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[ctoph12]

Correct.

The plots will enable you to build a house if you want (when it's implemented) in a 3x3 plot setup, ie 30x30 meters. Even if you could, what kind of income would you expect by something of that size?

Hardly any. I'd imagine you'd have to own at least 10 lots to bring in a reasonable amount of income from taxes.....which is kind of my target number to purchase within the next year or so.

 

[Corey 'Greyfox']

Hardly any. I'd imagine you'd have to own at least 10 lots to bring in a reasonable amount of income from taxes.....which is kind of my target number to purchase within the next year or so.

The income has nothing to do with taxes from the land

 

[ctoph12]

The income has nothing to do with taxes from the land

I know that. I was just saying that if they did have taxes (which it doesn't seem like they will after the landgrab), that you'd need at least 10 peices of land before you'd likely see any real tax benefit.

 

[mastermesh]

The income has nothing to do with taxes from the land

not directly, but in a roundabout way, it sort of does... not in that the new LAs will have taxes, but in that places like Omegaton, Sakura, and Genesis, and a few areas in game all are places that Planet Calypso owns... so yes, some taxes need to be in the calculations in some way... since these deeds sort of are like buying 1/60000th of 25% of the estate deed for Genesis, Sakura, Omegaton, etc.

First order of business that should take place in the political system is whether to sell off the deeds to the estates on Genesis, Sakura, and Omegaton or let the estate broker for Caly keep holding them?

Go look at Genesis, Sakura, and Omegaton and count the number of estates on floor 0 that have estate broker as the owner. A good chunk of those have never been sold to anyone yet. Some might just not have been claimed, but I know for a fact that many at Omegaton at least didn't even have functioning estate terminals til mid 2010. Some didn't even have any estate terminals at all before that time.

 

[Snuggins]

Okay from what I understand this will be like a landgrab from the old west, you head out stake out your claim. he location of the deed will be irrelevant, as your ROI has to do with planet Calypsos income, not the lands. The land is just a way to measure your virtual dick. "Oh look, I have 50 deeds, look how cool I am" kinda thing.
As for what % of Calypso income is divided, that is easy to figure out, just take 60,000*30=1,800,000, now all you need to figure out is how much did Calypso alone make in the last twelve months, then compare 1.8mil to that number, and their is your percent of Calypso income.

Virtual dicks are the backbone of EU.

 

[McCormick]

Okay from what I understand this will be like a landgrab from the old west, you head out stake out your claim. he location of the deed will be irrelevant, as your ROI has to do with planet Calypsos income, not the lands. The land is just a way to measure your virtual dick. "Oh look, I have 50 deeds, look how cool I am" kinda thing. *numb3rs*

Yea, exactly, but you can build houses, harvest crops, feed your animals, plant flowers....it will already start in 2013 !!!111 The possibilities are endless...haha, sorry. Yea, exactly.

 

[Sibolovin]

Landgrab should we start buying up dodge chips/Pvp armour??

Im not a pvp player - will I get pooned claiming my 1 block of land

End up with block of land next to rubbish dump

 

[Dusk]

Don't you see?

Well I know what I do see. A lot of cynicism and negativity.

MA would rather grab your cash first, THEN tell you how the system works. If they told everyone exactly how everything would work, people would't pony up the peds.

I fail to understand how you can actually know that.

I wish you the best in getting your answer in a timely fashion.

Thankyou.

As others have asked questions that have been answered my MA representatives, I thought I'd do something odd and ask a few questions myself. I could well be pissing into a force nine gale and getting very wet and smelly. Time will tell.

Meanwhile, I've logged in and bought a single deed. If I lose the 1000peds ultimately then at least its a relatively small amount. I'd never gamble more than I can afford to lose.

 

[thoreau]

One cannot disagree over facts

You have obviously never been in a room with more than 1 economist.

 

[voom]

Does anyone have any idea how many of these things have sold already?

 

[ALEXANDER]

so any1 care to resume this whole thread ? been on a long break from EU and now I see this mega thread...

So in a few words... what is this new system ? buy small chunks of land and get 30% of the investment each year?

 

[flyingdog]

hi there, I have some questions.

how many of this shares have been sold till today more or less? how many do they sell more or less every day at what MA time? do they sell them on a daily basis?

ty guys

 

[Kemp]

there will be light.

Let there be light!
One other I miss...

Beverages

But you must know m8, "we expect a shipment soon".... Cut them some slack...

 

[AxeMurderer]

so any1 care to resume this whole thread ? been on a long break from EU and now I see this mega thread...

So in a few words... what is this new system ? buy small chunks of land and get 30% of the investment each year?

here you go

http://entropia-universe-mmorpg.blogspot.com/2011/11/become-citizen-of-planet-calypso.html

 

[Caramon]

Landgrab should we start buying up dodge chips/Pvp armour??
Im not a pvp player - will I get pooned claiming my 1 block of land
End up with block of land next to rubbish dump

Not even MA knows the answer to your question that since "system development is scheduled to begin in 2012."

 

[K-Max]

BiNGO ! There are your steady investments, that will "boost" your ROI. ,-)

Aaaahhh the acres !!!

Ya but I still can't see myself pay 400ped for an apartment much less 9000ped for 9 deeds to put a 2000PED+(just ball park what placing a house on land here would be) house on it, now if they let me put a shop on it with a huge item count I would be more inclined to want to participate. So other then the small revenue that I can see coming back this would not be for me and I'll leave it to you guys to buy it all up GL

 

[K-Max]

Not even MA knows the answer to your question that since "system development is scheduled to begin in 2012."

yup so in actuality it will begin in 2015 and be done in 2020... Been here only a year and know that's the way it will happen ...

 

[safara]

I want to put my house on top of Spiral Mountain

 

[Snuggins]

here you go

http://entropia-universe-mmorpg.blogspot.com/2011/11/become-citizen-of-planet-calypso.html

In the introductory paragraph of your blog you wrote that a land lot deed gives the right to claim a 100mx100m plot. That's 10x too big. It's 100m square, so 10mx10m.

In the later parts where MA's announcement is quoted it's correctly described as 10x10 or 100 square.
Just a heads up for accuracy. Some folks may only read the first paragraph.

 

[McCormick]

I want to put my house on top of Spiral Mountain

Aawwwwwww :'D

Tell me it does still exist ! And the Cave at Limnadian...ahhh too bad .'(

 

[aridash]

Since the shares have no intrinsic TT value, the value is directly linked to the actual return given to investors and the demand that drives the price at which people will pay to own a share.

so, theres no value to assign to the right to vote or the entry to the Land Grab aspect?

Well, no. A revenue share agreement that does not entitle you to a share of the company, that does not really give you any decision power in the company is not a "share". These may still turn out to be illegal in the eyes of some regulator, in Sweden or otherwise, but not because these are shares.

well it doesnt claim to be a share in the company, so thats not a problem.

 

[Atraie]

Ive seen 2012 thrown arround in a few posts for the land grab. The announcement says development on the political system is slated to begin in 2012, and development on the land grab system in 2013. So dont expect it before 2013, personally i wouldnt expect it before 2014.

Also im sure building things on those plots WILL cost ped. Id be shocked if they just let you plant a structure based on plot size. Mabye they wil suprise me and they will have it do jsut that. But im certainly not counting on it. Because of that, my land will go undeveloped. Unless i can sell off the claimed plots independently from the deeds. In that case ill very likely sell off my land, i dont need a barbie house .

 

[Atraie]

Quote from original posting --
"Land Lot Deed holders will be able to build house(s) on the plot(s) they have staked out. (Minimum of 9 plots in a 3x3 format suitable for a structure). This system development is scheduled to begin in 2013."

So in effect you are buying a piece of land to build your own style of house on only which probably will cost a lot also, and you get a piece of revenue back from being a deed holder? (revenue statistics still to be determined or stated, what revenue? entire planets revenue? does it include cash deposit fees, auction house fees, does it include tt terminal exchanges, does it include repair terminal costs? These are the questions that people still want to know.) Please let us know what revenue on Calypso counts towards the shared revenue to be payed out to deed holders.

So Calypso most likely will be a huge suburb in 10+ years LOL!!!!

I can answer those:
Deposit fees: NO, deposits go to MA not a planet partner, so there is no planet partner split. Most if not all the deposit fees go towards paying the payment processing companies that did the transaction in the first place.(credit card purchases are not free, they cost the merchant, as does every other type of transaction except cash)
Auction fees: Possibly, but my gut says no. I wouldnt count on them, but maybe
TT exchanges. NO, you can feely change your ped card into tt items, and back to your ped card. Since there is no fee charged, there is no planet partner cut.
Repair terminal. NO, again you can freely add ped to an item, and recycle that ped back to your card via the TT. So repair terminal fees would not generate a planet partner cut.

Even tho i put NO next to repair terminal. Item decay *should* be generating planet partner fees. So while you dont get a cut when someone clicks repair, you will very likely get a cut as they decayed it in the first place.

 

[falkao]

If you dont want to misslead customer , then dont us a missleading name... this is comon sence.....
Why not call it calypso share , or calypso part , or calypso citizen right , calypso piece , calypso token ... or what ever , beside land lot deed...

might be that they made first the deed for a new OLA but then decided to turn them into shares by copy&paste still having the old name on it

CALYPSO SHARE : are taking % of decay and deposits that make up CALY revenue. * this is the PED that goes directly to decay ect.

It should be only decay or only deposits as both isn't possible. Say A is depo and B is decay, and share is 50%. Then you'll get A*50% when one deposits and B*50% when he is active. As B converges to A then finally you would get A*50% + A*50% = A. This isn't feasible.
They do state on their website that planet partner gets a share on decay and some tax.

That happens a lot when there is not enough information
And those 10 x 10 m plots, will they act as small OLAs and if not what exactly will be their purpose? Just a place to build an estate in it, just like the current apartments and houses?

As the share land deed is more profitable than OLA I would like to know where the disadvantage is. OLA has to pay for DNA, fertilizer and gets only a tax. The SLA (share LA) get’s much more without any additional costs. I guess one will have to pay when claiming it or when turning it into something useful.

Moreover, as share is high but time to get investment back is about 3-4 years, I do see the possibility of deflation on them. We have seen how market prices do depend on RL economy. If after one year one is in need of money he might sell for 700 as 300 have been already paid out.

 

[K-Max]

I can answer those:
Deposit fees: NO, deposits go to MA not a planet partner, so there is no planet partner split. Most if not all the deposit fees go towards paying the payment processing companies that did the transaction in the first place.(credit card purchases are not free, they cost the merchant, as does every other type of transaction except cash)
Auction fees: Possibly, but my gut says no. I wouldnt count on them, but maybe
TT exchanges. NO, you can feely change your ped card into tt items, and back to your ped card. Since there is no fee charged, there is no planet partner cut.
Repair terminal. NO, again you can freely add ped to an item, and recycle that ped back to your card via the TT. So repair terminal fees would not generate a planet partner cut.

Even tho i put NO next to repair terminal. Item decay *should* be generating planet partner fees. So while you dont get a cut when someone clicks repair, you will very likely get a cut as they decayed it in the first place.

Makes sense Atraie, so what all would be considered in revenue then besides decay as it happens? Does ammo burn count as decay, anything else?

 

[falkao]

The more I think about it the more it smells.

I personally do see the new deeds as an interest-free loan for the planet partner, hence they might be in need of money and are offering something very profitable.

As only the active players (PED cycling ones) do contribute to their income, the new deeds might be an incentive to lower playing costs. Let’s assume we do have 6k active players in terms of PED cycling. Per player 10 deeds are sufficient to get 10k PED for 3 years. As this corresponds to 25% of decay they have produced, you might lower your playing costs by this if you wait for 3 years, but you’ll only get it if you’re still active as ROI depends on ped cycling.

 

[Atraie]

I would count ammo, bombs, anything put in a crafting window, item decay(weapons, tools, armor). Anything that lowers TT value when used.

As far as what percentage of thoat goes to MA and the planet partner, i have no clue on the value. I could guess its around 7-10% tho.

 

[K-Max]

I would count ammo, bombs, anything put in a crafting window, item decay(weapons, tools, armor). Anything that lowers TT value when used.

As far as what percentage of thoat goes to MA and the planet partner, i have no clue on the value. I could guess its around 7-10% tho.

Thanks Atraie, your input is helping me visualize this whole thing much more clearly. Still looking like a long term commitment to get your money back to me but that's just me. I do see selling the deeds after the initial buy after the land grab as money making potential more then anything.

 

[RexDameon]

It seems that some participants still hold the misconception that buying a Land Lot deed is like buying a "mini Land Area" or that Land Lot deeds will function in a way similar to other existing estates.

This is not the case, as we have tried to make clear in our original announcement and in later statements.

Land Lot deeds are not the same as Outback Land Areas (commonly referred to as LAs or Land Areas).

Land Lot deedholders will not have the ability to set tax rates, manage mob DNA setttings, host events, etc.

The Land Grab mentioned in the initial announcement simply describes a forthcoming system whereby Land Lot deedholders will have the ability to claim a 10m x 10m plot of land for each deed held.

This sounds a lot like the original idea and what we thought land grab was and tons of people skilled up to be a part of it. Then you introduced a system that made about 80% of my friends quit by making it so that pretty much only ubers where getting land areas.

Are we getting the same carrot on a stick just to lead to us getting nothing in the end? I hope not but i'm very worried because i remember what happened for the first ever land grab and that almost destroyed Entropia with how many people quit from that.

 

[Svarog]

As the share land deed is more profitable than OLA I would like to know where the disadvantage is. OLA has to pay for DNA, fertilizer and gets only a tax. The SLA (share LA) get’s much more without any additional costs. I guess one will have to pay when claiming it or when turning it into something useful.

If the land plots won't be just for economically useless virtual houses (in which case you still have to pay for building/material), then i'm sure you'll have to buy something like a fertilizer for 4+ digits sum for the land to act as OLA.

If after one year one is in need of money he might sell for 700 as 300 have been already paid out.

And that's exactly what I do expect, and much earlier than in a year. After the first payments, actually (unless MA would intentionally pay more in the beginning to promote deeds sale, but I don't believe in that).