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Info: Confirmation that loot sucks 2010

loot always sux :)

From experience -> it is better to spend 10 ped a day really. I cant complain or whine if I have 100% losses on my 10 ped budget.


the more you spend the more you gonna loose.

Give up spending tons peds right now while you can.
 
Einstein said:
I'm sorry for the losses, but I just wanted to say:

Impressive excel file :eek:
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Not just impressive but more like HIGHLY impressive. Care to share your parsing secrets. And it appears the data is a "live" feed judging by the programs open on your task bar. Someone out there knows there stuff real well.
 
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If we really believe that Entropia Universe is not a gambling game, then Entropia Universe is a game with real economy. On the latter, we reason that the universe, to be functional, must have a chain of production. This production line, starts with large deposits of money in the game, most of them made by the Crafters. Then, the needs of the Crafters determines the direction of the economy in the game. Everybody can appreciate that BPs have a greater need for minerals, with relation than for animal oils. Then, It's easy to add all sales of last year related to ore ingots and refined maters; and It's easy too, add year's sales of all animal oils.

Then you will see that minerals are purchased eight times more, than the animal oils. Knowing that the number of miners is the third of the number of hunters. From there, the terrible situation of the hunt (“The Hunting Problem”). It does not needed to be a genius, or an Uber, or an Uber genius to understand this.

By the other hand, NEVER the results of an Uber(*), could serves to demonstrate the hunting situation in the game. Because, It would be like trying to demonstrate that a country is so good as are those of its elite. (For example, Haiti has high class people too, but that does not mean that Haitians are living very well!)

In a real economy crafters should produce all the inputs that needs this economy to be functional. However, we know that in the EU is not as this way. So, there are many products that are provided by MA like for example looted weapons (Isis).

Then, this is a subsidized economy. Partly for crafters and partly by MindArk. Currently, this economy is not working. The common Hunters knows this long time ago. No is needed previously see a red color number, or being called fool by another player even more fool. We knows very well about our results. And the results of OP are the most common results of hunters inside the game. Thank you Op again! maybe his work opening the way, and forcing to MA to think new ways to improve the economy:wtg:

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(*) Call it "Immortal" or any other Uber
 
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Immortal said:
So you aren't tracking where your expenses are. So stop complaining. It takes me 1min to update TT return, markup, armor decay, fap decay, so the attitude of "there isn't time" is a lazy one. Some people might be fooled by a pretty coloured spreadsheet. Perhaps they are the same ones who believe crafters who gamble on amps make a profit.
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Hugh DOES track his expenses and i can guarantee you that he doesn't use foolish high MU stuff. He also hunts well within his skill level and keeps very accurate data each and every hunt. You dont have to worry, at all, about him using gear that is uneco, either price or decay wise.

I know that for a fact because i have the FULL excell version from Hugh's results and thus could have a deeper look into it all.

You know, not all "whining threads" are made by people that just take guesses at their loss. Hugh's is a very credible one and you should applaud his extensive efforts instead of ridiculing him.
 
dutch chap said:
....He also hunts well within his skill level and keeps very accurate data each and every hunt. You dont have to worry, at all, about him using gear that is uneco, either price or decay wise......You know, not all "whining threads" are made by people that just take guesses at their loss. Hugh's is a very credible one and you should applaud his extensive efforts instead of ridiculing him.
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Well done +Rep
 
Nice work and i just cant believe that there are still ppl who see the dead end,but still ride like there isnt....
 
dutch chap said:
Hugh DOES track his expenses and i can guarantee you that he doesn't use foolish high MU stuff. He also hunts well within his skill level and keeps very accurate data each and every hunt. You dont have to worry, at all, about him using gear that is uneco, either price or decay wise.

I know that for a fact because i have the FULL excell version from Hugh's results and thus could have a deeper look into it all.

You know, not all "whining threads" are made by people that just take guesses at their loss. Hugh's is a very credible one and you should applaud his extensive efforts instead of ridiculing him.
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I would not dispute this in any way.

However, the chart isn't really of any use to anyone else if they can't see what weapons, armour and fap are used.
 
Subscribing.

I asked MA if it was normal for a player to lose $100 a week (I lost $100 in 10 days - currently at a very low level).
They said yes (more or less).
 
TheGreatest said:
Subscribing.

I asked MA if it was normal for a player to lose $100 a week (I lost $100 in 10 days - currently at a very low level).
They said yes (more or less).
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lol... you can lose $100 in minutes in EU...;)
 
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First, I must say nice work in Excel there :)

Now, loot doesn't seem the best lately.
Who to blame? Well, hard to say. So many things that has done so the
interest has been reduced for EU.
World economic crysis, new specs needed for the PC, both hype and bitching
about loot, and ofc, facts as in this case. Facts are the worst thing for
EU since that is about reality of playing.

I saw something about they mentioned that players create the fundation
for loots, this I believe in.
But I doubt that same percent is "reachable" to be looted no matter of
amount active and PEDs spent.
I've always thought that the lootsystem has a sort of a buffer, to both
even out loot some, but also as a security so system isn't drained.
So with less players/PEDs in cycle, the less will the loot be.
No, I don't mean differences of 20-30%, more like 4-5%, between a really
bad to a good condition of the lootsystem.
But they also say that percentage of what we get back, haven't been
changed, ever. What that means, well could be a lot. ;)
 
Xavier_Jr said:
lol... excuse me .. in EU :D:D:D:D
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Sorry for the off topic but the second question.

Why do you troll every thread whining without presenting any evidence to back it up??
 
I lose average 33% or so of what I spend everyday.

If I hunt/mine for 300 ped, I lose 100. If I do it for 1200 ped, shit will hit the fan and I lose 300-400 ped. And so on.

I am starting to feel tired of PE for the first time in 6 years because MA has screwed the gap between uber loots and mini loots too far. It was perfect when I started back in 2003. At least you had a chance to loot something decent then. And more USEFUL items. Mmm, fun memories...

I have started to play another MMORPG with warring guilds lately. It is not the same of course, but it keeps me away from PE and makes me not lose money. Also have started to clean out my storage now too.

I don't know if MA realizes the seriousness of the sitiuation they have now, but I want to try and withdraw some of my money for the sake of safety. I will probably not sell my main gear and my skills, but most of the eye candy will have to go. Like my Thunderbird Shins (M/UL) and a few extra amps and so on. And some low TT old school items.

Sad, but unavoidable if MA doesn't change this gap.

Last february I looted 18000 ped off of a Daikiba Prowler.

I was happy and shaking for 15 minutes when I did. But at the same time it felt like I had reached the peak of my PE time. Such things won't happen again to me so I have nothing to look forward to. Also it felt so wrong to get that kind of loot from a noob mob after spending weeks with atroxes around Ithaca.

Will be interesting to see how long MA will survive, but based on the financial reports I saw on the web about 2009, things are not going good.

Now they even take more than just decay to survive. So the concept seems to be a failure :/
 
TommyDaGreat said:
Last february I looted 18000 ped off of a Daikiba Prowler.

I was happy and shaking for 15 minutes when I did. But at the same time it felt like I had reached the peak of my PE time. Such things won't happen again to me so I have nothing to look forward to. Also it felt so wrong to get that kind of loot from a noob mob after spending weeks with atroxes around Ithaca.
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Perhaps the HOF was built up on the Atrox around Ithaca..... ;)
 
xentric said:
Sorry for the off topic but the second question.

Why do you troll every thread whining without presenting any evidence to back it up??
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At this thread you can see the evidence. But you want not to see it.

And i can talk about me too, but you can not believe it either. I tell you here that in hunting the common rate is 60% (calculated only over bullets.. but hunting tools have very very high decay).
I can tell you that all the information that you see about me on "entropia tracker", cost me double what you see there. Only at last 12 months i am loosing almost 3000 USD in hunting. For that reason i am mining now. Because its return rate is not so expensive.

Really I think it's much worse telling people that are losing always, that exists a couple of guys who always win. Because if you are a winner, why you are affected to know that exist people who always loosing? I want a better game for everybody... but.. what do u want ¿¿¿¿????
 
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Mega said:
Perhaps the HOF was built up on the Atrox around Ithaca..... ;)
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I want to think so, but since I know how much others have lost without any HoFs to compensate that afterwards... Nah...
 
Xavier_Jr said:
At this thread you can see the evidence.
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The evidence is what is not shown here. please point it out to me if I have missed it
 
xentric said:
I would not dispute this in any way.

However, the chart isn't really of any use to anyone else if they can't see what weapons, armour and fap are used.
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Its not possible for me to show the sheet that includes all the armour, weapon and fap decay because it is an excel sheet and almost as long as a toilet roll, its my "all hunts " worksheet, if there was any way i could share it - i would
 
Hugh Willose said:
Its not possible for me to show the sheet that includes all the armour, weapon and fap decay because it is an excel sheet and almost as long as a toilet roll, its my "all hunts " worksheet, if there was any way i could share it - i would
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You can upload an excel workbook to google docs and publish it as an uneditable webpage in about 5 minutes or less.

narfi
 
here's todays update with a new section ( top right) including total hunt costs and total loot - kinda explains the 6k + loss




next update will be feb 1st
 
narfi said:
You can upload an excel workbook to google docs and publish it as an uneditable webpage in about 5 minutes or less.

narfi
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thnx - will look into that :)
 
Mikass said:
One couldn`t help but ask why does MA introduce these "enhancer" system and also currently working on a quest system when there`s lots of unfinished business from the old Entropia like flying, mindforce or taming. Why would MA work and put precious resources in 2 new systems before delivering the unfinished business? Probably because they are really trying to get people to deposit asap and this is really a top priority for them before any long term plans.
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Exactely. They probably put in a lot of time to implement that tier system, a system that wasnt really necessary right now, when they could have used that time to bring back the old stuff. I think of all the ppl who invested money in things like body sculpting, hairstyling, makeup, the ppl who used to heal noobs at Nea's with healing chips, the pilots, etc.. its very unfair for them.

Now.. about the bad loot, I totally agree. Two days ago I actually decided to take a break from hunting, since I have been losing pretty much the last few weeks. Looking forward to see your info in february. ;)
 
xentric said:
The evidence is what is not shown here. please point it out to me if I have missed it
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what? because you want to see decay of weapon, fap, armor? and then what? are you miner is not? seems that you never used weapons like isis48/53/59/63/65. One weapon like this is broken at only 6 hours of hunting and 1000 peds of bullets. That means that 500 peds-900peds is needed only in decay of weapon for playing 6 hours of hunting. An amplifier like 103 or 104 cost 30 or 40 peds each recharge. One recharge only is usefull for 150 peds of bullets... then decay of amps is aprox. 180-240 peds more per 6 hours of hunting. Besides the decay of armor and fap depends about your evade or dodge. But you can consider near of 50-80 peds more.

Then i can teach you that only 6 hours of hunting consume:

weapon: 700 peds
amps : 210 peds
bullets : 1000 peds
others : 65 peds
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TOTAL EXPENSES: 1975 peds


And 6 hours of hunting return:

common return : 1000 x 0.65 = 650 peds in nornal loot (*)
common globals: 1 per hour = 6 x 70 peds = 420 peds
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TOTAL LOOT: 650 ped + 420 ped = 1070 ped


loose : 1975 - 1070 = (-905) peds per 6 hours of hunting.


That is the common hunting round. Hofs normally is missing. And when exists normally is 300 peds. In such case you lost 605 peds per 6 hours of hunting.. You only can win if obtain 12 globals and 1 hof in this 6 hours.. but believe me, is very rare.


This is the hunting problem. Real hunters understand this easily, because all these numbers are inside his mind.


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(*) uber items only is given to ubers... the MU of animal oils is near of 101%-102%... then the MU value is very litle
 
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Xavier_Jr said:
off topic post
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For info I use up to LR53/HL11 with 104 amp or apis with beast but what is needed is what equipment the OP used in relation to the spreedsheet he posted.

It's not really relevant in this thread what you or I use.
 
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I am really starting to wonder what the hell is keeping me here :scratch2:
lack of loot = lack of fun

and l want to have some fun :dance::hammer::nana::lift::shots::tux::lift::shots::drool::wave:
 
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