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Are we being robbed by MA/FPC? Or is it just me?

No, we're not being robbed (if we don't play too stupid).

The game is based on ups and downs.
When your skill increases - the downs become deeper and the ups become higher.
So when one compares his current loot with the loot from previous periods he should expect the difference.
It doesn't matter if you play in the same style and with the same equipment as "before". The game is dynamic - you'll lose more and then you'll win more. No rational reason for frustration. It's just in your mind, because you're thinking about the game mechanics as something static, with set rates of loss/profit. But it's not. When your avatar developes - so does the loot curve. I wouldn't call that a "robbery".

If you can't take the heat - slow down. My worst period by far was 2 months+. Then the situation slowly improved and all of a sudden - blam, 3k loot. You just need to adjust your loot expectations. The loot is 90-95% long term and that's a proven fact. And long term means long. The higher level your avatar is - the longer you have to struggle with bad loots. Then you hit big and, oh joy, the sunshine is bright again. :D
 
I stopped depositing for a while as many of my friends(some already cashed out, sold skills and so on...), and I'll never do it again if MA does not wake up, this return rate is ridiculous.
I'm getting bored to complain, it seems none is listening.
I'm not willing to participate in MA events because every time I do I lose double as I do normally, If this is the deal them please say it LOUD, I will rather give the money in advance and I won't fell robbed every run.

As other already said: WE don't play this game because of graphics, so please stop spending OUR money on something we don't want to, you can do it later when player base can sustain that.

I saw many players that got extremely frustrated because losing a lot of money in short periods of time, many said that they'll do bad advertising on every site were EU is mentioned, I think a customers like this can cause more harm than 100 good ones can do good.

I saw that a lot of new players come in right now, and, sadly, this is not because MA/FPC advertising, but all this players will be gone if they are robed like this, even bad than that is that this new players will tell their friends about this bad experience they had with this game.
Please don't say bad advertising is also good, it won't cut it here, none want to try to see if he can loose as much as his friends , maybe bad advertising works to promote whores but to promote something were real money are involved we need good advertising.

Hope some bells are ringing, the Christmas is coming, some new so called "events" are about to start, if we continue like thins I would no be surprised to see that I get negative loot..
 
Yes! ............
 
Only a few people who are able to generate enough turnover and thus loot enough decent MU gear to sell are still happy.
The last couple of months loot seems to get worse and worse.

I did 5 molisk hunts with the same setup and ammo amount i used to do them with 2 years ago. Against the same mob maturity. (nowadays i have 220 HP en around 282k skills, pro level 85.x dmg and 84.x hit) No globals and approx 70% return. (total 2500 ped ammo with imp ep-21 + A105's) According to my old statistics even in my worst 5 hunts in a row 2 years ago i had 9 globals in that amount of ammo with return of 83%.

The loot has become way worse. I have given up on missions for now. I am doing some mining.
If things do not improve soon i stop depositing completely. That is at least $250 a month. With sometimes extra for events. I know a lot of people who used to deposit around this amount a month who have stopped playing.

MA/FPC wake up or loose your job!

Siam
 
RedThothCrowley said:
You can pay 1 USD an hour for low level hunting. As I said, if we play within our means, we are not being robbed. If you want to do the more expensive hunting when you do not have the money for it. you are robbing yourself. I don't hunt at a high level, and only occasionally a "mid" level and my finances to play the game work out just fine.

It is not robbery when you make a choice.
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It'S a damned video game. It should not cost 1$ to do the CHEAPEST activity within EU.
 
Teiwaz Storm said:
Time for me to break silence and say it loud.
Either my avatar have some special check-boxes ticked, so system recognize me as 'sponsor', or loot for everybody went so incredibly bad.

So is it just me being milking cow for MA/FPC or you have similar feelings/proofs?
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'Sponsor checkbox'! I know that feeling all to well :laugh:
Lucky me: my PC is wacky atm, save me both time & PEDs!

But - as always - we sorry sponsors can only hope for better loot in "the long run"...
 
Jennson said:
It'S a damned video game. It should not cost 1$ to do the CHEAPEST activity within EU.
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Go play WoW..

You can't have 10k $ with a single loot there but hey - you won't feel robbed at least.
Also, if you think that the CHEAPEST activity within EU cost 1$ - that means that you just don't know the game.

Ignorance is bliss they say. So true..
 
AL Killmore said:
Go play WoW..

You can't have 10k $ with a single loot there but hey - you won't feel robbed at least.
Also, if you think that the CHEAPEST activity within EU cost 1$ - that means that you just don't know the game.

Ignorance is bliss they say. So true..
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I think you miss read what Jenson probably means. He is saying cheap stuff not going to 1 usd in this game per hour to do. Jenson understands eu pretty well from the conversations I have had with him. No reason to diss on him so hard.
 
The return rate has been constantly going lower since vu 10. It is presumably paying for the development costs so far, since the system withheld a decent rate before this phase on account of maintenance costs only. It's time to stop paying for new designs and start thinking of what the hell is going on with the players feeding the advertisement hofs and ubers and the general tt return trends . I have started to believe in this last year that the MU of the loot itself started being taken into account by the system when awarding the loot. You will have to push further once having already lost too much, in order to loot the according tt of ESI just to break even. It's a suicidal behavior and I, for one, am not going to follow it. Hibernating mode on till "development implementation" stagnates ( well, maybe I'll start hunting small argos with m2a - I think that's how it's called :D ) .

PS: as for the OP ... Did you have a period during this year when you thought the return was awesome to unbelievably good ? Now it's payback time. It happens to almost everybody and you can't avoid it. You have to lay low - p5/p4 and go for something that always loots "even-ish". And the second case of the uber-to-come and you're paying in advance.
 
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I think you miss read what Jenson probably means...
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I think i understood quite well what he means.
I don't usually have problems with people whining. I do it from time to time myself.
Yet i don't allow bad cycles to spoil my gaming experience and to cloud my vision about the game mechanics.

Is the game expensive at high levels? Yes.
Is it robbery? No.
Is it absolutely free for new players if they do sweatgathering and stones collecting? Yes.

But of course you know that.
 
for me its alll because of the events. Ever since the event started my return on mining got screwed totaly.. Came vack with down to 25% returns as my record!

That happened constant in 2 weeks untill it said BANG and i got my first towe...

The same happened to me with the LT / Emon event. Was total rip off there aswell.

So just wait a bit since things will turn to normal sooner or later and im happy for u since i can imagine a damn nice hof for u is prepared.
 
Sorry to see how terrible the runs have been for you man... That is just pure BS, stop hunting, take a break, come back, if the loot is the same.... well... I would rather stop playing (which I have, mostly... I only play once in a while now when I feel like having fun.. Having fun is losing 1 hunt with a friend, not 10 in a row... :))
 
Robbed? No...
(you need a gun or force to commit robbery)

Cheated? Yes!
I wish I could have free capacity to sue them...
 
LeWolf86 said:
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Not everyone can win in this game..... thats the fact of life. The way the economy is setup somebody will have to take the risk with MA and the TT return. Miners can profit off MU, and sell to crafters, who can hopefully make a more valueable product and pocket the MU, but their product needs to be sold to hunters, and usually lower level hunters who hunt stuff that generally loots a lot of TT food... and then they sell that to crafters who use TT food to craft near useless products and take the risk with TT and MA.
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And why is it like that? Whats the diff. to Real Life?
Its that in RL people spend money on things which they actually don´t need and people try to get the "latest invention".
In EU? There is only the dead circle of Loot ->Craft->Sell->Hunt/Mine->Loot->Craft.... with the PED drain to MA.

Makeup? DEAD
Pets? DEAD
Housing and Decoration? DEAD
Coloring? allmost DEAD
Fashion? DEAD
Personal Content? DEAD
....
actually , ther is no Economy on EU, just REAL CASH - and that vaporates into MA´s pockes with as system called Entropy...
 
rhogenbe said:
Yes and their reserves will get a lot worse if the people who deposit stop depositing because they feel their value for money experience is not met.
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One year and one month so far for me. And I must say that I have very mixed feelings about it.
 
Well is something like almost 3 years for me now - and everyone is saying the same thing about loot so here is my 2pecs.

Habit costs me between $400-$500 US pm and return is now not much more than 50% - last 2 months not 1 global even on ranatrox mission which I have lost in last couple of weeks alone 3k ped in ammo alone, with "miss","failed" and "no loot" being the uber part of every hunt.. Has nothing to do with abilities as before vu10 was hunting them with lr48 and martial 5b and making quite reasonable return 80-90% with odd global and almost never a no loot message then.

The way MA|FPC treats the paying customers sucks - just think how your last support case was handled, if my last few are anything to go by. However it is all about choice! MA|FPC are in business to make money; and without any form of advertising or RL sponsorship the only way they make money is through the depositors.

Choice is simple - Pay and Play or Shutup and Go, not meaning any offence by it personally but waaay too many people complain about their losses recently when its their choice to commit money to a game. Even one person who was relatively new to game had idea that he should be compensated/gifted based on his depositing amount. Even in Casino's you have no guranteed return.

OFC no MA|FPC person will comment on this thread and eventually a mod or admin will close it but somewhere down the line MA|FPC will have to take notice, like everyone who plays - things other then their balance sheet need to improve, or last one out please turn off the lights.
 
Bear said:
And why is it like that? Whats the diff. to Real Life?
Its that in RL people spend money on things which they actually don´t need and people try to get the "latest invention".
In EU? There is only the dead circle of Loot ->Craft->Sell->Hunt/Mine->Loot->Craft.... with the PED drain to MA.

Makeup? DEAD
Pets? DEAD
Housing and Decoration? DEAD
Coloring? allmost DEAD
Fashion? DEAD
Personal Content? DEAD
....
actually , ther is no Economy on EU, just REAL CASH - and that vaporates into MA´s pockes with as system called Entropy...
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1 word - BEACONS ! oh how lovely todays new vu includes helicopters, gunships, and a new 3rd person view - why not any of the stuff they casually brushed under the carpet like mentioned above..
 
Some things just never change...

This thread is now 3 years old ... and it sounds as if I had written it yesterday...

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?84240-Open-Letter-to-MA-following-VU-9.0

I have stopped depositing big bucks a long time ago...

I have warned that this would happen a long time ago...

When people get fed up too much.. they shut up and leave...

MA don't understand that it's better to make 1 USD per Hour per player as this will make you play more and deposit more than to make 100 USD per hour on a few selected players... this has turned into a luxury game...
 
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AL Killmore said:
I think i understood quite well what he means.
I don't usually have problems with people whining. I do it from time to time myself.
Yet i don't allow bad cycles to spoil my gaming experience and to cloud my vision about the game mechanics.

Is the game expensive at high levels? Yes.
Is it robbery? No.
Is it absolutely free for new players if they do sweatgathering and stones collecting? Yes.

But of course you know that.
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Well yes i have the impression you indeed misunderstood me or more likely i expressed myself wrong. I will give it another try lol. When you go out with Kiwio hunting puny mobs your actual cost to play should be around --imagine a low number which isn'T proven but a gutfeeling --- maybe 10pec or something. But not anyone wants to play that way. In fact my personal believe is it should be below 1$ per hour maybe 1$ per hour for upper medium. But that's just my opinion.

Ah and on a sidenote. Nah no WoW, tried it for 10 minutes 2 years ago and left
 
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Just another one of "those threads".

Yet everyone downloads the VU/Content Updates, yet we all log back into game.

Why complain?

Stop logging in!
 
Same shit every November. Every event has a week or two of bad loots prior to it. 2 years ago before the eomons and mulmun elites and the 2nd drone war started it was so bad that almost my whole society went broke. Its a great time to go sweating and fap the newbies and shoot an ambu every 5-10minutes, this way you can stretch your lengh of playing and minimize losses if you still insist to play. Downgrading is the key or upgrading to a level that almost nobody else plays works too. So basically you need to be flexible, because it can be very harmful to insist on your plans, like camping this or that mob, sibing this or that weapon etc..

I predict a thread like this every November and everytime a new VU comes or a new event starts. :wise:
 
falkao said:
You should not include MU when calculating Return rate
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Oh, I didn't even notice that the MU was included.

So, I think the OP should actually be doing ok.

The very first thing, is the OP is paying for armour/fap/me decay 10% of the PED_in. If he kept this expense at a minimum, he'd be at 86% return, and say the gun decay is about 9% of the total, that'd be like 95%. So, I think, this is a good average.

Just keep away from high decay things and high hp mobs, and you'll do fine.


Some
 
Of course we're not being robbed.. Nobody is forcing us to do anything..
They do prey on our weaknesses though.. :wise:
But if it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger!
 
AJack10600 said:
Some things just never change...

This thread is now 3 years old ... and it sounds as if I had written it yesterday...

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?84240-Open-Letter-to-MA-following-VU-9.0

I have stopped depositing big bucks a long time ago...

I have warned that this would happen a long time ago...

When people get fed up too much.. they shut up and leave...

MA don't understand that it's better to make 1 USD per Hour per player as this will make you play more and deposit more than to make 100 USD per hour on a few selected players... this has turned into a luxury game...
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i read your letter the irony of it all is the only thing that came true was day night cycles after it being mentioned 6 years prior and vehicles i guess *you didn't mention that one*
 
Syntaxtc said:
Just another one of "those threads".

Yet everyone downloads the VU/Content Updates, yet we all log back into game.

Why complain?

Stop logging in!
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You are very wrong there...

I will not log back ... and I know 20-30 people who will not either...

Some asked me lately if 'EU is still a ripoff'.. all I was able to say "but now we have cars and aircraft..."
 
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