring, i think so, yes...
 
oh well since my mining data was not good enough for the hunting thread ^^ i migh aswell bitch here about it :)

TT cost 45023,5 loot back = 24638,04 = 54,72% return TT wise and i was running around with mostly lvl5 but some 7 and 8 amps depending of the Mu of them.. at that time my target was ores/enmats mu 150-170+%

ofc after that i sold my impfap and my ul cb26 cuz its BS..

something happend after last MM........ before i was always 80-90% depending on how much spent

where the F is my shit? :p
 
Same experience for me, loot is a fuckin bullshit since VU. They will soon claim it was a bug, but all that you lost will be in ma's pocket. They are very very quick to fix bugs when they may lose 1 pec of it, a lot less in hurry when they are making money on this so called 'bug'. already happened before. The 0 pec ammo stacks should be lot lot more
 
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Based on the way the thread has developed, I should make it clear that my 99+% 2K looting instance run was in crafting, and may not reflect a bug in the hunting system.
 
TheOneOmega said:
Based on the way the thread has developed, I should make it clear that my 99+% 2K looting instance run was in crafting, and may not reflect a bug in the hunting system.
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Yeah, mining wasn't affected too.
 
Kim|Calypso said:
We haven't made any changes to the actual loot system in this VU. What we have started doing is re-designing the loot lists so that each mob should drop less generic TT-food and more interesting stuff. This process is in no way finished and will continue in the upcoming VU:s as well.
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So you release something that is not finished and make us pay for its shortcomings? Better hire some more dev's then from all that money you made this week, so you can implement changes in one piece. Any roadmap you could share? My credit card wants to know in which year you intend to finish this "improved loot".
 
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zpeeder said:
Well I´ll wait to see that Kim have to say when he has looked at the loot system.
Until then.. no spending...


Ps: I also got a lot of those 0.0 ped ammo...
Something is broken..:scratch2:
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I believe something is broken too...BUT Kim/MA will never admit it. IF they fix it...it will happen without anyone knowing.

Can you imagine the shitstorm if they admitted loot was bugged this entire week?
 
i agree with the threadstarter . My loot with laserguns isnt best too mosly60 % return . mining where half way ok longer .
what i d seen, hunt where only efective with the new nanochips.
That 00.00 ammo in loot is that part we miss all . I think it was before like 20-30% of loot what we miss now from nonglobals .
I hold my feets still & depo only small amounts i m done with that 100 usd blame @ 1 day :D
No single global done in ca 1 k ammo last few days .
 
Whoa All I am going to say is... This is PArt of the game you gotta LOSE to Win

.....



And you can Win ......
 
BBpunisher said:
I believe something is broken too...BUT Kim/MA will never admit it. IF they fix it...it will happen without anyone knowing.

Can you imagine the shitstorm if they admitted loot was bugged this entire week?
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maybe in a couple of years we will all be reminiscing about the great loot compensation of 2012 :p
there is nothing stopping MA admitting it if it is true and compensating people.

it would cost them nothing.
from a pr perspective it can generate good will, admitting a problem and fixing it show competence and confidence.
 
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
 
Thanks for the check & feedback. My tt return of the month is still 88% - will see which way it goes, usually was higher though. Very difficult to break even with the new items coming slowly, as MU still has to settle. Interesting times.
Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.
I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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So, and why we all (most of us) get that bad loot after that VU... some thing must be wrong!
 
trance said:
So, and why we all (most of us) get that bad loot after that VU... some thing must be wrong!
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Some might be having bad loot periods, while others might simply percieve they are recieving worse loot because they are used to seeing larger ammo stacks? :dunno:
 
I bought gun and new finder, crafted some things, killed others and didn't got my usual global from Feffs so my PED card is close to 0 and it feels like loot sux more then usual.
But when I logged my crafting return while crafting Generic Leather Texture and crafting Basic Filters the return looks normal.
May be I have to track the hunting and mining return after the new VU to be sure.
 
Nighthawk said:
Some might be having bad loot periods, while others might simply percieve they are recieving worse loot because they are used to seeing larger ammo stacks? :dunno:
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One word: 45%-50% hunt payback, and I'm not the only one get that!

From now on, every time i get that, i log out and go play other games! That's the reality !
 
Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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Is there some sort of run in? We have used the term loot pool for it and were always questioning if it needs to be filled up before higher loot can drop.

If the loot list got modified then it might be possible that loot pool got emptied and has to be refilled.
 
Nighthawk said:
Some might be having bad loot periods, while others might simply percieve they are recieving worse loot because they are used to seeing larger ammo stacks? :dunno:
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50% tt returns is more than a bad loot period it's bloody serious and if it continues will stop many from playing. In the first 24 hours after the VU I was doing runs with 800 ped tt ammo to return afterwards with 400 ped tt total loot which included zero items or markup over 102%. Then on top of that add repairs to guns, faps, armour and that's a lot of money lost.

I think you'll find quite a few who are commenting about the losses are long time seasoned and experienced players who don't just guess what loot they have by looking at the size of an ammo stack but who actually keep records or their runs.

Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.
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I wouldn't have expected you to say anything else.
 
Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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Kim,

if every single hunter noticed a Huge change into the loot received, i believe there have been a change.
Maybe you guyz havent planed it and its totaly unexpected, but something really happened. U should check twice because there have been a very signifiant change.90 to 60% return for 90% of players cant be no change
 
:popcorn: this is awesome
 
Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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Thank you for reply, but you can only talk about the changes that are intended or expected. It would not be the first time when a change has happened in game and no one knows why is there. Is called a bug... and since only you know how loot should be, no one can report such a bug except for you, and you don't play to care. You get payed not to care and keep us dizzy.

Having such a huge variance on loot - if is not a bug - in my book is a form of stealing. You basically took few hundred bucks out of his pedcard. Considering his skills and gear, this should have never happened. Variance should be a lot lower in order for EU not to be called gambling or to have good reasons not to report it as fraud.

At least I know not to log back in game for a long while and wait for more encouraging community feedback.
 
I don't supposed the stacks of ammo are supposed be valued in pec?

i.e. 20 ammo cells is supposed to be worth 20pec and not 0.2pec just like they used to be.

on low level mobs it won't hurt as much but the mistake could lead to some of the results people are having on the bigger mobs.
 
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Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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Kim|Calypso, with all due respect, but that response is pure semantics and doesn't adress the concern expressed here. Whether you consider the basic setup and the list to be separate entities (as you seem to do) or as one big black box (which it is for us) is irrelevant. You have stated that the droplist has been changed. To me, that is a change to the system, but my opinion here is about as irrelevant as the answer you gave above.

The concern raised here is that the stuff appearing in the loot windows has changed, and that this change is perceived as not being positive.

Instead of nit-picking on words, it might be a good idea to read beyond that, and adress the actual worries which are communicated to you.
 
Kim|Calypso said:
I can confirm that no changes have been made to the loot system, intended or otherwise, in the latest VU.

I also have some information regarding the 0.0 ammo loots that you've been receiving. That ammo does in fact come from an additional loot-list layer that was added on top of the regular loots to fill up the last few pecs that sometimes remain to be added after higher value items have been added to the loot.
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Either you are not being accurate, or we have found ONE fault right here. You say that the additional loot-list layer is to cover the last few pecs, and yet it is always below 1 pec, right down to just 1 ammo, which is 1/100th.

Now although this intended change maybe affect loots by less than 1 pec each in theory, and possibly only positively, the system HAS been changed AND there seem to be negative consequences, whether intentional or not!
 
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helena said:
Same experience for me, loot is a fuckin bullshit since VU. They will soon claim it was a bug, but all that you lost will be in ma's pocket. They are very very quick to fix bugs when they may lose 1 pec of it, a lot less in hurry when they are making money on this so called 'bug'. already happened before. The 0 pec ammo stacks should be lot lot more
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But if MA calling it a bug, it means that they benefit from the bug and getting money of it...


I thought there were rules for that kind of act --> written by MA.:scratch2:
 
30-60% return in a run seems very normal to me, in fact is my usual return for years already.

if loss is equal to 30 - 60% return and win is equal to 125-140% return, then the dynamics of my avatar would be something like:

"lose - lose - lose - lose - win - lose - lose - lose - lose - win - lose - lose - lose - lose -lose - lose... "
what is equal to 0 ped in my ped card and press the deposit button again <- in a fast way.

I'm the typical avatar on which people can´t believe that is going so bad whatever I do and surely I have to be doing something wrong :)

this is what I take to be inactive for almost two years now, I connect occasionally I try something for a few days with my remaining ped, I see that the thing stays the same or worse and step back to inactivity.

The day of the last update received the classic inactivity mail- warning , which actually was nothing more than a claim for make me look the client with the new "super-story" about the improvement of the loot -_- (Only been 2 or 3 months since my last loging not try to fool me MA)

Gone are the days, and I see that the general feeling of the community is being tricked and not only didn´t improve loot but it got worse, which does not surprise me, that's why I did not believe a single word and I will not fall in the classic trap of this company.

God help those who still keep playing, every day less and more screwed :umn: <- dairy cows ready for milking
 
I only cycled about 4 or 5k ped hunting since this VU. Anyway, in that small sample size I had some bad runs, some good ones (doing about 300-600ped runs). Cant complain about that.
 
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