abuse by pirate using summonfucntion

[Drachenherz]

If you don't have all of the space lootable pvp, the whole point is lost, because we in that case would be able to travel between the planets without risk. Yes, many would probably vote the space would be none lootable pvp, because they don't understand the long term benefits that MA want to achieve with this. I believe all of the planet partners more or less also agree with MA on this.

"Long term benefits"...

To lure more criminals in here... This is really an interresting argument

You know, i wont support this. I reduced my activity to some events on calypso. When i play, i play hardcore hunting turning 70 USD per hour. I bought 100 clds and a nice gun, i can play my lifetime this way.
I never will support forced robbery if in real life or in game. And if MA and their planet partners are smart they will soon realize that this is the wrong way.

 

[OZtwo]

If you don't have all of the space lootable pvp, the whole point is lost, because we in that case would be able to travel between the planets without risk. Yes, many would probably vote the space would be none lootable pvp, because they don't understand the long term benefits that MA want to achieve with this. I believe all of the planet partners more or less also agree with MA on this.

Still you miss the point here. There are other ways MA could have done space without making it a future legal issue out of this since again we are dealing with a RCE here. Space at the end could be pvp non-lootable if MA would make space larger. And yes, to make space 'larger' would simply mean to make all vehicles travel slower.

1. I loot someone in space
2. I withdraw
3. I was robbed in RL and the money I made in EU was stolen.
4. It goes to court and the robber tells the judge that I made the money in EU and if I hadn't made that money, I wouldn't have been robbed.
5. The Judge rules that the robber be release without any action taken and gets to keep the money.

This fast run down seem odd? Yes? well, this is what most are describing here as being OK that MA has lootable pvp areas in a RCE.

 

[jellyfish]

You are looking at this "problem" the wrong way!

A common byproduct of "risk", especially in communities facing a undesirable definite obstacle, is unity, etc, all the good stuff.

Here is another little factoid for you......

On average, you are more likely to get looted by MA than by Pirates !!!!

You want to disagree ?

Since i profit, hell yeah i disagree! If you gamble and lose your money that is NOT the same thing as you getting robbed!

Mindark does not steal. People do dumb things then blame it on mindark. Mindark DO however endorse and promote REAL theft.

It's not the insignificant losses that the pirates take from me, they mostly get well deserved dung, its the fact that mindark have breed a-holes that attempt to mug me that is ticking me off. Its not the shooting me down part or taking their righteous dung, but the fact that those a-holes just shot me down in hopes to steal from me... they can shoot me down all they want. Cheap skills for me ^^ extra fun to tick some super-noobs off, like ernestj and his alt taxi goldy goblin. He said he was teaching me a lesson by shooting me down 7 times in a row, but i was laughing my ass off all the time, while he wasted money and gave me cheap skills ^^ ernestj is now trying to sell his ms dreadnaugh for a hillarious 240k peds.. pirates arent only despicable, they are amazingly stupid

Ok i think i shouls stop talking now, booze is really kicking in now ^^

Anyway, mindarks policy on what shitty things people should do to eachothers are a big reason i am selling off everything. The nice profit mindark are always giving me does not justify their desire to create criminals

 

[SoReal]

Not True, open your space map and click the icon "view homes" and you see all the ships you are on the gl for

Edit: and hover your mouse over the little H to see the name of the vessel and look for: XXXII

Edit2: can also open up the locations list and see all ships you are on GL for, little arrow on the left border of the map UI where TPs are listed usually

The vessels in my list is NOT I repeat is NOT involved in anyway​

Oh cool I didnt know that feature existed , thank you

 

[Dusk]

As an *absolute* minimum, MindArk could move the summonse box from the centre of the screen to a corner. As someone who has dabbled with computer code, I would expect this to require the alteration of a single line of code; an "x" and a "y" co-ordinate. And that is all it would take.

If they did nothing else, they could do this to make accidental clicking less likely.

 

[Vedder]

As an *absolute* minimum, MindArk could move the summonse box from the centre of the screen to a corner. As someone who has dabbled with computer code, I would expect this to require the alteration of a single line of code; an "x" and a "y" co-ordinate. And that is all it would take.

If they did nothing else, they could do this to make accidental clicking less likely.

Agree. They could a lot of things. Even safer if they added a confirm popup. ("Are you sure?")
Or many other solutions.

And they will improve it. Eventually.
But it requires a new client, which means a new update.
So not until monday. And probably later than that too.

 

[trance]

Agree. They could a lot of things. Even safer if they added a confirm popup. ("Are you sure?")
Or many other solutions.

And they will improve it. Eventually.
But it requires a new client, which means a new update.
So not until monday. And probably later than that too.

A temp ban would be faster and it would show us, that we can trust MA!

 

[billairboy]

"Long term benefits"...

To lure more criminals in here... This is really an interresting argument

You know, i wont support this. I reduced my activity to some events on calypso. When i play, i play hardcore hunting turning 70 USD per hour. I bought 100 clds and a nice gun, i can play my lifetime this way.
I never will support forced robbery if in real life or in game. And if MA and their planet partners are smart they will soon realize that this is the wrong way.

It's "not forced robbery":

1. You know the rules when you enter the space, no one force you to do it, it's your own free choice to do it or not.
2. It's your choice to take lootable stackables into space or not.

 

[Farmer Smurf]

the best thing EVER would be if mindark ASKED their customers if they want the god damn space to be lootable.

i dont get it why mindark are so hellbent on making players steal from eachothers... and then even promote it.. it's sickening.

i don't care how hard mindark tries to legalize theft, theft will Always be theft

I don't understand it either, and frankly I am past the point of allowing my money to support what appears to be a evil company who lacks morals and has no desire to protect their customers.

but the other side of the coin is.....
without pvp the whole space travel market has just been popped, if theres no pvp then we'd all be flying everywhere in quads loaded with stackables and there would be no need for any organised space travel.

so yeah, theres more aspects to this than just "damn pirates"

Actually I think thats a bit narrow sighted, one community friendly way would be for MA to simply limit ALL loot in space to be carried on a mothership... try to fly a quad with stackables you get a msg saying your overweight and can not leave the atmosphere....the only reason to use PVP to enforce loot transport, is to allow the opportunity for one person to steal from another person.

As long as this is the attitude of MA (not giving a flying f.) I am gonna give EU break.

I am actually glad to see so many saying things like this, gives me a bit of faith back in the average moral direction of our community (humanity), its a shame a few bad apples (both MA developers, and the thieves they created) can so easily ruin the game we play, but at the end of the day its MA's world they can trash it however they desire. However as long as we support it with our deposits, we endorse their actions and inaction and continue the cycle.

The point and benefit with a lootable PVP is to make it more difficult to transport resources and stackable items from one planet to an other. This the help make it more easier for each planet to create their own economy and create more opportunities for new players to finder their place in the universe. It's also creates opportunities for those who like taking some risk to benefit from it, if you take the risk to trade between the planets you can find opportunities to earn some peds.

If you don't have all of the space lootable pvp, the whole point is lost, because we in that case would be able to travel between the planets without risk.

There are a MANY ways to control loot transport, with out resorting to deception, violence, and theft..Sure you can maybe make some peds transporting though space, but with MS warps running as cheap as 0-10ped, its not enough of a deterrent to stop your average trader...and yet its enough of a hassle, that many wont even bother though there may be profit...so imo the end result is LESS travel and trading on other planets, think I am wrong? how long have we have had lootable space? has it increased any planets auction size or number of local traders? or do people generally take everything back to calypso still? and or stay on calypso?...is lootable space really helping those other planets? by making people stay out of space? No it might help calypso owners though!
certainly helps the thieves, created them a playground, and then filled it with US people who don't want to be killed and robbed..and then have the nerve to tell us "its a game"...your right and we DON'T HAVE TO PLAY, we certainly do not have to deposit knowing those funds will help build more ways for us to be harassed and robbed.

On average, you are more likely to get looted by MA than by Pirates !!!!
You want to disagree ?

No I totally agree, I think MA employes are quite possibly the actual pirates that are looting, and even if they are not..MA did in fact create this environment for the single purpose that pirates can steal our loot. so every time someone gets looted for anything, its directly Mind Arks fault, not just the pirate that got sucked into playing this new twisted game of players hurting players.. (who ever thought players trying to rob other players was good for this community? some one with a seriously twisted moral fiber)

"Long term benefits"... To lure more criminals in here... This is really an interresting argument

You know, i wont support this. I reduced my activity to some events on calypso. When i play, i play hardcore hunting turning 70 USD per hour. I bought 100 clds and a nice gun, i can play my lifetime this way.
I never will support forced robbery if in real life or in game. And if MA and their planet partners are smart they will soon realize that this is the wrong way.

Maybe space is this way on purpose to run players off? maybe its part of a bankrupt cycle? or effort to run off some of the big traders who maybe profit and withdraw? maybe its an effort to increase skill chips and equipment for sale on the market, for these mystical new players, people seem to think are going to flood into the game any day.

It's not the insignificant losses that the pirates take from me, they mostly get well deserved dung,

its the fact that mindark have breed a-holes that attempt to mug me that is ticking me off. Its not the shooting me down part or taking their righteous dung, but the fact that those a-holes just shot me down in hopes to steal from me...

Anyway, mindarks policy on what shitty things people should do to eachothers are a big reason i am selling off everything. The nice profit mindark are always giving me does not justify their desire to create criminals

^^ is exactly my point, how can the company we have been dumping money into hand over fist for many years, the company that says "we are struggling help us buy these CLD's" (and then gets 6million in short time from us the community that loves the game).......how can that same company, on purpose design a system of play, that feeds us to thieves, killers, scammers, and sharks. Seriously its one thing for MA not to "assist" us in this world they created (fair play)...its quite another for them to on purpose turn us against each other, and allow us to be robbed. Would be like the casino allowing muggings at the tables. Its just bad business to treat your customers so harshly as to force feed them into a system where they can be robbed. One would expect better treatment and "support" from a company that desires our deposits.

But it is what it is, and I am through with it. Waiting on my first withdraw now, will strip skills next month I guess.

 

[jupiajo]

Or just get rid of stupid summons all the way.

TP to space station, and step in vehicle, where you are on guest list - simple as that.

 

[aridash]

It's "not forced robbery":

1. You know the rules when you enter the space, no one force you to do it, it's your own free choice to do it or not.
2. It's your choice to take lootable stackables into space or not.

ah, thats fine then, theres no problem here at all? no one has accidently gone into space after mis-clicking an unsolicited invitation?

seems an awful lot of pages of debate for such a non-issue though.

theres two issues. one the unsolicited summons, which is in retrospect an exploit waiting to happen (the focus on the position is valid but overstated). two, MA's abject failure to respond to the matter. everyone should be deeply concerned by the second even if they dont think the first matters.

 

[billairboy]

ah, thats fine then, theres no problem here at all? no one has accidently gone into space after mis-clicking an unsolicited invitation?

seems an awful lot of pages of debate for such a non-issue though.

We where discussion the pvp space in principle, not this case, as I have pointed out is a case that is an separate issue to be dealt with, because no one should end up in pvp space by an easy mistake like this summoning business.

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There are a MANY ways to control loot transport, with out resorting to deception, violence, and theft..Sure you can maybe make some peds transporting though space, but with MS warps running as cheap as 0-10ped, its not enough of a deterrent to stop your average trader...and yet its enough of a hassle, that many wont even bother though there may be profit...so imo the end result is LESS travel and trading on other planets, think I am wrong? how long have we have had lootable space? has it increased any planets auction size or number of local traders? or do people generally take everything back to calypso still? and or stay on calypso?...is lootable space really helping those other planets? by making people stay out of space? No it might help calypso owners though!
certainly helps the thieves, created them a playground, and then filled it with US people who don't want to be killed and robbed..and then have the nerve to tell us "its a game"...your right and we DON'T HAVE TO PLAY, we certainly do not have to deposit knowing those funds will help build more ways for us to be harassed and robbed.

It's not only about "filling the auction houses", it about diving up the universe in seperate markets. Let's say we had teleporters that we could use to directly save and free jump between all planets. In this case a crafter can easy jump from planet to planet and fill up each auction house with his/her goods. So, the veteran old "uber" crafters could easily dominated the market on each planet in the whole universe. New players on the new planets would have little chance to compete against them. Yes, players can with the system today still go between planets and sell the goods, but it's much harder for them to control all the markets compared too if they could do instant safe travels.

Even if it in the short term creates lack of supplies on new planets, in the long run this is better because it makes it harder for a few avatars to dominated all of the universe. Same thing goes for hunting events and similar events. Yes, they can go between planets today, but at least it a bit harder for them to do so.

 

[Farmer Smurf]

Even if it in the short term creates lack of supplies on new planets, in the long run this is better because it makes it harder for a few avatars to dominated all of the universe. Same thing goes for hunting events and similar events. Yes, they can go between planets today, but at least it a bit harder for them to do so.

I think you miss the side affect of, people just choose not to go to the other planets as much, and new people leave as soon as possible to join the "planet that has all the people". How long has pvp space been around? (If it was such a positive thing, you would think we would be seeing positive affects by now) but population on other planets just keep decreasing. (with perhaps the exception of arkadia who gives the impression of running things better than MA does), but even they are still struggling to get players, seems the other planets have simply given up. and who can blame them with such a trade embargo in place, one that even discourages casual travel to their planet(s).

 

[MindStar9]

I disagree 100%. ...

You make some valid points, but I was specifically speaking of an official statement from MA with SOMEthing about their position and that they are looking into this, but we've had total silence. Communication is key, and the longer they remain silent, the worse this is going to get. I wasn't asking them to give specific details as to what they intend to do, I know that they have to do some investigation, but an "official" statement by MA as a business that we support with real money is just plain required business protocol and something this community absolutely deserves.

You raise good points in your post. However, there has not even been any real confirmation to the public that MA is examining the situation, which really isn't good to restore confidence. What hurt would it do if they came public saying: "We are aware of the situation, and this is indeed not how we intended the summoning to be used. We are currently examining the cases and will come to a decision soon" (or something like that).

I also agree 100% with Wollongong's post as well ... it wouldn't hurt MA to make SOME kind of contact with this community in an official capacity to at least give some sense of assurance that things are being looked into. His example of a simple statement would have sufficed, but it seems they can't even do that, which continues to make matters worse, and more and more people mistrusting the security of our virtual environment and whether MA really cares about how serious this is.

Also ... if no one is reimbursed or compensated in some way for their loss as a result of this blatant exploit, then I fear an even larger repercussion. I have NO clue why MA wants to continually put themselves into a position that garners them bad press that only adds to the already rocky reputation it has. I can't even fathom that they don't seem to realize how much they're losing on this, or what the potential loss may end up being, but then the results of all space activity goes to MA because they're the developers, not the PPs, so (speculation here) their motives may be a little bit different than expected.

I understand what Space PvP Lootable is, and feel it adds dimension to the game, but what I don't understand is why systems like this in an RCE aren't developed with a great more thought behind it before releasing, and the security of the EU player base given more consideration and priority.

Everything else I have to say will be included in my "2013 EU State of Mind" that I've written for the past 5 years - it will be published soon.

I hope MA sorts this out amicably, and that whatever the decisions are, the community is happy with it.

 

[jetsina]

...
theres two issues. one the unsolicited summons, which is in retrospect an exploit waiting to happen (the focus on the position is valid but overstated). two, MA's abject failure to respond to the matter. everyone should be deeply concerned by the second even if they dont think the first matters.

..and the two together give food to the thought that at least part of the first issue is intentional, making it hard to respond to as a consequence.

Fictional thought process:
Following this line of thought, then the MA solution would be to move the summons box to a corner as some have suggested.... and then BAM - the next raid will be timed to coincide with summons from a transport ship, will overlay on the first summon and catch people all over again.....
Then no repsonse from MA again - all just the next stage of the battle between 'them' and 'us' - except you cannot quite be sure about the 'them'... finding ways all over to get peds through 'mistakes' 'we' are making...

I am finding solice in some of the positive ethical stands made by some people here though. The problem is - leave, and quite simply... you have left. I've seen companies affected by it, even whole professions over the last 30 years. I was hoping virtual worlds might be a place in which this type of 'evolution' could be prevented by the honest, decent and intelligent members involved... but maybe I am wrong.

My thoughts lead me to conclude that there is most likely an agenda by some or even the majority of 'forces', and that this is not the last slice or chapter in their plans. It becomes a growing theory that none of the flaws have been fixed because it was necessary for them to be in place...
This is not an accusation, merely an assessment of likelihoods. At some point, plain stupidity isn't enough to get you far enough into the plot. It would follow that how far we make them make changes is only how much of a step back we make them take along their road - they will move forward again relentlessly in due course. Am I wrong..., am I?

edit - additional: I very much like some people in this universe who have investments here, whether it be an MS or more, right up to investments in new and coming content. I would very much like them to be able to be successful and with full peace of mind. Plain stupidity would be my preferred cause of all of this - it is also said by some to be curable...

 

[dar hammer dei]

Although much respect farmer smurf. I disagree arkadia and rocktropia have come very far in the last 3 months. Rock is much more active even during migration then when I started playing. There even seem to be a few odd ducks falling in love with cyrene.

Have fun

 

[Joat]

The order for summons should be (imo):

1. Pilot sends out a summonrequest.

2. Passenger gets a message that says what ship, and owner, that has granted him/her
access to the ship, passenger press "OK". (In this message there should be a option for
more info how to use this system).
Passenger is now ready to use the system, and this first step could be limited in time,
lets say 15min, or it could be unlimited in time, whatever MA see fit best.
The summon should be cancelled if ship leaves spacestation.
When a summon is sent pilot can't send a new one until current is cancelled.

3. To activate the summon the passenger have to open up the map, and open up Space.
In the list of ships, passenger have to rightclick at specific ship and approve the summon
from a menu. A new message pops up, and after this the passenger will be moved to the ship
when he/she press "OK".
Depending on how much MA want to spend in amount of time, and more importent,
amount of code, this UI could be optioned to be seperated from map, via a hotkey.

Backgrounds in the list of ships could also indicate what status the ship has, ordinary blue
just shows a ship among other that you are on the guestlist.
Green could show a ship that is active to be summoned to.
Red background could be for ships that you have disabled summons to, and a ship in
this status can't send you a summonrequest.
Instead of backgrounds, any type of indicator could be used.

Might not be perfect but some improvements at least. Imo.

 

[Barbylicious]

I disagree 100%. I don't think you appreciate the situation MA are in. By making an early public statement their options would become more limited. Whilst by not making any public statement they still leave themselves room to approach it from all angles i.e.

* Consult lawyers on the strength of the case of considering these people as harassment, exploiters, abusers etc. For example by flooding people with summon calls that could be considered as harassment but they would need to have legal strength of this checked first. It's wiser to check that that out first than make any rash comments. Similarly the fact that they rely on people making a mistake by clicking on accept (which can easily be done if you are hunting and clicking on middle of screen) could again be checked with their lawyers on the strength of this case for abuse. Since there are many considerations pros, and cons that need to be considered. Again no point in making any rash announcements.

* If it is deemed MA do have a strong legal case I'm pretty sure these people will be banned

* Also if no official announcement has been made they still have the option of talking/dealing with this unofficially behind the scenes. For example with the mothership that was once scammed whilst MA made no official announcement they did however handle it fairly well unofficially and the scammed ship was returned.

* etc



Essentially an official announcement in such situations can be counter productive. Whilst the method and stance adopted by MA may not be popular for the masses I do believe it's proper and right to handle the situation the best possible way they can even if that means the majority of the people will find it unpopular. At the end of the day it's not about popularity it's about doing the right thing.

Actually if they had made an early announcement it would be a sign MA have also gone down the bullshit route that a certain PP adopts i.e. tell the people what they want to hear regardless of whats right and wrong and call it communication skills. Whilst that may win you popularity it is totally abhorrent because it sacrifices justice in preference of cheap popularity points.

So interpreting silence for don't care is incorrect because it shows they care far more than you may realise...

THe point is this, a simple post by a representative of MA on the forums saying ANYTHING would be a start. not hearing ANYTHING other than support case quotes is not making anyone feel any better about this situation. MA simply needs to make an immediate public statement on these forums acknowledging this issue and letting us know that it is AT LEAST being lookied at or into!!!!!!

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

Its not the shooting me down part or taking their righteous dung, but the fact that those a-holes just shot me down in hopes to steal from me...

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from a movie..."The problem with someone fucking with you isn't whether they are right or wrong, the problem is that they are fucking with you."

 

[Yoshii]

Well said Sunsout

And that is exactly what happened.
And not wanting to be fools again some of us are voting our feelings with our wallets. (no fixie no depo)

 

[Strangelove]

I disagree 100%. I don't think you appreciate the situation MA are in. By making an early public statement their options would become more limited. Whilst by not making any public statement they still leave themselves room to approach it from all angles i.e.

So interpreting silence for don't care is incorrect because it shows they care far more than you may realise...

100% wrong. Only a lawyer would think like this way of thinking. "Preserving their options" while speculation runs rampant is violating rule #1 of any public relations crisis.

MA needs to get ahead of the game. It's a crisis because the community thinks it's a crisis.

Knowing that your stackables are 100% at risk at all times is not comforting, regardless of whether the system is working as designed or not.

Smart companies get ahead of the game (no pun intended) and reassure the public, stupid companies allow speculation to run rampant while they consult the lawyers.

CO

 

[Few Scars]

And that is exactly what happened.
And not wanting to be fools again some of us are voting our feelings with our wallets. (no fixie no depo)

Unfortunately MA know that the top 20 hunters who keep this game afloat by depositing the loot pool each week will never stop depositing and thus MA do not care about public relations. I find it amazing that they don't employ a public relations manager or an economist. Guess they want to be 2nd best to EVE always, how sad.

 

[Kitch]

Sorry Ace, I think you give MA far too much credit.
MA ban who they want, when they want. They always have. They write the rule book we all agree to when we log in. I would guess the only problem they are having is, if they ban these bird brains for exploiting, how do they justify not giving people compensation??

i agree with everything u say,
i think they are just on leave execpt some tech support guys. They could easily make a neutral statement to the effect of "we are looking into it"

 

[melander]

i agree with everything u say,
i think they are just on leave execpt some tech support guys. They could easily make a neutral statement to the effect of "we are looking into it"

This is what i don't get, is there actually people doubting that MA is looking into it? why would we need a statement stating the obvious

Its a shitty situation but as for public relations i think you guys are vastly overestimating what an impact this has on the wider player base.

Best regards
Zweshi

 

[Kitch]

Although much respect farmer smurf. I disagree arkadia and rocktropia have come very far in the last 3 months. Rock is much more active even during migration then when I started playing. There even seem to be a few odd ducks falling in love with cyrene.

Have fun

yeah I agree, its slow and they still seem to be struggling tho. Cyrene has a niche sci fi cult following imo ^_^

 

[Vedder]

Agree. They could a lot of things. Even safer if they added a confirm popup. ("Are you sure?")
Or many other solutions.

And they will improve it. Eventually.
But it requires a new client, which means a new update.
So not until monday. And probably later than that too.

A temp ban would be faster and it would show us, that we can trust MA!

Agree. And it will come. They have to be thorough.
All these 50 pages of arguments, and discussions about consequences, shows it's not that simply, and they need to get it right the first time.

I still agree that they're too slow. They've always been. But I'm still sure the outcome will be bans, some kind of fix for the problem and generally no reimbursements.

 

[Kitch]

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Also, present situation excluded, your definately not 'Forced' into lootable pvp with your stackables. Thats an absurd over sensationalization. You obviously have a choice if you want to travel, or run the risk of hunting in space.

Also that MA are the pirates? wow

And i would assume the space pvp concept was originally designed with the PP's in mind and making the game attractive - whether it worked or not is another question.

I somehow doubt the intention was for them to secretly have pirate ava's or turn us against eachother in a bid to derive some perverse pleasure at the sinister nature of human kind...

I favour incompetence rather than malice when it comes to ma

 

[Lorthis]

I disagree 100%... they care far more than you may realise...

Going through such awesome and ridiculous lengths and long post just to defend Mindark in this case just shows that Mindark care far less than you realise.

 

[Drachenherz]

A mini protest.

Also, present situation excluded, your definately not 'Forced' into lootable pvp with your stackables. Thats an absurd over sensationalization. You obviously have a choice if you want to travel, or run the risk of hunting in space.

Also that MA are the pirates? wow

And i would assume the space pvp concept was originally designed with the PP's in mind and making the game attractive - whether it worked or not is another question.

I somehow doubt the intention was for them to secretly have pirate ava's or turn us against eachother in a bid to derive some perverse pleasure at the sinister nature of human kind...

I favour incompetence rather than malice when it comes to ma

Yes you are FORCED into lootable pvp if you want to go to other planets. I decided not to do so less playing less income thqats simple isnt it. And once again its a crime may it be robbery or theft. I dont want to be robbed in real life - why the hell shall i support such criminal behavior here. I want to have "fun" and not be forced to deal with criminals of all kind. There are alreadsy enough cheaters, scammers etc. in here i have to deal with. But obviously MA is thinking they need more of this dirt. Well you see the outcome in this special case here. They use all kind of exploits to make somme money no matter how.

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF SUCH A COMMUNITY ?

And if you say yes now i tell you to go write a petitition to your government to legalize robbery and theft. Is this the world you want to life in ? This is not like WOW or many others games where you pay a monthly fee, this is real money and to all who support this, i wish you being forced in real life with such criminal behaviour.
In games people show who they really are. This was proven in many psycological studies. MA openend Pandoras Box and this was a huge mistake. It brings out the worst of many.

And no matter what the eula says, if such a case ever comes to court MA will lose, cause you cannot elliminate fundamental penal or civilian law basics such as robbery and theft.
And i am sure they will handle this case in the right way, if not i would not have deposited that much.

 

[skunkjunk]

This is what i don't get, is there actually people doubting that MA is looking into it? why would we need a statement stating the obvious

Its a shitty situation but as for public relations i think you guys are vastly overestimating what an impact this has on the wider player base.

Best regards
Zweshi

indeed the one thinking MAnot looking in to things, really???????? They just not gonna commend on every wimp of the cso called community here on pfc. And i for one am very pleassed they dont. ommiting recources to holding hands of the forum would be a really bad move.

The one thinking they they hearth of the community and claim to speak for or represend a part or big part (Mostly same wankers that bin complaining for years about any random crap (you fuckers dont work or this is what you do at work instead of youre job?).

Stop speaking for others.
Stop claiming you know what MA thinks or does outside the facts and events that accually happen.
Stop pretending you know what you talking about if you really dont like the once posting all the i am losing big and its MA's fault.

To all the new players and maybe some older once, dont believe shit on this forum unless its onfirmed by MA or a PP.

Dont believe those old retarded stuborn fucks who never adapted never changed there way and just complaning about every fuck up they make in the game.
Dont lissen to the so called ïnvestors "who over payed a big item and seeing value drop (they risked it nobody forced them , no garantees ever bin given).


Ps,
The Op of post has a more then valid point and in no way i trying to undermine his claim. This commend is more to all the reatrds flooding this post with wild speculations).