Entropia Universe - Gambling addiction

[Che]

As I read some threads here from ppl who are loosing lots of money - but can't afford that, I asked myself if there should be a necessary precaution for people who are pathological gambler.

What do u think about such a feature, implanted in the software?

 

[PW3CKA]

necessary precaution for people who are pathological gambler.

What do u think about such a feature, implanted in the software?

What do you mean by this ? Software, Feature ?

 

[Rentonx]

i take 300 PED/ hour

i'm more better for value plus i can prescribe drugs too - im a better choice people!

 

[Kamarkos Danix]

Hmmmm.

As someone once said :

Don't deposit what you can't afford to lose !

this is an inportant principle to not to lose much money.

well unfortunaly it's really hard to profit from the start in EU, basicaly all the times (when playing in a low level) there's loss, no profit.

but it's possible to get decent loot with weak mobs (i once got a Emik S50(L) 20 PED tt, sold 22 PED, from a Berycled, but i was using a full set of Pixie armor and a Breer m1a, so it wasn't a n00bie hunt ). And it's also possible to get decent sized deposits in mining (i got a IX lyst with the paysafe orefinder, in the first run (20 PED)), but it's still really rare, and i never had a global, so

Maybe, i guess people with that problem shouldn't play EU in a really risky way. There are not so risky ways to profit in game. like doing services and trading, but that takes time

 

[Brooklyn]

There is help for free

http://www.olganon.org/​

Mission Statement: On-Line Gamers Anonymous is a fellowship of people sharing their experience, strengths and hope to help each other recover and heal from the problems caused by excessive game playing.

 

[Che]

There is help for free

http://www.olganon.org/​

Mission Statement: On-Line Gamers Anonymous is a fellowship of people sharing their experience, strengths and hope to help each other recover and heal from the problems caused by excessive game playing.

Well good idea, but when u are restricted by software it's like killing the cause and not just after u lost to much money make some bandaging.

It's always better to eliminate the perpetrator, than to cure wounds afterwards...

p.s. is your sig about the darkness?

 

[Kattfres]

I don't think MA would help with gambling addiction, since they have stated that EU is not gambling

 

[E.K.x]

but i was using a full set of Pixie armor and a Breer m1a, so it wasn't a n00bie hunt ).

lol,

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I think there is a large pull in Entropia, similar to that of Gambling games such as a slot machine or online poker, and that obviously, is hitting that big jackpot.

I think alot of people need to (re)approach Entropia with a more relaxed, game environment feeling.

 

[Che]

Well it's definitely a computer game, where u can lose (or maybe win) money...

 

[Sian87]

its a game. well gambling is a game too hehe

 

[Falagor]

There is help for free

http://www.olganon.org/​

Thats not good for me 20/46 on the test on that site for me . I am addicted to games .

Back on topic:

I asked myself if there should be a necessary precaution for people who are pathological gambler.

Like some kind of box when installing the game: "[ ] <- check this box if you might be addicted to gambling etc". And if checked the game does not let you use more than <specified> number of peds each day? I do not think it will work. It is not in MA interest to do this and the person who is really addicted would make seccond acount (if he was desperate enough ;P).

Falagor

 

[Che]

I don't know which kind of prevention is the best.

Maybe only an account with credit card number (Maybe stops multiaccounting)
If u deposit more than 2000 USD per month u have to prove that u earn more than that...

Well sounds like a lot of bureaucracy - ok just let them depsoit all there money

 

[Brooklyn]

Well good idea, but when u are restricted by software it's like killing the cause and not just after u lost to much money make some bandaging.

It's always better to eliminate the perpetrator, than to cure wounds afterwards...

p.s. is your sig about the darkness?

Actually I've been proposing that the loot be balanced more toward establishing a working economy and less to towards feeding the gambling addictions of people who are treating this like a casino...

They, FPC, are responding, not to me, but to their own desires... as Marco says they will be eliminating the no loot aspect of the game.... which I hope means lower but consistant minimum finds like at least 1 hide... 2 animal muscle oil and and a couple teeth or bones... also the balancing manager says farming, as I've been advocating, will be introduced...

"Post 270
Are there any plans to introduce farms in the game, or farming licenses?
Submitted by Dusk

Yes."
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/mindark-news/66126-q-answers-may-07-a.html​

I see big fundamental changes in the nature of play that will mitigate and take the gambling mentality out of EU...

As far as my sig it is a direct reference to how I feel about being on this forum...

 

[kygon]

from what I know if you happen to be down alot there is increased chance of bigger loots, I've seen ATH's from people who have lost loads.

I belive there is zero chance of this if you play gambling games like roulettee , poker etc.

but slots = crafting

 

[Chery Lady]

As I read some threads here from ppl who are loosing lots of money - but can't afford that, I asked myself if there should be a necessary precaution for people who are pathological gambler.

What do u think about such a feature, implanted in the software?

It's 21st century... Everything is about computers... programs etc etc.
There are made thousands ( milions? ) games that you can play for free.
Then why stay in one game that you loose money and all you can do is not have funn and enjoy the game but just whinning about it. (I sayd YOU not meaning you - Che )
Noone is making us play the game that we don't wannt you. So if theres a problem with a game, go play another one
Just my toughts about alll the whining that the game is stupid
Cheers!
Cherry

 

[Chery Lady]

I belive there is zero chance of this if you play gambling games like roulettee , poker etc.

Naaah Poker is just about bleffing and veeery well know about the game and your oponents other side the table
You will never loose in poker if you are master of your self at poker table by bleffing

Another toght!
GL !

 

[sdragonfire]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5GACCIzzzc[/YOUTUBE]
so skill DOES matter

 

[kygon]

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5GACCIzzzc[/YOUTUBE]
so skill DOES matter

in UK ones yes but I was shocked in vegas to find literally 4 buttons on one, compared to the average 40-100 on uk ones lol

 

[Thorn]

There will never be a barrier to those who want to spend more time and money they can afford other than their deposit limit. And a phone call can change that. Then the limit is how much money they are able to come up with. Almost laughable but of course I can`t laugh at a legitimate question or concern. In this world today people don`t care if you live or die as long as they can make a buck off of it.

Example:

Taken from the proxy vote statement from one of my rl accounts.

The board of directors/trustees of each applicable fund recommends that you vote "FOR" proposals 1-7 and "AGAINST" proposal 8.

Proposal 8 - To consider a proposal submitted by shareholders of certain funds that requests the Board of these funds to "institute procedures to prevent holding investments in companies that, in the judgement of the Board, substantially cintribute to genocide or crimes against humanity, the most egregarious violations of human rights."

Get fucking real! I could`nt believe I was reading that. Needless to say the money is coming out of the fund with a nice letter to the Board of rotten souless bastards!

 

[Che]

It's 21st century... Everything is about computers... programs etc etc.
There are made thousands ( milions? ) games that you can play for free.
Then why stay in one game that you loose money and all you can do is not have funn and enjoy the game but just whinning about it. (I sayd YOU not meaning you - Che )
Noone is making us play the game that we don't wannt you. So if theres a problem with a game, go play another one
Just my toughts about alll the whining that the game is stupid
Cheers!
Cherry

If I don't want to play a game, wether because of the gameplay or something else, I will quit. But the thought of this thread was driven by my social responsibility.

If MA or FPC just helps one gambler not to lose all his money with some software implanted restriction, I think they could sleep better (If they sleep anyway right know - or just programming night and day to get rid of bugs )

For me EU is the best "game" I ever played - well Curse of Azure Bonds - wasn't bad at all

 

[Sidney]

As I read some threads here from ppl who are loosing lots of money - but can't afford that, I asked myself if there should be a necessary precaution for people who are pathological gambler.

What do u think about such a feature, implanted in the software?

omg there we have a person who wants to decide things for other people.



why don't u go and become a politician.
people in this game that deposit are old enough to decide for them selves.
if they don't spend it in here they will most likely spend it elsewhere.
so let people do what they want.
and don't stick ur nose in other mature people's thing's.

there are no little depositing kid's here that need u taking care of them.


sorry but i just had to say it, launguage vomit was coming up

 

[Che]

omg there we have a person who wants to decide things for other people.



why don't u go and become a politician.
people in this game that deposit are old enough to decide for them selves.
if they don't spend it in here they will most likely spend it elsewhere.
so let people do what they want.
and don't stick ur nose in other mature people's thing's.

there are no little depositing kid's here that need u taking care of them.


sorry but i just had to say it, launguage vomit was coming up

launguage vomit -
Well every person has his own opinion - maybe I'm to social thinking

 

[Deity A]

Why not make a website EUdetox (in analogy to another game) where people can post their experience.
It would be a better thing for so many reasons; but it would be a thorn in the eye of MA.

really, think about it.

 

[alh]

Here in sweden we have state owned casinos.
In those you can "shut yourself out" if you feel you have a gambling problem.
It actually works surprisingly well I have heard...

Now shutting yourself out might be a bit drastic, but having an option to put in an optional limit on how much you want to be able to lose each month might be a good idea...

The argument "just don't deposit more then you feel you can lose" doesn't work unfortunatly, and only shows ignorance on what "gambling addiction" is all about. Its like telling a heroinist "just don't buy any heroin" but at the same time put a heroin vending machine outside his house...

Most people does not have a problem to limit their spending, but for those that do, an option like this could be good...

 

[stuffystuffy]

Here in sweden we have state owned casinos.
In those you can "shut yourself out" if you feel you have a gambling problem.
It actually works surprisingly well I have heard...

Now shutting yourself out might be a bit drastic, but having an option to put in an optional limit on how much you want to be able to loose each month might be a good idea...

The argument "just don't deposit more then you feel you can loose" doesn't work unfortunatly, and only shows ignorance on what "gambling addiction" is all about. Its like telling a heroinist "just don't buy any heroin" but at the same time put a heroin vending machine outside his house...

Most people does not have a problem to limit their spending, but for those that do, an option like this could be good...

I think that is a really good idea. If you feel like you are having a problem with gambling on EU, you submit to MA that you don't want to pay more than 10 dollars a month. Then the system doesn't let you deposit more than 10 dollars and you've solved your problem more or less.

The other issue is that EU isn't a skill based game. If the game became more skill oriented this might solve the gambling issue. Although it might make the game more addicting and have the opposite effect. An analogy is if a casino got rid of slots and replaced it with texas hold em.

 

[Mikass]

launguage vomit -
Well every person has his own opinion - maybe I'm to social thinking

You don`t need the state to come and butt spank you for whatever reasons, of let`s say exiting some typical "code of normality" BS.

Brain needs a substance called Dopamine to make one feel good.

Dopamine is released under certain circumstances of achieving gratification. You can get it in food, working out, sex, drugs, gambling or when achieving certain goals etc. We all needs dopamine released somehow and each finds his own way to get it.

I`d really love to see a government ban on eating 2 much food . I know most ppl will so hate that. If we should go "moral" all the way let`s change the really rotten parts of the system or just let it be.

 

[Brooklyn]

The other issue is that EU isn't a skill based game. If the game became more skill oriented this might solve the gambling issue.

I think you are right and it is the best way to go...

I hope FPC continues working structurally toward making this much harder for the rambling gambling crowd... by creating and developing a real economy and real economic mobility and incentives for actual investment... based on making use of all the resources and skills in a more natural semi-predictable way... instead of continuiing these childish uber prizes/loot drops... that do nothing, in my opinon, but support a superficial gambling type invlovement... over a mature in depth-avatar investment type strategy,,,

I like the idea that farming* is finally coming... and with that the hope of civilization... so for my money it's already 9 out of 10 in value... and getting better...

Love the way they're think'n



* Post 270
Are there any plans to introduce farms in the game, or farming licenses?
Submitted by Dusk

Yes

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/mindark-news/66126-q-answers-may-07-a.html.​

 

[xaph]

You don`t need the state to come and butt spank you for whatever reasons, of let`s say exiting some typical "code of normality" BS.

Brain needs a substance called Dopamine to make one feel good.

Dopamine is released under certain circumstances of achieving gratification. You can get it in food, working out, sex, drugs, gambling. We all needs dopamine released somehow and each finds his own way to get it.

I`d really love to see a government ban on eating 2 much food . I know most ppl will so hate that. If we should go "moral" all the way let`s change the really rotten parts of the system or just let it be.

You fail to mention the major neurotransmitter for mood being seretonin and noradrenaline. Dompamine of many versions D1, 2, 3 and so on is about perception and thought.

If your dompamine is screwed up you cant think = thought disturbance and also possibly your perception is altered and you here voices, smell strange smells and see strange visions, the latter 2 more likely indicative of an organic disturbance like a brain tumor or eg alcohol withdrawal and not necesarily a functional psychosis such as schizophrenia.

If you have disturbance of sertonin and or nor adrenaline re-uptake you are likely to either be high or low being called manic or depressed. In both instances if the mania or depression gets bad enough it can influence dopamine and thus disturbances of thought and perception can occur with symptoms similar to psychosis.

Sigma receptors provde for reward responses and are thought to be associated with natural endorphins etc ( sex etc) and this is the gratification channel, they are intrinsically linked with other neuro transmitters like seretonin.


Bare in mind there are levels of affliction in the above described, an if you have any of these symptoms, I suggest you research assistances in the country you reside via google.

Have a great day

 

[Mikass]

You fail to mention the major neurotransmitter for mood being seretonin and noradrenaline. Dompamine of many versions D1, 2, 3 and so on is about perception and thought.

If your dompamine is screwed up you cant think = thought disturbance and also possibly your perception is altered and you here voices, smell strange smells and see strange visions, the latter 2 more likely indicative of an organic disturbance like a brain tumor or eg alcohol withdrawal not necesarily a functional psychosis such as schizophrenia.

If you have disturbance of sertonin and or nor adrenaline re-uptake you are likely to either be high or low being called manic or depressed. In both instances if the mania or depression gets bad enough it can influence dopamine and thus disturbances of thought and perception can occur with symptoms similar to psychosis.


Bare in mind there are levels of affliction in the above described, an if you have any of these symtoms I suggest you research assistances in the country you reside via google.

Have a great day

Taken from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

Motivation and pleasure
Main article: motivation
[edit] Reinforcement

Dopamine is commonly associated with the pleasure system of the brain, providing feelings of enjoyment and reinforcement to motivate a person proactively to perform certain activities. Dopamine is released (particularly in areas such as the nucleus accumbens and prefrontal cortex) by naturally rewarding experiences such as food, sex, drugs, and neutral stimuli that become associated with them. Recent studies indicate that aggression may also stimulate the release of dopamine in this way. This theory is often discussed in terms of drugs such as cocaine, nicotine, and amphetamines, which directly or indirectly lead to an increase of dopamine in the mesolimbic reward pathway of the brain, and in relation to neurobiological theories of chemical addiction, arguing that this dopamine pathway is pathologically altered in addicted persons.[13][14][15]

 

[xaph]

Dopamine as a high is certainly a good one, however it does not sustain mood as it's part a combination of factors. Seretonin works to sustain mood, dompamine gives it a shot and levates it if you release it which is why when ICE users blast away all there dopamine. (ICE and Amphetamine users release and deplete massive amount of dopamine and that produces their high, then seretonin has trouble stabilizing mood again as there is no dopamine....its all gone. Neurotransmitters all work in unison and imbalance in any of them affects mood, there are many neurotransmitters but from a working knowlege depletion of dopamine effects thought and perception more than mood and impacts upon seretonin to sustain stability in mood. Seretonin/ nor adrenaline maintains mood.
You are correct in some part, its quite a big picture.