DYNAMIC epic fail

[Brooklyn]

Secret memo
gotten by secret means
Marco's statment
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Due to overwhelming negative response and bad press, no matter what the event, or whether people win or lose, get an item or not get an item, we have decided not to run any more events. From here on in all events will be run and sponsored by players, we will only provide the space and the advertising.

I conjunction with this and because of the negative overreactions to the dropping of items and their misperceived confusing effects on the loot pool...

All loots, globals and hofs will be what you could expect from an activity, for example in hunting, that would be oils, hides, bones, DNA, meat and a collector’s item of the bones of dead Ava’s. Meat will now be introduced as eating will be required to keep your AVA in top condition. In addition there will be an and end to non-looters with a corresponding reduction/re-balancing of the loot to reflect that. All new and old items will be introduced into the loot pool by way of blueprints and manufacturing. All TT’d items will be converted into base materials to recycled through the system from the bottom up. Ammunition will now be manufactured and sold only in shops and at auctions or private sale. Each AVA will recieve a free gift of free Ammo blueprint.

All our efforts will now be focused improving the game play and building an economy that looks and feels like an economy and not a gamblers paradise or to be judged by your overwhelming negative responses… a dynamicabolical HELL.

Best wishes and good dynamic hunting…

MARCO and the balancing team.

Special note: As a final parting gesture in our last ditch effort to appease the player base
Brooklyn: Because of your continued unquestioned blind loyalty expressed as blindfaith, insightful insights... We have now blindsided you with an ironic act of sacrificial blindfate... by putting a bounty on your head.... all items now left in the systems….will be given to the first person to PK you on any planet in our positively expanding universe… if after 1 year you are still alive… it all goes to you.

In our final
Golden Age.
“One Parting Shot/One Parting Potshot”
Gift to ALL

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[AlexWhite]

OK I don't know if thats only me but the spirit of so called DYNAMIC loot died for me with its soul and is HUGE failer.




EDIT
... And this is the very reason (players opinion) why I say the loot system is far from it perfectness and need some update.

Thought the same things yesterday when I saw looting SGA items..what a *surpise* at the end !

 

[Menace]

Well.... I sincerely hope MindArk|FPC made enough money during this SGA to make up for the apprx. 6k U.S./year they won't be getting from me anymore.

Good luck in-world all!


Menace

 

[kygon]

dynamic = ass fucking, oh and seemingly these days new feature = ass fucking oh and new mob = ass fucking

 

[Stutoman]

No matter how many people who deposit thousands of USD a year leave the places and players will just be replenished i'm afraid. New people for them to dissapoint. That was one of the reasons they sold CP.

 

[florin]

Hell F****n TRUE !!!

 

[octo]

No matter how many people who deposit thousands of USD a year leave the places and players will just be replenished i'm afraid. New people for them to dissapoint. That was one of the reasons they sold CP.

That's true in some way, but since they still haven't made it easy for people to download and then patch this game I can't see a huge influx of players as happened after TI & CND were sold.

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[Fjolla]

I was about to make the same kind of post ...

What did happen yesterday and today is just one more proof that EU is not a casino. It's just a poker table where the banker decides who wins what and when.

And that's why im quitting. A few people get's everything and the rest get's an assrape.

In rl atleast i don't have to pay to get angry lol.

Though i wonder who will buy all those worthless "uberitems" since most seems to agree that gear/skills/knowledge is not the key to success any more ..

 

[HybOj]

subscribing and curious if Marco or someone else form MA /FPC have balls to explain that!

Then i will made my decision stay or not

yea, would be interrested in it too.

 

[HybOj]

Ok,

time to stop whining on bad place!

Write support cases to really let em know.

I did that.

 

[Fjolla]

Ok,

time to stop whining on bad place!

Write support cases to really let em know.

I did that.

And you will get the standard copy n' paste

"We can only reveal as much as that the system is operating the same for all participants, meaning that all avatars have the same basic conditions when they join the Entropia Universe. The trick is to find out how to optimize your own situation by getting to understand the economy, the market forces and how to match skills and equipment efficiently."

If u come with any form of criticism, constructive or not, it seems they don't even bother to read it.

 

[Talania]

A little off topic but not far......

Helped a Society mate hunt Feffoid during MM along with several others from RoR. Not one single Angel armor dropped and we were killing very many. I checked the auction and only saw one Angel armor part that was not SGA on the last day of MM.

Does that mean MA/FPC changed the loot rate on them for the event to 0% chance???

 

[slupor]

Just one word to describe the discovery list from yesterday: sickening.

And it will be worse once MA/FPC officials start tapdancing around this one to explain what cannot be explained.

Can someone please linkback this thread to FUBAR?

I think Fluske is not the only hardcore hunter that is going to vote with his pedcard.

/Slupor

 

[Rutabaga]

Forget the whole "dynamic loot / random number" business - yes, it never is TRULY random, but a RNG is random enough for the human mind to think it's random... BUT



Do you really think MA would design a "truly random loot system"? One where, theoretically, everyone could uberhof-ATH at the same time?

Of course not. Casinos have unlimited funds - they don't mind if a bunch of huge jackpots pay out at once. MA is not a casino with unlimited funds.

(Heck, after this event, soon they might not have any funds at all)

I'd like to hear what the new owner of CP thinks about this whole fiasco... not gonna be good for business up there!

And, as previously stated somewhere in this thread, MA probably won't say schitt since it would reveal too much about the inner workings of the loot system.


STARTING NEW GROUP!

EA - Entropians Anonymous!
12 step program!
I've been clean for 3 months (vu 10), you can do it too!!!

 

[Lorfat]

The end date maybe was the last date that they put items into the loot, rather than the last date items got looted?

According to MA/FPC, the loot is generated the moment you do the 'loot action', hence these items were clearly generated/looted after the announced end date for the event.

 

[Rayne Jade]

According to MA/FPC, the loot is generated the moment you do the 'loot action', hence these items were clearly generated/looted after the announced end date for the event.

True, loot is generated at the time of looting. However, I think there are other factors involved.

1) Item must be flagged as "available" in the queue.
2) Correct mob must be killed.
3) Value of loot must be equal to greater than the item in the queue.

Of course, no one is certain how it all works... but that would make some sense to me.

 

[Dragon Moon]

A little off topic but not far......

Helped a Society mate hunt Feffoid during MM along with several others from RoR. Not one single Angel armor dropped and we were killing very many. I checked the auction and only saw one Angel armor part that was not SGA on the last day of MM.

The SGA angel arms I've seen being reported on the forum, including mine, were all dropped from Molisk, IIRR.

Molisk dropped SGA shogun feet too, and I looted about 6 pairs of them over the first two SGA months....then suddenly SGA loot from Molisk stopped for me for the rest of SGA. Food for thought.....

 

[kygon]

Ok,

time to stop whining on bad place!

Write support cases to really let em know.

I did that.

yea like that will make a diff. did you get the default copy and past ... "we have ignored whatever you typed and sent this BS reesponse to stop you sending more support cases on the subject and sent an email to the 'pile of stuff we should look at if we gave a fuck pile.oh have a great day and dont forget deposit big to take part in our totally player fair merry christmas MA present, ahem i mean mayhem"

 

[JohnCapital]

This would be an optimistic scenario but I`m afraid it didn`t happen like that. I think the balance manager or whomever is in charge drops these manually like Gandalf says. Guy basically forgot to put all the SGA in the drops.

I think you misunderstood.

The items are placed into the loot database manually, of course. However I believe the drop/loot process is automated and for some reason, many pieces had their loot difficulty settings too high, so they never dropped.

 

[LostInEntropia]

you want it random but that means that everyone has equal chance, and then it's simply gambling. MA clearly says it isn't gambling. So MA admits that loot isn't distributed randomly but on their own terms.

I challenge Marco and every EU PR man at MA office to come here and declare that everyone has equal chance of looting X item or get ATH. That simply will never happen.

I got a lot of of msg after my posts and I need to add a few things and thoughts.

No I do not try to hurt Entropia and its reputation actually the opposite. I would love if someone reads it and make some conclusions out of it.

Now coming to the most important loot distribution system. It is a money based game so such things as end of SGA should have never happened. There are many theories how the loot system works but it is not the point anymore. It just must be random! When I studied computer science I was told there are actually no random numbers when it comes to computers. All algorithms base on data, hour, date or any other numbers and basic on those "calcing" the so called random number. Maybe this is a problem here I don't know. What I know for a fact that MA should focus on this matter and just fix it. There is no better commercial as happy customers (players). I have enough of whining posts which I have to agree with. Moreover I am sad when huge icons of the game leave Entropia behind.

Summing up loot system is a most important one. Reading people comments it is clear that many tends to think it is not a fair system. And this is the very reason (players opinion) why I say the loot system is far from it perfectness, randomness and need some update.

 

[Miles]

Parallel Universe Report

I just checked out the Entropia Alternate Universe Forum, and you wouldn't believe it. Everybody is freaking out because AMA (Alternate Mind Ark) screwed up the end of the ASGA. When the ASGA ended, only one piece of the ASGA edition of the Uber "Ion" Armor set had dropped. Despite the continued efforts of the EAU's most uber hunters to loot the prized items, no additional Ion ASGA pieces ever dropped.

Cries of "Rip-Off", "Fraud", "AMA S*cks Ass" and "I'm chipping out" are ringing from one end of AEF to the other. Everyone is up in arms; "How could they not drop complete sets, that is BS." and "If they didn't drop in time, why didn't they just leave them in the loot tables." and "We've been loosing tens of thousands of APED's hunting for these items, and AMA just pulled the plug on us."

You should hear them rant and rave.



Miles

 

[Rayne Jade]

you want it random but that means that everyone has equal chance, and then it's simply gambling. MA clearly says it isn't gambling. So MA admits that loot isn't distributed randomly but on their own terms.

I challenge Marco and every EU PR man at MA office to come here and declare that everyone has equal chance of looting X item or get ATH. That simply will never happen.

Of course that will not happen, because we already know that is not the case. We have seen Chompers drop the UL Assassin rifles... right? Can everyone kill a Chomper...? NO. This is these types of myths that get everyone expecting something from FPC. It simply is not like that. Many people think it should be like that, so they cry foul about it... claiming (wrongfully) that FPC is ripping them off. But coming to grips with the way the game is set up is paramount to enjoying it even a little. Having expectations of getting a 100K Daspletor are just unrealistic.

LostInEntropia, I am not picking on you... but your post is symbolic about how so many people think. I just used it as an example... it's not personal.

 

[Jambor]

I just checked out the Entropia Alternate Universe Forum, and you wouldn't believe it. Everybody is freaking out because AMA (Alternate Mind Ark) screwed up the end of the ASGA. When the ASGA ended, only one piece of the ASGA edition of the Uber "Ion" Armor set had dropped. Despite the continued efforts of the EAU's most uber hunters to loot the prized items, no additional Ion ASGA pieces ever dropped.

Cries of "Rip-Off", "Fraud", "AMA S*cks Ass" and "I'm chipping out" are ringing from one end of AEF to the other. Everyone is up in arms; "How could they not drop complete sets, that is BS." and "If they didn't drop in time, why didn't they just leave them in the loot tables." and "We've been loosing tens of thousands of APED's hunting for these items, and AMA just pulled the plug on us."

You should hear them rant and rave.



Miles

I think that MA made a misstake and had to hurry to distrubute the last items which if you look at this screen shows same person getting 3 or more of them. That they did it to correct it prolly.

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[Lorfat]

True, loot is generated at the time of looting. However, I think there are other factors involved.

1) Item must be flagged as "available" in the queue.
2) Correct mob must be killed.
3) Value of loot must be equal to greater than the item in the queue.

Of course, no one is certain how it all works... but that would make some sense to me.

I don't say otherwise. All I'm saying is that, no matter how it works, MA/FPC did it too late!

All those mobs were hunted during the SGA period, so I see no reason (other than a 'mistake' from MA/FPC) for those items to have been looted after the Event was supposed to be over (according to official announcement).

Having said this, I take the opportunity to congratulate the players who looted these items, as it's quite an achievement and they are not responsible for MA/FPC's mistakes.

 

[Miles]

I think that MA made a misstake and had to hurry to distrubute the last items which if you look at this screen shows same person getting 3 or more of them. That they did it to correct it prolly.

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Yes, although I think that it was some sort of drop-by-date rule that triggered the flood ( part of the SGA item loot rule set).

Once items go into the tables, I believe loot happens based on the system without any overt control by MA. That makes me a bit of Deist, I guess. Even though it is a bit screwed up either way, I say far better to have dropped the items late than not at all.

If you reed the lucky looters Discovery thread, you'll see that he, among others, quite reasonably figured there were still some big items left to drop and went after them with a vengeance - as any avatar was free to do. He simply combined his clear thinking with some excellent (and long overdue) luck. You know what they say though - "Luck favors the well prepared."



Miles

 

[Chery Lady]

I am not pro skilled gamer in Entropia but i know enough about the whole game that i could responde to your post. Like ur self sayd: If none understand or like my post please skip it, since this is forums and we all disscussing about all the things i have right to responde.

So... The things you sayd, that the whole system loot is sh*t, dynamic is not dynamic etc etc...
Yes, i got to agree with you for 99%... THE SGA event is real BS, no one understands how it works, no one will except Marco or any other MA worker... But... The words your wrote made me responde to this post "I am not quiting, nor selling out nor stop playing".... This is the main thing man.
No matter how loot is fuk*d up, no matter if u got SGA item after 10k ped ammo spend or not... The thing is you never quit... Well yea, many peoples quited but you think that makes a big difference betwen MA cears and MA dont cears ?
The point i am trying to say that no matter how much everything is fuk*d up, MA will allways have players in theyr own created game which will allways bring them profit. Peoples are ALLWAYS complaining, allways whining bothering about bad loot, bad return, big looses in theyr proffesions... But... They, are complaining, not quiting which means ppls are havning looses but still bringing MA profit. All the peoples around are Hoping... some peoples are playing for 3-5 years and more and STILL are hoping to get an uber item, a huge HOF, ATH... Same like you... Me... or any other who have installed Entropia to theyr PC's

 

[Arkonen]

Once items go into the tables, I believe loot happens based on the system without any overt control by MA. That makes me a bit of Deist, I guess. Even though it is a bit screwed up either way, I say far better to have dropped the items late than not at all.

Miles ... you can believe what you want, so can i.
You don't know anything about how the loot system works, neither am i.

The facts are that at least 13 items (14 if i count today's SGA warthog 3) were discovered after the official end date of an event. This is clearly a mistake ! Be it a manual or an automatic one ... i personaly don't care.

The only think i am certain of ... is that we all deserve an official explanation and the assurance that "they" will make sure it does not happen anymore.

We are all involved in a RCE and we all deserve a certain "level of service" for a service we all pay with real money.

 

[Miles]

Miles ... you can believe what you want, so can i.
You don't know anything about how the loot system works, neither am i.

The facts are that at least 13 items (14 if i count today's SGA warthog 3) were discovered after the official end date of an event. This is clearly a mistake ! Be it a manual or an automatic one ... i personaly don't care.

The only think i am certain of ... is that we all deserve an official explanation and the assurance that "they" will make sure it does not happen anymore.

We are all involved in a RCE and we all deserve a certain "level of service" for a service we all pay with real money.

What exactly should not happen any more? That MA never screws up anything, even a bit. I'll expect that once I achieve perfection myself. I have never said it was not a screw up - but hardly an epic one. Not unless you believe MA has complete and specific control over outcomes, in which case they are simply incapable of running their own system. Far more likely is that the system is hard to control precisely because they don't control specific outcomes.

Yes, we are all entitled to our beliefs, and I am careful to make that point when I state mine. It is a black box and we will never know what goes on inside it, however...

The fact that items are still dropping despite the event having officially ended supports my beliefs far better than those of conspiracy theorists (not saying you are one). MA appears to have a system where they control balancing (for better or worse) without having control of specific loot outcomes, which is a good thing.

For as incompetent/evil as so many claim MA to be, the thing I can't believe is that so many people thought that no more SGA items would drop after the 30th. I don't find that in any way surprising. Maybe if more people were thinking clearly, rather than having some sort of blind faith in MA's end date, there would have been more people in on the after-party looting.




Miles

 

[Lavawalker]

Other than all the dilemmas that are occuring with a poorly implemented system to cater for events with event reward assessment and distribution in an event period;

And the royal screwing around of clients and their investments - Land Owners, Shop Owners (Deer Mall), Apartment building placement post VU10 ... etc

What will interest me more ... well amuse me in a cynical manner to be honest is the end of 2009 financial report where both MindArk and FPC will detail how fantastic the business operation is and how so much progress is being made ...

With how deposits were increased by a whopping factor of X, revenues went through the roof by a factor of Y ...

And all in all not detailing the royal fuckups in the process of procuring these results.

Unfortunately for those not following the progress of the business and day to day modus operandi of what has come to pass, MindArk and FPC will look gold and shiny on paper, fiscal reports PR & results wise.

Alas, this will not keep up forever at this rate. The organisation has suffered multiple massive hits to its good will and will need to turn this around quickly to recover 'at a healthy rate' - Gaming community social networking perspective. (Potential future clientele)

I do hope things change eventually for the better so that such reports can be held in high regard by MindArk & FPC rather than being hollow and not to find a better terms - lacking ethic.

This is the day I look forward to - Where I can be proud to be a part of the success of the service offering provided rather than being ashamed of what MindArk & FPC have achieved with attached ethical standard and poor modus operandi in procuring such results.

On a final note,

I do have faith that MindArk, FPC & Entropia Universe will improve over the long haul. Sure they are slow to learn anything of fucking value to help their cause, however effort is being demonstrated their end and they are slowly starting to see the error of their ways in what is and is not working in 'their' implementation of the RCE concept;

Even if it is hidden much of the time under the falsehood of loving drama or in silence while people vent.

~ Sparkz

 

[TheGreatest]

For as incompetent/evil as so many claim MA to be, the thing I can't believe is that so many people thought that no more SGA items would drop after the 30th.

Do you know the purpose of a deadline?
In the professional world, deadlines have a purpose.
Being that Mindark is trying to pass itself off as a bank, I expect professionalism.