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I found my old EU account (PE back when I was active) and I got interested in the Deeds and Shares that have popped up since my time.

After spending a few hours with the game, hunting, looting and getting a long forgotten mini HOF I decided to dig in to the Deeds and the Shares and see what they can do. I have a few hundred PED in my account so nothing major and I am not really interested in adding any more but I wanted to see how it works and "if it is worth it".

This is how far I have come so far:

ItemVolumeCostPayoutExp F/WWeekMonthYearYield on Cost
Arkadia Moon130,000,0120,020,081,043,47%
Arkadia Underground190,000,0140,040,162,082,31%
New Treasure Island19,60,0110,010,040,525,42%

This is a general calculation of the three items I am looking in to. The cost of buying them, how much they pay out, frequency of payout per week and how much this will be per week, month and year. And a Yield on Cost at the end to see whats paying out best at the moment.

The frequency is just estimated and I imagine that it can vary quite a lot and please do let me know if someone have more accurate information here.

Also do let me know if you think I missed something.

I will play around with this for a bit and share my expeirnece in this post going forward.

GLHF!
 
One thing I would like to point out is that with Shares, you cannot escape paying a fee for selling, this annoys me. With Deeds, you could just sell them in private and you wouldn't have to pay a fee.

Also, for me, this type of investment is more interesting as speculation then just a pure passive income generator. So I tend to invest in areas that I see have growth potential and a lot of upside potential.

Areas that are not likely any further development in the short term like CP and Underground, I usually stay away from. Areas that we know are going to have more development soon, like Ark Moon, I invest in.
 
Legends said:
One thing I would like to point out is that with Shares, you cannot escape paying a fee for selling, this annoys me. With Deeds, you could just sell them in private and you wouldn't have to pay a fee.

Also, for me, this type of investment is more interesting as speculation then just a pure passive income generator. So I tend to invest in areas that I see have growth potential and a lot of upside potential.

Areas that are not likely any further development in the short term like CP and Underground, I usually stay away from. Areas that we know are going to have more development soon, like Ark Moon, I invest in.
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But how do you know Ark Moon is going to have more development soon?
 
AxeMurderer said:
But how do you know Ark Moon is going to have more development soon?
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1. When they released the Ark Moon they were very clear that "the story continues on the Ark Moon..." i.e. IFN and Smuggler mission WILL lead to, and continue, on the new Ark Moon.

2. They have stated in recent dev blogs that new content is coming, hopefully before the end of the year.

3. I've been around since 2006 and have been watching how EU has evolved over that time, so there's a certain amount of predictability here; it's somewhat of an educated guess on my part.
 
If you could add Ancient greece shares and CP shares, would be awesome to have that in one view, especially if you update it quarterly! :cowboy:
 
I will get some AG shares but cannot afford CP yet! Hope to update on sundays/mondays. Stay tuned!
 
Hello all noobs, and others.

The first full week of this project is completed and this is my data as of today;

28 Nov - 04 Dec

ItemVolumeCostPayoutExp F/WWeekMonthYearYield on Cost
Arkadia Moon129,000,0120,020,081,043,59%
Arkadia Undergroun177,000,0130,030,121,562,03%
New Treasure Island19,250,0110,010,040,525,62%

The key takeaways from this week are;

1. Arkadia Underground only paid out 3 times which I believe is lower than normal. The price also went down on average from around 90 to 77. The yield is not worth it.

2. NTI paid out once (on monday) and also paid out today. The price slightly dropped as well giving it a very decent 5.62% yield. This is a rate similar to some really popular REITS and Dividend Stocks.

I will run this for another week and see how sustainable NTI is. I will also try to get some AG shares.

So far the Land Deed thing remains interesting and if we can see rates over 5% it is not a bad place to keep your funds that you dont use. Provided that the value of NTI does not drop of course.

Take care all and keep praying to the HOF god!
 
Hello everyone, Im back with the stats for the week

05-11 Dec 2022

ItemVolumeCostPayoutExp F/WWeekMonthYearYield on Cost
Arkadia Moon126,520,0110,010,040,521,96%
Arkadia Undergroun160,980,0120,020,081,041,71%
New Treasure Island19,120,0110,010,040,525,70%
Aincent Greek19,940,0100,000,000,000,00%
Crystal Palace114,90,0100,000,000,000,00%

Here we can see some steady drops in value across the board and no shock there as AG and CP did not pay out and AM only paid out once and AU twice.

NTI if it can keep this up is still a good investment, especially as the price falls. But will it keep paying out?

Happy hoffing this week and ill be back next sunday with an update. I aim to keep this going at least to end of year/Jan.
 
I think you might have posted this before the payout time today.
 
Bones said:
I think you might have posted this before the payout time today.
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Which one do you reffer to? I dont think so.

Also, to clarify. I do monday-sunday chunks.
 
Great post.

Just a small typo: Ancient Greece, not Aincent Greek
 
Also, dont forget that you'll see a much lower payout while there are the bigger events running on other planets. We're currently mid-Mayhem, so for the next 4 weeks, most of the cycle in the game will be happening within those instances.
 
Cookie said:
Which one do you reffer to? I dont think so.

Also, to clarify. I do monday-sunday chunks.
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The Sunday posting was a couple hours before the dividends were added for that day/week , nothing critical as it will even out.
 
I have a question:
So there are 400k Ancient Greece shares that in total pay 50% of the revenue in Ancient Greece.
Does that mean that one share pays 0.000125% of all the hunting/mining/crafting in total that has happened there or just the amount of ped people lost there?
 
Dreamer0210 said:
I have a question:
So there are 400k Ancient Greece shares that in total pay 50% of the revenue in Ancient Greece.
Does that mean that one share pays 0.000125% of all the hunting/mining/crafting in total that has happened there or just the amount of ped people lost there?
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I guess the shares represent 25% of total revenue. If its 50% of the pp share and the pp share is 50% of the total revenue.

It's like starting with 400k x 4 shares. I think that's how it works. Happy to be corrected.

Rick.
 
RickEngland said:
I guess the shares represent 25% of total revenue. If its 50% of the pp share and the pp share is 50% of the total revenue.

It's like starting with 400k x 4 shares. I think that's how it works. Happy to be corrected.

Rick.
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So let me get this straight, if I put 2000 PED in Ancient Greece mobs and I get back idk 1800 PED, does that mean the Planet Partner got(excluding the shares thing):
a) 2000 PED of revenue;
b) 200 PED of revenue. ?
 
The one metric missing with regards to investment consideration is the volatility in price regardless of payout changes. And it's really where the real profit/loss is.

Buying a highly speculative deed/share that pays a paltry 2-3% a year and costs about that much in a fee when you sell is not how you make money. It will take 20-30 years to get your money returned. And during that time if you want to sell sooner small fluctuations in price teamed with the fee you pay could mean you're at a loss.

In general, the real money is made buying during crashes and selling when prices tick up. You'll make way more money doing that than just holding.
 
Dreamer0210 said:
So let me get this straight, if I put 2000 PED in Ancient Greece mobs and I get back idk 1800 PED, does that mean the Planet Partner got(excluding the shares thing):
a) 2000 PED of revenue;
b) 200 PED of revenue. ?
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It's never quite clear what "revenue share" actually means. This is different to a percentage tax on some other deeds.

Although the share of revenue is 50% of the planet partner revenue for all activities on AG.

Maybe revenue is decay, how does MA measure revenue? Same with CLD's which are based on revenue not tax. Either you're happy with what MA pays, or sell 🤣
 
jambon said:
The one metric missing with regards to investment consideration is the volatility in price regardless of payout changes. And it's really where the real profit/loss is.

Buying a highly speculative deed/share that pays a paltry 2-3% a year and costs about that much in a fee when you sell is not how you make money. It will take 20-30 years to get your money returned. And during that time if you want to sell sooner small fluctuations in price teamed with the fee you pay could mean you're at a loss.

In general, the real money is made buying during crashes and selling when prices tick up. You'll make way more money doing that than just holding.
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That's just a different way of saying what I said :sneaky:

Legends said:
One thing I would like to point out is that with Shares, you cannot escape paying a fee for selling, this annoys me. With Deeds, you could just sell them in private and you wouldn't have to pay a fee.

Also, for me, this type of investment is more interesting as speculation then just a pure passive income generator. So I tend to invest in areas that I see have growth potential and a lot of upside potential.

Areas that are not likely any further development in the short term like CP and Underground, I usually stay away from. Areas that we know are going to have more development soon, like Ark Moon, I invest in.
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Happy Monday! Here is this weeks update;

ItemVolumeCostPayoutExp F/WWeekMonthYearYield on Cost
Arkadia Moon129,110,0110,010,040,521,79%
Arkadia Undergroun180,290,0120,020,081,041,30%
New Treasure Island19,490,0100,000,000,000,00%
Aincent Greek19,90,0100,000,000,000,00%
Crystal Palace114,980,0100,000,000,000,00%

A really poor week regarding payours and it shows in the prices. I will soon have enough data to do some graphs regarding the price.

Nice to see that there are some discussions above in the thread and while I agree that trading the Deeds is likely to pay more (provided that you know how to time the market) this thread is all about the Run Dividends and Yields it brings.

Good to see that today, Monday, both Crystal Palace and NTI paid out so we are already looking at a better week.

I guess the activity goes down during the holidays so this volatility is probably to be expected.

Merry Christmas all!
 
Zitti said:
pretty crazy ppl are ok with 2-5% yearly return.
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especially when mindark takes such a big chunk if cashing out.

Shit even robinhood does 4% interest rate right now for Robinhood gold, Only $5 a month

And their freaking Robinhoob. I'm sure theres many better
 
Angela Draniie Cloud said:
especially when mindark takes such a big chunk if cashing out.

Shit even robinhood does 4% interest rate right now for Robinhood gold, Only $5 a month

And their freaking Robinhoob. I'm sure theres many better
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at the moment the stock market is crap. It may turn around as it wasn't too bad about a year ago, but we'll see. Currently 3-5% IS better roi than many stocks that were doing a lot better rates a year or two ago. That will likely change, but how long it will take, well, we'll see.

Side Note - it's really dumb that Mindark still has a "My Shares:" section under "My Account" on the website since that was what was used to buy shares of certain things in the past, but they never removed that area after the sale, so on the online website it looks like there's nothing there even if you have plenty of actual shares purchased in game, etc. Just plainly sill since it makes folks think they own no shares when indeed they might. ... almost but not quite false advertising in a way really...
 
mastermesh said:
Side Note - it's really dumb that Mindark still has a "My Shares:" section under "My Account" on the website since that was what was used to buy shares of certain things in the past, but they never removed that area after the sale, so on the online website it looks like there's nothing there even if you have plenty of actual shares purchased in game, etc. Just plainly sill since it makes folks think they own no shares when indeed they might. ... almost but not quite false advertising in a way really...
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This works for me.
 
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mastermesh said:
at the moment the stock market is crap. It may turn around as it wasn't too bad about a year ago, but we'll see. Currently 3-5% IS better roi than many stocks that were doing a lot better rates a year or two ago. That will likely change, but how long it will take, well, we'll see.

Side Note - it's really dumb that Mindark still has a "My Shares:" section under "My Account" on the website since that was what was used to buy shares of certain things in the past, but they never removed that area after the sale, so on the online website it looks like there's nothing there even if you have plenty of actual shares purchased in game, etc. Just plainly sill since it makes folks think they own no shares when indeed they might. ... almost but not quite false advertising in a way really...
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regular US treasury bills pays around 4% with zero risk (almost zero) Or even your bank's short term CD is 4% is rising, expectation is be around 5.5% near end of 2023. The return on EU shares is quite low in relation to the risk carried on comparable
 
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Hello fellow Entropians!

This is the data from last week (one day delayed due to christmas).

ItemVolumeCostPayoutExp F/WWeekMonthYearYield on Cost
Arkadia Moon130,610,0110,010,040,521,70%
Arkadia Undergroun181,170,0130,030,121,561,92%
New Treasure Island19,870,0110,010,040,525,27%
Aincent Greek19,90,0100,000,000,000,00%
Crystal Palace115,750,0110,010,040,523,30%

A much better week where CP paid out for the first time. Generally all prices went up as well.

AG also Paid out, but yesterday so it will be added to next week's tracker. I guess with Merry Mayhem at Calypso calming down we will see a better spread of Run Dividends.

So far it feels like NTI still is the best and Share/Deed to buy.

Wishing you all a happy new year!
 
I gathered more month infos from April until July, you can see table below

DATEINCOME (ped)SUMAVGdaily avg / week (ped)daily avg / week / deed (pec)Daily avg / Month / deed (pec)PIECES OF DEED
2023-04-01​
0.28​
0.28​
0.28​
28​
2023-04-02​
0.81​
1.09​
0.55​
28​
2023-04-03​
0.56​
1.65​
0.55​
28​
2023-04-04​
0.28​
1.93​
0.48​
28​
2023-04-05​
0.56​
2.49​
0.50​
28​
2023-04-06​
0.28​
2.77​
0.46​
28​
2023-04-07​
0.00​
2.77​
0.40​
0.461.64
28​
2023-04-08​
0.28​
3.05​
0.38​
28​
2023-04-09​
0.00​
3.05​
0.34​
28​
2023-04-10​
0.00​
3.05​
0.31​
28​
2023-04-11​
0.28​
3.33​
0.30​
28​
2023-04-12​
0.25​
3.58​
0.30​
28​
2023-04-13​
0.00​
3.58​
0.28​
28​
2023-04-14​
0.28​
3.86​
0.28​
0.311.11
28​
2023-04-15​
0.00​
3.86​
0.26​
28​
2023-04-16​
0.28​
4.14​
0.26​
28​
2023-04-17​
0.28​
4.42​
0.26​
28​
2023-04-18​
0.00​
4.42​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-19​
0.28​
4.70​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-20​
0.25​
4.95​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-21​
0.25​
5.20​
0.25​
0.250.90
28​
2023-04-22​
0.28​
5.48​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-23​
0.28​
5.76​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-24​
0.25​
6.01​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-25​
0.28​
6.29​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-26​
0.28​
6.57​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-27​
0.28​
6.85​
0.25​
28​
2023-04-28​
0.00​
6.85​
0.24​
0.250.89
28​
2023-04-29​
0.81​
7.66​
0.26​
28​
2023-04-30​
0.28​
7.94​
0.26​
0.95
28​
2023-05-01​
0.56​
8.50​
0.27​
28​
2023-05-02​
0.00​
8.50​
0.27​
28​
2023-05-03​
0.28​
8.78​
0.27​
28​
2023-05-04​
0.28​
9.06​
0.27​
28​
2023-05-05​
0.28​
9.34​
0.27​
0.270.95
28​
2023-05-06​
0.28​
9.62​
0.27​
28​
2023-05-07​
0.28​
9.90​
0.27​
28​
2023-05-08​
0.81​
10.71​
0.28​
28​
2023-05-09​
0.28​
10.99​
0.28​
28​
2023-05-10​
0.56​
11.55​
0.29​
28​
2023-05-11​
0.81​
12.36​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-12​
0.28​
12.64​
0.30​
0.281.02
28​
2023-05-13​
0.28​
12.92​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-14​
0.28​
13.20​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-15​
0.28​
13.48​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-16​
0.28​
13.76​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-17​
0.00​
13.76​
0.29​
28​
2023-05-18​
0.28​
14.04​
0.29​
28​
2023-05-19​
0.28​
14.32​
0.29​
0.301.06
28​
2023-05-20​
0.53​
14.85​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-21​
0.28​
15.13​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-22​
0.28​
15.41​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-23​
0.28​
15.69​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-24​
0.56​
16.25​
0.30​
28​
2023-05-25​
0.56​
16.81​
0.31​
28​
2023-05-26​
0.28​
17.09​
0.31​
0.301.07
28​
2023-05-27​
0.56​
17.65​
0.31​
28​
2023-05-28​
0.81​
18.46​
0.32​
28​
2023-05-29​
0.56​
19.02​
0.32​
28​
2023-05-30​
0.56​
19.58​
0.33​
28​
2023-05-31​
0.28​
19.86​
0.33​
1.37
28​
2023-06-01​
0.28​
20.14​
0.32​
28​
2023-06-02​
0.56​
20.70​
0.33​
0.321.15
28​
2023-06-03​
0.38​
21.08​
0.33​
28​
2023-06-04​
0.28​
21.36​
0.33​
28​
2023-06-05​
0.84​
22.20​
0.34​
28​
2023-06-06​
0.28​
22.48​
0.34​
28​
2023-06-07​
0.28​
22.76​
0.33​
28​
2023-06-08​
0.56​
23.32​
0.34​
28​
2023-06-09​
0.28​
23.60​
0.34​
0.331.01
33​
2023-06-10​
0.33​
23.93​
0.34​
33​
2023-06-11​
0.66​
24.59​
0.34​
33​
2023-06-12​
1.32​
25.91​
0.35​
33​
2023-06-13​
0.33​
26.24​
0.35​
33​
2023-06-14​
0.66​
26.90​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-15​
0.33​
27.23​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-16​
0.33​
27.56​
0.36​
0.351.07
33​
2023-06-17​
0.33​
27.89​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-18​
0.66​
28.55​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-19​
0.33​
28.88​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-20​
0.66​
29.54​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-21​
0.33​
29.87​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-22​
0.33​
30.20​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-23​
0.33​
30.53​
0.36​
0.361.10
33​
2023-06-24​
0.33​
30.86​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-25​
0.33​
31.19​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-26​
0.33​
31.52​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-27​
0.33​
31.85​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-28​
0.33​
32.18​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-29​
0.33​
32.51​
0.36​
33​
2023-06-30​
0.33​
32.84​
0.36​
0.361.101.55
33​

And here is the ROI %
bought 'x'on price (ped)SUMSUM+AVGMonth% roi of avg purchase price% roi predicted annual (including prev. month's roi)
28752100210075January
583415251576.21February
0251576.21March
April
0.378095​
4.537142857​
May
0.540572​
5.512004837​
June
0.608265​
6.107728682​
 
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