Mike Kaffeslukarn Morazi
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(Warning: Bit of a long read, grab a coffee first )
Looking back at Resource Mayhem, I think there are valid points of discussion of what the consequences might or might not be.
I also believe more people could be made aware of what actually happened during Resource Mayhem and what quantities of tokens people pulled.
I have some general questions about this and it would be great to hear your thoughts as well - I will post those questions at the end of this post.
Mtokens
As you know, Pulling Mayhem tokens (Mtokens) in Resource Mayhem, people discovered, basically cost very little.
For years, people with 2.0 high eff-weapons had been looting Mtokens in Mayhems for 0.45-0.6 PED each in Mayhems (give or take). People with 1.0 Weapons farmed Mtokens
for 1 PED each (again, give or take).
In resource Mayhem, anyone could walk up to the auctioneer, buy materials from other players, hand in these materials and stockpile Mtokens for 0.4 PED each, 0.3 PED, and eventually 0.5, ped each, easily. What had taken players 1 or 2 years of grinding, could be achieved by walking between the Auctioneer and the Resource NPC in a week. And the costs - Even cheaper.
Then came Legacy boxes. Legacy boxes obviously contained (and contains) large quantities of Rare tokens. These boxes sold for high prices and those prices never dropped during Resource Mayhem, as people knew they would keep looting Rare tokens. People who were doing the endlessly repeatable turn-ins simply sold their Legacy boxes, got most of their peds back, and Kept re-investing in Mayhem tokens (and who could blame them, right?):
Buy/craft resources > Pull Mtokens > Sell Legacy Boxes > Get most PED back > Repeat
After the event, as people had secured their Mtokens, people started to talk about how much they did or didn't pull.
Just as a few examples: One person with low but consistent effort pulled 360K Mtokens for 72K PED - 0.2 PED Per token.
This was through the steps described above: buy materials, pull tokens, then sell the Legacy boxes. Rinse and repeat. This was done during just a part of RM, it did not require the whole period of the event. Other people kept pulling Mtokens for the entirety of the event.
Another person pulled 60K tokens for 13K ped (0.2/Token as well) and outlined it clearly in a forum post here on PCF.
You then have people who did the same, but put considerably more effort and bankroll into it.
I would say that it is obvious there is now a sizeable amount of people who surpassed several hundred thousand Mtokens, and a fair amount above 500K Mtokens as well. It was just a numbers game.
Then we have the next category of players. These were the people who identified the right materials to craft and crafted themselves. Some of these people were pulling Mayhem tokens for as low as 7 PEC per token. That is 7K PED for 100K MTokens. Once you start looking at the crafters and their amount of globals during RM you see the scope of it.
Token costs looked something like this:
Buy resources from Auction > Pull Tokens > Sell Legacy Boxes - 0.2 PED/Token
Craft correct Resources > Pull Tokens > Sell Legacy Boxes - 0.07 PED/Token
For a lot of people who participated in RM, the costs for 100K tokens were thus 20K. For some, it was less than half of that.
If we forget about Rare Tokens, Mayhem Vendor Pulls costs now look like this for a lot of people:
When you see these numbers - Honestly, what are your thoughts? Because this is already some of the prices people have been pulling some of the last remaining items for
and included them in trades etc (Mayhem Resto, for example).
Rare Tokens
The second factor to highlight from this event is how Rare Tokens changed. The legacy boxes gave players a lot of rare tokens and are still doing that. It is not strange that Legacy Boxes kept their prices throughout the whole Resource Mayhem, since players looted Rare tokens as never before (Chronos parts were worth less than Xmas 2023, its the rares people were after).
We can look at the numbers.
The amount is high, but not catastrophic. But boxes still remain in the game and the amount of rares dropping is still higher than before.
We are therefore sitting with an empty Mayhem Vendor, and a larger amount of Mtokens and Rare tokens among players than ever before.
Options
Considering the amount of Mayhem tokens in the game now, and to some extent Rare tokens as well - What is the way forward here?
In terms of future restocks, I see several alternatives but no single alternative that is not complicated.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this as well, and if you think I am wrong or whether there are other alternatives.
These are some alternatives I see:
1. MindArk does a normal re-stock, which will be cleaned out immediately. This will lead to a lot of remaining people having no opportunity to pull
items and they will be sitting on large amounts of tokens for a long time.
2. MindArk increases the amount of items to be re-stocked. This will let people pull items but drive down the value of items significantly.
3. MindArk increases the prices in the Mayhem vendor (inflation).
These are just some ideas for possible outcomes I see. Let me know what your views are.
Questions
I will wrap up this post with some questions about all this. Feel free to comment, tell me I am wrong, or provide any opinions you might have on this.
Some of these questions echo what I mentioned above.
- Will there be an incentive to grind normal Mayhem events now, when a lot of people already are sitting on a lot of Mtokens?
- If people pulled 100k Mtokens for every 7K PED, how many Mtokens do you think these players pulled in total?
Remember, the only restraining factor (after bankroll) was the speed/pace they had to sell their Legacy boxes at - And Legacy boxes never stopped selling.
- If anyone could pull Mtokens for 0.2PED/Token simply by purchasing resources from players, how much Mtokens do you think players managed to farm?
- Is the only thing left now stopping the floodgate of vendor pulls the fact that MA controls the Vendor?
- If MA does not re-stock more items than previously, will people be sitting on their Tokens without being able to pull anything?
- If there are larger re-stocks of items to compensate for this, how much in value will items drop?
- Perhaps it is actually a good thing for prices to drop significantly? So that more new players have more options to start playing EU?
Thank you for taking your time to read.
Looking back at Resource Mayhem, I think there are valid points of discussion of what the consequences might or might not be.
I also believe more people could be made aware of what actually happened during Resource Mayhem and what quantities of tokens people pulled.
I have some general questions about this and it would be great to hear your thoughts as well - I will post those questions at the end of this post.
Mtokens
As you know, Pulling Mayhem tokens (Mtokens) in Resource Mayhem, people discovered, basically cost very little.
For years, people with 2.0 high eff-weapons had been looting Mtokens in Mayhems for 0.45-0.6 PED each in Mayhems (give or take). People with 1.0 Weapons farmed Mtokens
for 1 PED each (again, give or take).
In resource Mayhem, anyone could walk up to the auctioneer, buy materials from other players, hand in these materials and stockpile Mtokens for 0.4 PED each, 0.3 PED, and eventually 0.5, ped each, easily. What had taken players 1 or 2 years of grinding, could be achieved by walking between the Auctioneer and the Resource NPC in a week. And the costs - Even cheaper.
Then came Legacy boxes. Legacy boxes obviously contained (and contains) large quantities of Rare tokens. These boxes sold for high prices and those prices never dropped during Resource Mayhem, as people knew they would keep looting Rare tokens. People who were doing the endlessly repeatable turn-ins simply sold their Legacy boxes, got most of their peds back, and Kept re-investing in Mayhem tokens (and who could blame them, right?):
Buy/craft resources > Pull Mtokens > Sell Legacy Boxes > Get most PED back > Repeat
After the event, as people had secured their Mtokens, people started to talk about how much they did or didn't pull.
Just as a few examples: One person with low but consistent effort pulled 360K Mtokens for 72K PED - 0.2 PED Per token.
This was through the steps described above: buy materials, pull tokens, then sell the Legacy boxes. Rinse and repeat. This was done during just a part of RM, it did not require the whole period of the event. Other people kept pulling Mtokens for the entirety of the event.
Another person pulled 60K tokens for 13K ped (0.2/Token as well) and outlined it clearly in a forum post here on PCF.
You then have people who did the same, but put considerably more effort and bankroll into it.
I would say that it is obvious there is now a sizeable amount of people who surpassed several hundred thousand Mtokens, and a fair amount above 500K Mtokens as well. It was just a numbers game.
Then we have the next category of players. These were the people who identified the right materials to craft and crafted themselves. Some of these people were pulling Mayhem tokens for as low as 7 PEC per token. That is 7K PED for 100K MTokens. Once you start looking at the crafters and their amount of globals during RM you see the scope of it.
Token costs looked something like this:
Buy resources from Auction > Pull Tokens > Sell Legacy Boxes - 0.2 PED/Token
Craft correct Resources > Pull Tokens > Sell Legacy Boxes - 0.07 PED/Token
For a lot of people who participated in RM, the costs for 100K tokens were thus 20K. For some, it was less than half of that.
If we forget about Rare Tokens, Mayhem Vendor Pulls costs now look like this for a lot of people:
Price of Mayhem Vendor Pulls (not counting rares) |
---|
Item | Low-Medium Effort, buying resources from auction (0.2PED/Token) | High Effort, crafting correct resources (0.07/PED/Token) |
Mayhem Resto | 24K PED | 8.4K PED |
BC-30 | 6K PED | 2.1K PED |
LP-40 Perfected | 12K PED | 4.2K PED |
LP-120 | 19K PED | 6.6K PED |
BP-130 | 25K PED | 8.7K PED |
When you see these numbers - Honestly, what are your thoughts? Because this is already some of the prices people have been pulling some of the last remaining items for
and included them in trades etc (Mayhem Resto, for example).
Rare Tokens
The second factor to highlight from this event is how Rare Tokens changed. The legacy boxes gave players a lot of rare tokens and are still doing that. It is not strange that Legacy Boxes kept their prices throughout the whole Resource Mayhem, since players looted Rare tokens as never before (Chronos parts were worth less than Xmas 2023, its the rares people were after).
We can look at the numbers.
Amount of looted Rare tokens, first 8 months 2023: | 253 |
Amount of looted Rare tokens, first 8 months 2024: | 472 |
The amount is high, but not catastrophic. But boxes still remain in the game and the amount of rares dropping is still higher than before.
We are therefore sitting with an empty Mayhem Vendor, and a larger amount of Mtokens and Rare tokens among players than ever before.
Options
Considering the amount of Mayhem tokens in the game now, and to some extent Rare tokens as well - What is the way forward here?
In terms of future restocks, I see several alternatives but no single alternative that is not complicated.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this as well, and if you think I am wrong or whether there are other alternatives.
These are some alternatives I see:
1. MindArk does a normal re-stock, which will be cleaned out immediately. This will lead to a lot of remaining people having no opportunity to pull
items and they will be sitting on large amounts of tokens for a long time.
2. MindArk increases the amount of items to be re-stocked. This will let people pull items but drive down the value of items significantly.
3. MindArk increases the prices in the Mayhem vendor (inflation).
These are just some ideas for possible outcomes I see. Let me know what your views are.
Questions
I will wrap up this post with some questions about all this. Feel free to comment, tell me I am wrong, or provide any opinions you might have on this.
Some of these questions echo what I mentioned above.
- Will there be an incentive to grind normal Mayhem events now, when a lot of people already are sitting on a lot of Mtokens?
- If people pulled 100k Mtokens for every 7K PED, how many Mtokens do you think these players pulled in total?
Remember, the only restraining factor (after bankroll) was the speed/pace they had to sell their Legacy boxes at - And Legacy boxes never stopped selling.
- If anyone could pull Mtokens for 0.2PED/Token simply by purchasing resources from players, how much Mtokens do you think players managed to farm?
- Is the only thing left now stopping the floodgate of vendor pulls the fact that MA controls the Vendor?
- If MA does not re-stock more items than previously, will people be sitting on their Tokens without being able to pull anything?
- If there are larger re-stocks of items to compensate for this, how much in value will items drop?
- Perhaps it is actually a good thing for prices to drop significantly? So that more new players have more options to start playing EU?
Thank you for taking your time to read.
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