Abducted in Cyrene and looted in apsce

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i support botters it was so usual in ultima online and am a old timer who have very flexible thinking !
 
in OP there is a note on F injection
the point of thread is " a player willingly interfering with another player gameplay with the aim to steal money happened"
BE WARNED, yo can be the next.
as i said i opened a ticket because i feel that taking people on a vehicle without consent with the aim to produce damage for a benefit is wrong,.
we can discuss of macro and such in another thread.

my next post will be the answer from support. again, RCE and LOOTABLE are not compatible.
peace. GN all
 
i feel that taking people on a vehicle without consent with the aim to produce damage for a benefit is wrong,.
RCE and LOOTABLE are not compatible.
night night marco.
i am sorry for your loss, i really am.

this is where ppl have their own opinions on this matter, based on their own subjective.
i feel that taking people on a vehicle without consent with the aim to produce damage for a benefit is part of this game.
RCE and LOOTABLE are perfect fit because you can harm other people effectively.

Do all men kill things they do not love ?
Hates any man the thing he would not kill ?
-from Merchant of Venice
 
The general consensus from other threads like this is: if you choose to macro while afk, you expose yourself to risk. Bonnie and Vizz did point out some helpful things to reduce or mitigate that risk.
It's a shitty thing for the pirate to do, but you allowed yourself to be taken to lootable space and got looted. Consent was given was it not? Can't enter his quad without saying yes, your mouse said yes, acting on your behalf, from the settings that you use, whether mouse function or macro, you delegate your decision making to auto-yes.
Sucks that it happened. Will be interested to see what support has to say.
 
I say this as someone who doesn't use any automation in-game, but regardless of people's opinions on whether macroing should be allowed or not, MA did make it clear that in-mouse or keyboard macros are ok, (but 3rd party separate software is not). They also said that the kind of pirating that went on here by "tricking" an avatar into space is a violation of the ToU. Msturlese was definitely not in the wrong here from that perspective.

Say what you will about personal opinions about what automation through macros, etc. does to the game, but that does need to be differentiated from what went on here even if you think the rules should change.
 
MA will say that you are responsible for monitoring your gameplay if you are using a macro.
 
how could he have been tricked, if he wasent even at the pc :D
There has been cases where people got kidnapped and was there and jsut did not know how to exit seat or that they where in danger until it was too late.
Mainly cause if you look at the UI it's not clear how to "Exit seat" and once your in space that option no longer works and only way to exit seat is Alt+F4.
There has also been cases where people was there but just wanted to record what whent down.
 
I agree both should situations should be dealt with. Surely MA can sort out punishments.

¤ One player is not interfering with others gameplay and fueling economy.. appears to be running macro, if MA determines his actions are unjust they can deal with that as one situation

¤ Another player blatantly interfering with gameplay and possibly abusing mechanics


Two situations, not supporting either but I do agree they should be dealt with. Make some examples for people to follow MA.
 
It would be so simple for them to add an option in gameplay options "don't interact with others vehicle". Or require confirmation from both passengers on quad when entering space or require confirmation by you to be added on someone guess list.

They have "only interact with locked target" so if you next target then F it will never target a vehicle.
The only way is to put mouse in on UI element.

Now with our declining playerbase every time stuff like this happens there is a chance to lose another player simply for MAs neglect. Which player benefits MA more?
The one who cycle or these vultures who use tactics which shouldn't be used in this manner just to steal from others?
To those who engage in this activity it just show your greed and lack of care for the game as a whole. I wonder how many new players and old quit over this.

This being said you got careless and should know that this is a risk and taken more precautions. If you had set a timer on your phone 30s before instance ends when you enter it. You would've known to get your lazy ass of the couch and stop your macro.
 
There has been cases where people got kidnapped and was there and jsut did not know how to exit seat or that they where in danger until it was too late.
Mainly cause if you look at the UI it's not clear how to "Exit seat" and once your in space that option no longer works and only way to exit seat is Alt+F4.
There has also been cases where people was there but just wanted to record what whent down.
he never claimed he didnt know how to exit or that he got invited under false promise into the vehicle, he clearly stated, his F autopressing made the avatar enter the vehicle, the only trickster here is his computer, maybe the computer was conspiring with the pirates ? we should investigate
 
Ffff Yeah !
The person, who blame botters in the half of his posts - been looted in space bec of his "automation of the gameplay while being out of the screen"
You made my day !

Your mouse robbed you. Blame the mouse.
 
he never claimed he didnt know how to exit or that he got invited under false promise into the vehicle, he clearly stated, his F autopressing made the avatar enter the vehicle, the only trickster here is his computer, maybe the computer was conspiring with the pirates ? we should investigate
If you bothered to read you should have seen that i pointed out that the mechanic with how it works is broken since there has been more than a few cases where people where at their computers and got kidnapped and how to get out of someones quad once it's airborn is something you need to learn and not right there as an button on your screen.
And it's also not obvious how to exit a quad when your in space... Alt+F4 is not an obvious option unless you have serverhopped in the past.
Putting "Exit seat" action on your hotbar is not an obvious thing either unless you got taught that's what you need to do and everyone crying about macros claiming they are bots... how hard do you think "Exit seat" is to put in a macro and how hard do you think telling a bot to use that if the area changed or the elevation changed it's time to log out or spam exit seat?
So the only people you can catch with these kind of tactics are the people that do NOT bot... but everyone just loves to proove how uneducated they are when it comes to bots vs macros.
Cause reading the title of the client is so hard for a bot to do...
 
The Great Space Heist of 2025!
Afk macroing aside (naughty boy :whip:), going to lootble absolutely has to be by choice, not forced.
So definitely shady, definitely an exploit, definitely theft.
#PatchItNow ! @Socrates|Mindark @Dennis|MindArk
 
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the avatar appears inside the hangar after the instance- apparently an invitation has arrived
 
Personally, I think that it should be Mindark's responsibility to punish botting behaviors and create active gameplay that doesn't warrant spamming F.

I believe there's still an issue where it's possible for people to add players to vehicle guest lists without their permission, also probably creature control pills could have been in use here also.

Either way, I'll make sure this gets re-raised to MA, at the very least all these threads just end up souring the community more.
 
Ffff Yeah !
The person, who blame botters in the half of his posts - been looted in space bec of his "automation of the gameplay while being out of the screen"
You made my day !

Your mouse robbed you. Blame the mouse.
i never blamed anyone man.
i support even IDLE huntign and clearly stated in every post of mine that high cycle can not be human because it is IMPOSSIBLE to kill 10.000 or 50.000 mobs manyally without loosing brain.
i clearly stated in ALL post that every hour of a nanoblade user or a bp130 user is 50 ped for MA and leading to 50*24*365/10 = 43.800 USD in activity tax and that is the wage of an average employee
and that we need 50 24/7 hunters to sustain the game so please dont mistake me for someone else

moreover if i get any restoration for MA i will pass them to SSI to buy sweat because i dont care of PED
i care of BURGLARS that EXPLOIT a system and steal money.
in real life they would be prosecuted here are the "dark heroes". Fair enough

it is all fun and games until one gets a scam in trade, a bad price in AH applied as an error, a TT of an EP4 BP and such.
remember not to use double standards for players interfering and produce damage, "all trades are final" for everyone,
let's add "all Harassment is allowed". best practice to attract new players.....
 
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Sounds hard but yeah kind of deserved for boting
If he broke rules MA have to charge him, not other players. Your words like you deserves been killed from criminals for broking the road laws ..
 
Is it works? i have been invited into vehicle similar way when not afk and cant leave till i relog
Some people exit the vehicle using F same as to enter.. but for that to work you have to be on the ground or very close. If you use the Exit Vehicle action button you will eject out of the seat no matter how high you are. I used to use it all the time when landing on Arkadia instead of waiting for the vehicle to slow land.

And if anyone wants to see how this can happen.. can click on my EU youtube link below.
 
If he broke rules MA have to charge him, not other players. Your words like you deserves been killed from criminals for broking the road laws ..
i dont think i did but they will see.

1. i am not in PVP zone
2. i am not in lootable PVP zone
that means i dont want to be in PVP3 or PVP4 (for whatever reason that is not concern of anyone i refuse PVP, i am here to kill monsters not humans).

if i am forced to do something i dont want to it is an offense.
again i dont care of PED i care of violation of what was my will

and yes, i accept the joke of the mouse did iit

my BP70 is the devil's right hand :)

 
the way i like to play my games, is not being present and not having to to think about the game at all, the game should play itself, it is just too boring and annoying to be interacting with the game, and anybody that ever takes advantage of me not being present, they are the problem, becouse they FORCE me to pay attention, this is no diffrent then being ra*ed
 
All i see here is another small blackhole that will suck TRUST from certain players, if this repeating problematics is left unattended by MA. (and i bet some of em players are huge revenue sources for MA, especially if they "hunt while they sleep" since thats more decay for MA. If those players wont feel safe doing so, they just will not)

Did he macro ? i dont know, if MA prooves yes, be it a fine of 500 peds for doing so. But i dont think someone deserves to be murdered and robbed of everything in his invenotry thats "not nailed down".

Its not that hard to prevent this stuff happening with a little bit of programming/fixing the game on MA side.

Just my humble opinion
 
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that you are expected to be in control of your avatar at all times.

Unfortunately, running "auto press F" programs / scripts or w/e you wanna call it, tends to come with other problems than just being able to hunt and ruin MU in the game overall, since you can be shooting 24/7.



honestly - at some point, you must have clicked accept or enter vehicle. They can not make you do this. Sucks to lose the peds and items, i agree with that.

It could have been prevented.


Not everyone out there is your friend and will have your back. As long as there is lootable PvP - expect to be pulled into it. It will only save you time and money if you keep this mindset.
 
I was curious why some spawned thier vehicle right in front of me a few weeks back while i was hunting. Now i know why and will be sure to get names next time. Ty for the post
 
Damn man sorry, that a big loss there.

It's really bad that things like this happen and it's a big shame MA does not take action faster on cases like this that divide the community so hard...

Both things are bad for the game and I really hope Cyrene, knowing that this is happening EVERY Imperium Offensive event, will consider making the instance as active gameplay, so players have to go through a maze, open doors, round around, reach a checkpoint etc. That would be amazing for players and the juices MU.

🤞
 
Personally, I think that it should be Mindark's responsibility to punish botting behaviors and create active gameplay that doesn't warrant spamming F.

I believe there's still an issue where it's possible for people to add players to vehicle guest lists without their permission, also probably creature control pills could have been in use here also.

Either way, I'll make sure this gets re-raised to MA, at the very least all these threads just end up souring the community more.
A simple and quick solution for this is to put the request in to Message Center so we have to open that up first before we
agree or disagree.
 
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