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If you are not in the mood to read a long post, I get it. I often find myself not having the interest or motivation to do so as well these days. So I will do you a favor and try my best to summarize very quickly what this post is actually about, without any fluff. So I ask you to please do me a small favor in return and at least read the next 3 statements below. If after those 3, you still have no interest, then fine, skip it, the post is just not for you.

Quick Summary of this Post:

1. Quite bluntly, I'm writing this post because I'm pissed off that I spent quite a bit of money on Land Plots over the last decade, and they are, still to this day, totally useless. The same pattern has repeated in Entropia many times in the past and a lot of veteran Entropians can attest to this, I'm not sure it's worth the time and effort to go through each time MA has pulled off this little gimmick but suffice it to say that you can chat with some old players in the game and they will tell you all about it.

2. The rest of the post is about the timeline of events for Land Plots and my specific experience with this particular "investment" in promises made by MindArk.

3. Today (8 April) is my birthday. The fact that I chose to spend a couple hours on this instead of being out celebrating my own damn birthday should emphasive the fact that THIS IS A BIG DEAL TO ME. I'm not going to say that it has ruined my life, but it sure weighs heavily on my mind that MA doesn't even care about keeping their promises!

Thanks for reading this far, and if you are skipping ahead to reply "Happy Birthday!" then I say "thank you!", but mostly thanks for reading up to this point and if you take anything away from this, I hope it's that you should be careful to buy anything from MA based on promises of "things to come", because that's the mistake I made and regret now, every day of my life.

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The lead up to Land Plot Settlements:

It's easy in hindsight to say I fell for an obvious cash grab or a scam and it's my own fault, but I think if we take a closer look at what led up to the release of Land Plot Settlements, it becomes a bit easier to understand what really happened.

I started playing Entropia at the end of 2006. The big thing back then was the Asteroid, aka Club Neverdie. The guy had remortgaged his house and bought the thing, not even knowing what the hell it was exactly. By the end of 2007, the same kind of thing happened again when MindArk released 3 Shopping Malls and 5 Banks, on the same terms; no specific information about what these Malls or Banks consisted of exactly or how they would be monetized. People were supposed to just buy on faith, and they did! Turns out, these buyers did ok, some of them did great! This appeared to go against any business advice or principle I had ever heard. It seemed that we were all supposed to just trust MindArk and buy whatever they are selling, and if you do, you will be rewarded. I didn't want to believe it, but it seemed as though that was the formula.

Fast forward to 2010-2011 (I can't remember exact dates anymore), Calypso Land Deeds got released. They were listed on the auction and people bought them, fast! I was pretty busy IRL at the time so I missed it but once I had time, I wired some money to Sweden and bought 100 CLDs from another player at 1100 PED each. Then I logged out and forgot about it for almost 5 years.

When I came back to the game at the end of 2015, those CLDs had accumulated almost $7,000 USD in dividends and were now worth over 1800 PED each! Damn! I trusted MA, and look what happened! I was rewarded, just like I had seen others be rewarded before. This was kind of crazy to me. But it seemed to be true in most cases. (Small caveat here though, I was not around for the Egg and the Hangars fiasco, so that part of it was missing for me. But to be fair, as far as the Hangars go, I believe MA did try to make it right by converting them to shops so the people who trusted MA would not find themselves with something that was now totally useless, so there was that.)

Anyway, by the time Land Plot Settlements came around, my indoctrination into the "MindArk way" of business was complete, and I was ready. I knew that:

1. You have to buy quick, cause if you don't buy, someone else will and you're going to miss out
2. There have been in the past huge paydays for those who had the courage to jump in blindly
3. Trusting MindArk will be rewarded
4. If things didn't go as planned, MA will try to make it up to you if they can (Hangar example)

Now let's be precise and talk about "The Promises":

Among the very first announcement of these Settlements there was mention of this linking to ComPet (a smartphone app) somehow, so that was part of the hype. Just like what EVE Online had done with Valkyrie; which is they had a different genre game on another platform, in this case XBox, which was tied to their main MMORPG: EVE Online. The 2 game's players could interact and collaborate in real-time, adding a new and interesting dimension to the main game, EVE Online, which could also act as a new source of players too, potentially. In our case (Entropia), Alukat is an example of someone that came from ComPet. If you haven't heard of ComPet or Valkyrie, don't fret, both of these "games" are now discontinued as they never really "took off".

All mentions of ComPet everywhere are now erased, but if you navigate to the Estate page (https://www.planetcalypso.com/opportunities/land-plots/) still in existence today, and which was published long ago to promote these new Land Plot Settlements, you will find among other details, the following "Promises":

index.php

I want to emphasize the following statements:

"Plot holders on Planet Calypso will now have the possibility to become Virtual Land Developers and build their own centres of production and supply."
False. As it stands, you cannot grow Transgen fruits anymore; the "Harvest" function has been disabled as of last year. All you can do is destroy the fruits grown, and recover a few of the mats that were used as input, mostly just the DNA fragments.

"In release 15.9.2, released on June 29 2016 only one type of house is available, but this is merely the beginning. We are continuously working on more developments!"
False. No other building was ever released! 10 years later!

"The Gardening System will enable you to become a producer of valuable organic goods and a key player in the supply chain. You’ll literally be able to ‘grow’ an expanding business!"
False. The only use that was ever introduced for the Transgen Fruits was as an ingredient on the blueprints for making 4 different level 10 Adapted Isis guns. These blueprints were limited and dropped for only a few weeks before being discontinued. Rusty Venture went on a buying spree while this was all happening and secured hundreds of clicks of each one. This all happened before the release of Loot 2.0 in 2017, and NO OTHER USE HAS EVER BEEN CREATED FOR THE TRANSGEN FRUITS SINCE THAT TIME! So, "A key player in the supply chain"? Yeah right... "grow an expanding business"? Again... what!? Us Plot owners have been waiting 10 years now!

"As a Property Owner you are also a citizen of a village and the development of ‘village life’ will be the focus of future releases."
False. 'village life' will be the focus of future releases? What? When did that happen? 'village life' has always been irrelevant in Entropia and still is.

But the point here is that these statements (and others which I can't find anymore) are some of the promises on which I proceded to purchase Land Plots, it REALLY looked promising and exciting and was exactly the kind of gameplay I was most interested in; it involved creating things, and building a business, I was very interested in this.

Claiming my first Land Plot:

The first Land Plots became available on Calypso on June 15th, 2015. To claim them, you had to have CLDs (Calypso Land Deeds) that had not been used yet for such purposes. It is believed that this was MindArks way to make sure that players who were truly invested in Entropia already, had first dibs on them. I had something like 108 CLDs at the time, so I had enough to secure a Medium Land Plot (needed 81 CLDs for Medium) but not a Large (needed 162 CLDs, and the Large were all gone anyway by the time I came back to the game around November 2015, and no one could've known that more Settlements would be released in 2016).

Back then, CLDs averaged over 1800 PED each on the auction. The bigger the Land Plot you wanted to claim, the more CLDs you had to "use" (have). You didn't lose the CLDs, but once they had been used to claim a Plot, an (x) was added in the name to make sure they were not used again for claiming other Land Plots. Because of the finite number of CLDs in circulation (60,000), it was effectively being promised that the number of Land Plots in the game would also be finite.

To claim Land Plots other than Small, you also had to turn in Composite Planks:
S > 0 x Composite Planks
S+ > 1500 x Composite Planks
M > 3000 x Composite Planks
L > 5000 x Composite Planks

At the time when I claimed my Medium Land Plot, Composite Planks were selling above 450%. At 1 PED tt each, that meant that buying 3000 of them cost me well over 13.5k PED.

Erecting Snugs and Acorns on the Land Plot:

Next, I went ahead and built myself some "Snugs", because that was the only thing I could do, so it made sense to me that I had to do that in order to progress.

Now, here's a very detailed post by another player that lists everything that goes into building Snugs:

A little over 2k PED per Snug. I built 2 of them so I could build more Acorns (the gardening pots). I'm not sure how much the Acorns cost me to build, probably less than 100 PED each, so that's not significant. But say 400 PED for the 4 Acorns, 2300 each Snug, that's another 5k invested. That's brings our total to 18.5k so far.

Leveling up the Land Plot:

Now in order to level up the Land Plot, you needed to raise the experience, and in order to do that, you had to harvest fruits, which means you have to do gardening to level up. Rusty Venture did a cost analysis on this for all sizes and you can see his breakdown here:

We all wanted to see back then if leveling up the Land Plots would unlock other features, so some of us worked hard on this, despite it giving us Transgen Fruits that had no use. Back in 2017, 2018 and 2019, Bilko and I poured thousands of PED into our Plots just to see what would happen at level 2, 3, 4... Bilko made it all the way up to level 4, I only made it to level 2. But still, that's a cost of 7k PED to get to level 2 for a Medium Plot! For what? Absolutely nothing...

And while I was leveling up the Plot, what I learned was that the true bottleneck in doing so was the DNA Fragments, so I started on a mission to stockpile enough DNA Fragments to level up my Plot all the way to Level 4 just in case MA someday developped Land Plots further. So now I have something like 6k PED of useless DNA Fragments, and if we were to put an average markup on that it would probably be around 165% because the DNA Fragment D was quite often above 200% and was the hardest one to stockpile. So that puts the cost of all this stockpiling to about 10k.

In the end, my Livas Heights #10 medium Land Plot was a venture that cost me 18.5k + 7K + 10k = 35.5k in total, with absolutely nothing to show for it :(

And I'm not counting all of the other Land Plots I bought over the years to position myself for the future. In all now, I own:
6 Land Plots at Southern Ithaca
3 Land Plots at Hestia
3 Land Plots at Livas
1 Land Plots at Isle of Troy
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13 Land Plots in total, completely and utterly USELESS!

Conclusion:

Remember earlier when I said "It is believed that this was MindArks way to make sure that players who were truly invested in Entropia already, had first dibs on them."? I don't think that's true anymore.

MindArk sold 50% of Calypso for $6,000,000 USD. The ROI was insane, and the price of CLDs just kept going up, very fast. A lot of people made a lot of money on this, but MA kind of got screwed cause they should've sold it for more than that, and some executives at MA knew that or felt that way. So I think they wanted to claw some of the free money that they had given away back.

All speculation of course, I have no proof. But I think at the very least, this today forms the basis of their attitude about it which is that "there is no need for them to compensate anyone or develop Land Plots further, because the buyers were all CLD holders, and they all got a piece of Calypso at a huge discount and made a lot of money because of their mistake". Again, all conjecture and no proof.

Anyway, don't do like I did, don't buy things in Entropia based on promises by MindArk.

Alright, I'm going out for a birthday diner with my wife now and will try to forget all this sad, sad state of affairs...

Thanks for reading me o/

Legends

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Further reading / links to official annoucements, AMA questions and answers, or other discussion threads about Land Plots:

Land Plot Settlements announcement by MindArk:

Hestia and Isle of Troy:

User Interface for erecting buildings on Land Plots announced:

Gardening annoucement by MindArk:

State of the Universe 2016 hypes up Land Plot development:

Gold Rush 2017 announcement regarding Land Plot prizes:

1st AMA, Forgo asks about "farming" (he should have said "gardening"):

1st AMA, I ask about further Land Plot development:

1st AMA, Jetsina asks about further Land Plot development:

1st AMA, bigdaddy asks about Land Plots:

2nd AMA, Angel O2 asks about gardening:

2nd AMA, NevadaJake asks about more buildings for Land Plots:

-- Who else got screwed with this venture:

List of Ithaca and Livas Land Plot owners (very old):

List of Isle of Troy Land Plot owners (more recent):
 
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Happy Birthday, mate ! Enjoy your birthday dinner. They simply just don't care. This is the same company it always was, strippin customer trust like a boss.
On a better note, thanks for all the great deals over the years.
 
Happy birthday, and sorry to hear.
Hope something gets done, they were lofty promises.
 
Happy birthday Legend, its sad what they usually do with everything they promise...
 
Happy birthday! Never buy in to something MA is selling without it actually already being available in game. They keep their promises maybe 20% of the time
 
Happy Birthday! Mine was Sunday, Easter.

GoGo Aries!
 
Happy birthday! Never buy in to something MA is selling without it actually already being available in game. They keep their promises maybe 20% of the time

Even then try to get it for 80%off just to be on the safe side
 
It's hard to even count the number of such stories. The only difference is how much it affected each of us. Only those who had nothing to lose can pretend that everything is fine.
Nothing changes.
 
Happy birthday btw. Don’t all forget the hero estates at NI they got screwed over even harder.
Or how I have 40k of space mining gear turn useless overnight when they disable buffs.
Or invest in useless stables for pets.
Or so much more
 
I said some time ago they said, shortly after or at same time, that plots were discontinued after arkadia sold their plots. It was discontinued in private and the only way I knew was I asked support case why progression etc was bugged on the arkadia plots. They said they had no intention or plans to develop them further.

They simply cash grabbed everyone.

At some point everyone needs to learn.
 
Always shit to see another failed commitment made on mindarks part. But i do love the part where you doubled down hard on it dispite nothing being added for almost a decade. What do they call it when you repeat the same thing over and over again but expecting different results?
 
Happy birthday 🎂.

Absolutely agree here.

Historically, Mindark adds new content, if it doesn’t generate the revenue they wanted it’s then forgotten, and they move on to some new crazy stupid idea(genesis probes)🤣, please, don’t buy into Mindark’s BS anymore.
 
Happy birthday! It can always be worst. At least we remind them for the land plots every few years. There are 5 crypto bros that bought 5 crypto eggs from MA and people at MA now don't even know it.
 
This story reminds me of a scam scheme where a well-advertised company with publicly known and popular people on some beautiful island swindles you out of money.
They promise to build you a house in Bali or some beautiful island, you pay a deposit and nothing happens and after a while you find out that there is no house there at all.
It's really a pity, but we all willingly pay this scammer. This is the craziest thing.
Thanks for this story, happy birthday!
 
This story reminds me of a scam scheme where a well-advertised company with publicly known and popular people on some beautiful island swindles you out of money.
They promise to build you a house in Bali or some beautiful island, you pay a deposit and nothing happens and after a while you find out that there is no house there at all.
It's really a pity, but we all willingly pay this scammer. This is the craziest thing.
Thanks for this story, happy birthday!
MA is Patty Hearst.
 
From time to time players do show a middle finger to MA for example:

- Medusa Bazaar
- Ethereal Armors
- Triton Industries

All of these sales brought minimum money to MA because players were fed up with how they were treated.

MAs luck is that people that got upset usually just stopped playing and new ones came instead. But not all leave and its good to remind and push MA to not do similar cashgrabs without delivering on their promises.
 
Well soon legends. But keep in mind with these kinds of posts that MA can at anytime refuse or change payouts / prizes etc etc etc for legends event.
 
There are many layers of broken promises, but I still have land plots to this day as well.
Another problem is that even if some dev path is actually followed, the results are likely to result in those who try it becoming very annoyed. The only parameter seems to be how quickly or slowly this occurs. Meanwhile, the churn continues.
Recently I HAVE asked whether snugs will count as apartments for placing the tiered cooking stoves, but what are the chances?
Hope you had a good dinner out on the town! (maybe you didn't have the fish ... :p )
 
Happy B-Day 🎉

" I'm not sure it's worth the time and effort to go through each time MA has pulled off this little gimmic"

It's not ;)
 
Always shit to see another failed commitment made on mindarks part. But i do love the part where you doubled down hard on it dispite nothing being added for almost a decade. What do they call it when you repeat the same thing over and over again but expecting different results?

I must be crazy cause for a second there I tought you were calling me insane 🤪

Well, you're not looking at this right because in my view, I was repeating the same thing and expecting the same result. If you read the whole post, you know that at the time I had 108 CLDs, these CLDs made me a lot of PED. I paid around 1100 PED each and by that time, 2015, they were worth over 1800 PED. So what I had done was I had 'invested in Entrpoia', that was what I had done. I had also 'trusted MindArk'. Also, there were other examples of good opportunities that had occured right before my eyes during my formative years, such as the malls and the Asteroid, which earned the buyers, who had also 'trusted MindArk', a lot of money.

So, my previous successful action being buying CLDs set me up nicely for the Land Plot cash grab.

But inregards to the doubling down on the scam part, you are missing info, such as when I bought those other Land Plots. It was not after a decade, I am not THAT stupid. It was over a period of a couple years during the time that we all still had hope that this would become something still, that it would be further developped. Probably between 2017 and 2019. So I did stop buying Land Plots 6 or 7 years ago, once I began to doubt.
 
Happy birthday :love:

I understand you 100%

Some of us are here over 20 years and know exacly how it works ... they do not like this so they make it harder and harder ... so we leave ...

It's hard to even count the number of such stories. The only difference is how much it affected each of us. Only those who had nothing to lose can pretend that everything is fine.
Nothing changes.

Happy birthday btw. Don’t all forget the hero estates at NI they got screwed over even harder.
Or how I have 40k of space mining gear turn useless overnight when they disable buffs.
Or invest in useless stables for pets.
Or so much more

I said some time ago they said, shortly after or at same time, that plots were discontinued after arkadia sold their plots. It was discontinued in private and the only way I knew was I asked support case why progression etc was bugged on the arkadia plots. They said they had no intention or plans to develop them further.

They simply cash grabbed everyone.

At some point everyone needs to learn.

Always shit to see another failed commitment made on mindarks part. But i do love the part where you doubled down hard on it dispite nothing being added for almost a decade. What do they call it when you repeat the same thing over and over again but expecting different results?

From time to time players do show a middle finger to MA for example:

- Medusa Bazaar
- Ethereal Armors
- Triton Industries

All of these sales brought minimum money to MA because players were fed up with how they were treated.

MAs luck is that people that got upset usually just stopped playing and new ones came instead. But not all leave and its good to remind and push MA to not do similar cashgrabs without delivering on their promises.

There are many layers of broken promises, but I still have land plots to this day as well.
Another problem is that even if some dev path is actually followed, the results are likely to result in those who try it becoming very annoyed. The only parameter seems to be how quickly or slowly this occurs. Meanwhile, the churn continues.
Recently I HAVE asked whether snugs will count as apartments for placing the tiered cooking stoves, but what are the chances?
Hope you had a good dinner out on the town! (maybe you didn't have the fish ... :p )

I added this section in the OP to give a bit more context as to how exactly I came to the idea that I could trust MA's promises:

The lead up to Land Plot Settlements:

It's easy in hindsight to say I fell for an obvious cash grab or a scam and it's my own fault, but I think if we take a closer look at what led up to the release of Land Plot Settlements, it becomes a bit easier to understand what really happened.

I started playing Entropia at the end of 2006. The big thing back then was the Asteroid, aka Club Neverdie. The guy had remortgaged his house and bought the thing, not even knowing what the hell it was exactly. By the end of 2007, the same kind of thing happened again when MindArk released 3 Shopping Malls and 5 Banks, on the same terms; no specific information about what these Malls or Banks consisted of exactly or how they would be monetized. People were supposed to just buy on faith, and they did! Turns out, these buyers did ok, some of them did great! This appeared to go against any business advice or principle I had ever heard. It seemed that we were all supposed to just trust MindArk and buy whatever they are selling, and if you do, you will be rewarded. I didn't want to believe it, but it seemed as though that was the formula.

Fast forward to 2010-2011 (I can't remember exact dates anymore), Calypso Land Deeds got released. They were listed on the auction and people bought them, fast! I was pretty busy IRL at the time so I missed it but once I had time, I wired some money to Sweden and bought 100 CLDs from another player at 1100 PED each. Then I logged out and forgot about it for almost 5 years.

When I came back to the game at the end of 2015, those CLDs had accumulated almost $7,000 USD in dividends and were now worth over 1800 PED each! Damn! I trusted MA, and look what happened! I was rewarded, just like I had seen others be rewarded before. This was kind of crazy to me. But it seemed to be true in most cases. (Small caveat here though, I was not around for the Egg and the Hangars fiasco, so that part of it was missing for me. But to be fair, as far as the Hangars go, I believe MA did try to make it right by converting them to shops so the people who trusted MA would not find themselves with something that was now totally useless, so there was that.)

Anyway, by the time Land Plot Settlements came around, my indoctrination into the "MindArk way" of business was complete, and I was ready. I knew that:

1. You have to buy quick, cause if you don't buy, someone else will and you're going to miss out
2. There have been in the past huge paydays for those who had the courage to jump in blindly
3. Trusting MindArk will be rewarded
4. If things didn't go as planned, MA will try to make it up to you if they can (Hangar example)
 
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