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Hello I allow myself to deliver my return on the game

I created my account on 10/29/2003
And in 2017 I can survive more in EU.

Currently, since the beginning of the year I have deposited about
30000peds and mainly hunting (aprox 30000ped / years)
I can not hold more than 3 days with 1000peds while hunting. I see
around me in my friend list that the observation is about the same.
I think I have lost 50% of my initial sum in craft or various bad
financial operations that I assume.
But the return on deposit is ridiculous, I stay at 0 on the pedcard
90% of my time.
I do not understand this progressive degradation around the 2 main
trades was originally hunting and mining.
I feel like giving my money for nothing except some graphics now.

Originally we deposit 100 € we hunt or miner we recover little be
95/105% and the benefit to allow to improve his equipment or try another
profession and if we lost the money we could just say it shit, Would not
have tried it
Now you can stay 10 hours a day on the same mob you can lose
astronomical sums.
We lay down is we hope to survive a few days but she is this new mania?
I just wanted to play a game with the feeling of not losing years of his
time just for graphics,
Recovering little be a bit of the sum invested the day I leave the game.
But in 2017 I find a lotto giant, no stability has a few mobs by but I
will not play 1monstres all my life.

I do not know who is the current CEO but AWAKEN you kill the game.
We must stop wanting to put forward winnings at all costs.
Mainly those that come on entropia universe one type in search mmorpg or
game real economy
They did not type land investment or how to get rich in 1clic
The main goal of the hunt / minor players and some builders is to play a
VIRTUAL WORLD, not given their money may be some big investors or other.

About me I am a middle lvl I have deskill x2 all (lack of peds) and
currently lvl70 + laser pistol 225k skill
I spent 4/5 years a crafter disappointed to never find any rare weapon
or rare items despite various 10k +.
I play various level equipment ranging from
Angel set M + imp M2870 to nude + adj V1 and all (L)

My current equipment is KingKong U60 and Viceroy Set M

And I'm just sick of paying for nothing.
Massive boycott of deposits would make them be reacted.


I would like to know your views.:confused:
Use the translator french to english sorry for errors
 

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I think many will agree with your experience, unfortunately :-(

However I am sure the 10% crit + EST club will not ... they will tell you..learn to play smart :)
 

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Yeah, this casino...uhhh...game sucks.

Better spend your money on more usefull stuff.

You can enjoy the graphics for free. No need to deposit for that.

Just stop depositing and you will win time and money! Smart move.
 

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Seriously?

You are from 2003 era and you still have no clue how to play this game? :scratch2:

Angel set M + Imp M2870 = Wrong setup. Why? Your def costs are going to be astronomical!
Nude + Adj V1 = Wrong setup. Why? Cause you ain't level 100 them misses will hurt you!
Used everything (L) = Wrong setup. Why? You are spending markup on stupid L stuff!
My current equipment is King Kong U60 and Viceroy Set M = Wrong setup. Why? That gear gonna make you more broke than ever before! To use this gun with that sort of dps on the right mobs, your gonna need around 25000 PED minimum! Are people seriously this careless with their money???

Ps: not trying to be rude in any way just can't understand how people don't know how to play.
 

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returns in this game is the only thing it is entirely up to you to change it into your favor.If you have bad ones blame you not mindark.
Learn the game and stop crying.
 

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I am definitely feeling it, OP.

I have deposited $200-300/mo since I started playing (a bit less than a year ago). I researched a lot and invested in gear to help me play economically and hunt smart. For a long time this paid off - after getting out of the initial noob phase, my returns averaged 97% on the low side, up to around 103% at times.

A little over a month or so ago my returns started plummeting, with no change of behavior or gear on my part. I even tried tightening up my play to compensate. Now i'm down into around 83% return, and frankly the game is not much fun any more. Some people might say my big "payback" is just around the corner, but I don't think my pedcard will survive until then. I literally have not had a single positive run in almost 3 weeks.

This is the first month I will not deposit. I may deposit again at some time in the future, but for now MA has lost a paying customer. I will still play with what I have, but I'm just not interested in investing any further in this game since I'm not getting anything back.
 

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Most would probably find this boring, but.....

If you only ever play with 10% of your ped card, it will last a LONG time.

For example: Hunt mobs where 10% on your pedcard lasts several hours.

So the most you will ever (probably) lose is 2% per several hours. This will also ensure you can stack loots, i.e. stuff that sells for just a few %, this will help in the long run.

But as I said at the beginning, this means hunting lower end stuff...and that is the ONE thing people do not like to do.


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I agree with morfoc.. been playing since 2010,depoed over 3k in the last 7 months.
Have ups and downs..mostly downs..
Have taken advice from quite a few ,tried following so called waves with not much luck.

Sold all my shit....bye
 

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returns in this game is the only thing it is entirely up to you to change it into your favor.If you have bad ones blame you not mindark.
Learn the game and stop crying.
Did you see someone crying? You play for 4 or 5 years and How long will you stay because big dealers like you and in one of the tons =) I prefer constructive comments from those who have survived
I ask the opinion of the people in my situation may be then I improve my economy.
 
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You don't know how to play.Go buy better gear(perhaps that gun with 500k markup)deposit 100-200k more for a decent bankroll and then read an eco hunting guide.After you burn that ped come here for some more uber advice.I am sure Messi will give you some uber advice if your credit card has the ability to follow it.
 

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I think many will agree with your experience, unfortunately :-(

However I am sure the 10% crit + EST club will not ... they will tell you..learn to play smart :)
returns in this game is the only thing it is entirely up to you to change it into your favor.If you have bad ones blame you not mindark.
Learn the game and stop crying.
Lol, called it.



Inevitably these threads degenerate into one of two types of posts:

a) Ubers with 100k USD worth of gear telling you that you're stupid and don't know how to play.

b) Survivalists trying to convince you that eco-hunting punies forever can be fun.


Never seems to be a middle ground.
 

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Inevitably these threads degenerate into one of two types of posts:

a) Ubers with 100k USD worth of gear telling you that you're stupid and don't know how to play.

b) Survivalists trying to convince you that eco-hunting punies forever can be fun.


Never seems to be a middle ground.
I know what you mean, i myself play conservative and hunt mobs generally under 1.5khp, ive still losing small amounts but overall in may i've spent 22k turnover and im currently a measly 350ped up, but still up just.

i don't go chasing ultra eco, have a basic (L) ares ring with guns/knives in the 2.95-2.97 range, but i follow the rule if i can't afford to tough the rough i'm hunting too high. But if the runs seem good then i step up and hope my luck follows but if not the good runs before have paid for the losses
 

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i'm use actually ares improved Ring and hermetic modified Ring ( because i love speed :laugh:)
 

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Well atm how it is going, is exactly what players asked for in 2015, I think it was. And begin 2016 it was changed the way people wanted it (Again), but I don't like the change they did.
But how things now look I guess they will change it back once again, till the other side starts to complain again.

It's about time that MA finds the sweetspot finally.
 

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I think many will agree with your experience, unfortunately :-(

However I am sure the 10% crit + EST club will not ... they will tell you..learn to play smart :)
Im neither 10% crit or stupid est.. and ive been break even or profit since jan 16 evem while being ridiculously unmaxed (which i dont recommend).

Markup is important. Buffs matter. Weapon selection matters. And above all, bankroll matters.

You arent supposed to win the tt game. It is markup that puts you over the top... if you can find it.
 

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This is the exact reason why buffs are stupid and ruining the game for masses. Not everyone wanna stack up: pills, EST armor, UL gun, UL amps, UL healer, UL will to grind. People with all of those would at least want to break even (for their effort, time and investment).

I still stand by my (the) idea of L guns that come out of L blueprints with an eco of at least 3.2 DPP.
 

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Im neither 10% crit or stupid est.. and ive been break even or profit since jan 16 evem while being ridiculously unmaxed (which i dont recommend).

Markup is important. Buffs matter. Weapon selection matters. And above all, bankroll matters.

You arent supposed to win the tt game. It is markup that puts you over the top... if you can find it.
Obviously you did not finance your "endgame" setup by grinding your way from 0-100+ and just selling all the great markup things you found along the way :)

Its a buying game, buy and be able to use the best stuff at each skill milestone!
 

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maxed my Kingkong U60 and hunt mob various lvl 15 to 40
How does my equipment not fit? I hunt monsters alone or with faper for fun (Soitzen can confirm a 14h hunt without break with a disastrous return or 1year without HOF with him as healer) I see not what to do more.
 

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maxed my Kingkong U60 and hunt mob various lvl 15 to 40
How does my equipment not fit? I hunt monsters alone or with faper for fun (Soitzen can confirm a 14h hunt without break with a disastrous return or 1year without HOF with him as healer) I see not what to do more.
without logs and assuming your using finishers when needed, an eco amp and a decent evade lvl. i can guess its just the amount of playtime, if you shot your U60 nonstop (unamped as you didnt mention one, so that would be added on) it would 710ped/hr to shoot, disregarding all external factors like evades and regen. if thats 95% return then you lost 35ped and over 10 hours its 350ped/day. so 30 day month with average 95% returns you will lose 10,500 ped. you need to find MU items to make up that remaining 5%
 

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I hear what OP is saying.

I used to deposit much more, but now I only deposit about 3 times per year perhaps, and even then its small amounts of like 200-300 eur.

And I do that for a simple reason. I enjoy playing online slots, been playing at an online casino for like 10 years, and when I compare the fun factor between my online casino and EU, I gotta say its about the same. Only that I get more money back at the online casino site. I have a slot there, on which ive done something over 1.5 mio spins at a value of 2eur. There were times when I was overdoing it a bit and have done sessions with spins of 30eur, but I control myself much better now.

So for example, most of time i depo 300 a month and hit my slot with 2eur spins. If I lose it, I dont care, its the money I use for my fun and thats it. But it happens often that I win, for example, this year alone ive already won 2x5k and 1x2k. So I take that money straight out and repeat the process again next month.

Like I said at the begining, I used to depo to EU on regular basis in the past, but it never worked out like it does in the online casino, 200-300 eur were gone in few days in 95% of times, trying different tactics, listening to peoples advice and so on.
To the point, I started getting a stupid feeling repeating the process and I lost interest, cause I know I will never hit 50k ped loot in EU.

Do I miss playing EU more often?, sure, but it just doesnt make sense from an economical pov.

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Of course it always sucks to lose money, especially when it is a lot as you describe. However, Jetman's calculation is not far fetched. There are several strategies, first squeeze out maximum MU and hunt accordingly. Don't forget you have a weaapon capable of cycling a lot of PEDs in short time, so when you lose, you will lose a lot.

Possible solutions:
1. step down to a level where you are fine with the costs
2. Find ways to fill the gap between cost and break even, be it investments or other opportunities
3. Squeeze out max MU. Those small amounts also add up over time
4. Write a detailed log and ask people for their opinions, now the information in this thread is not so much detailed, a bit more of detail would help to get a picture.
5. Combination of the points above

Assuming you use a Dante on your gun ( correct me if i'm wrong) and considering your imp Ares you get 2.975 dpp / 87.345 dps sounds not too bad, but how much % defensive decay? Armor? FAP? How much % MU can you get out from your sales? Many details that could explain why you lose a lot.
 
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Of course it always sucks to lose money, especially when it is a lot as you describe. However, Jetman's calculation is not far fetched. There are several strategies, first squeeze out maximum MU and hunt accordingly. Don't forget you have a weaapon capable of cycling a lot of PEDs in short time, so when you lose, you will lose a lot.

Possible solutions:
1. step down to a level where you are fine with the costs
2. Find ways to fill the gap between cost and break even, be it investments or other opportunities
3. Squeeze out max MU. Those small amounts also add up over time
4. Write a detailed log and ask people for their opinions, now the information in this thread is not so much detailed, a bit more of detail would help to get a picture.
5. Combination of the points above

Assuming you use a Dante on your gun ( correct me if i'm wrong) and considering your imp Ares you get 2.987 dpp / 79.459 dps sounds not too bad, but how much % defensive decay? Armor? FAP? How much % MU can you get out from your sales? Many details that could explain why you lose a lot.
actually i use dante/beast in good period and without amp in bad period.
i use viceroy set M with 5b or not all time
fap depend or ur125L (lvl34para) or ek2600
actually 5.1k evade lvl43 Evader

average mobs hunt : feffox , furor , proteron , caperon ,atrox,feffoid .
actually on NI to Pirate skeleton stage 5 and hard survive use Kong without amp and kill mob lvl23/27

i'm the big bad seller in EU :ahh: i hate trading and i take average 105%/110% for items :ahh::dunce:
but makeup entering in value return, hum lets me see all discovery by noobs :scratch2:
 

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Buffs tho?

Idgaf that setup isn't worth a fuck with 2%fb...

surely if he can depo $3k USD and lose it doing stupid shit he can sell that waste of an armor set and buy mod vic and come up with the ped for an augmented ares or summer/easter ring...

Surely at that point OP would be managing 99% tt or better with proper bankroll. But who knows, maybe he's set on doing 2000 ped runs on 12 ped mobs. in that case continue to lose your ass.

Like LT said.. markup and bankroll matters above all else, but buffs and weapon selection obviously matter a great deal.
 

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Buffs tho?

Idgaf that setup isn't worth a fuck with 2%fb...

surely if he can depo $3k USD and lose it doing stupid shit he can sell that waste of an armor set and buy mod vic and come up with the ped for an augmented ares or summer/easter ring...

Surely at that point OP would be managing 99% tt or better with proper bankroll. But who knows, maybe he's set on doing 2000 ped runs on 12 ped mobs. in that case continue to lose your ass.

Like LT said.. markup and bankroll matters above all else, but buffs and weapon selection obviously matter a great deal.

Soon I will need a sub-armor and lubricant for it not rust to loot properly? I do not know if someone has already asked to implant the buffs has MA but certainly not me
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I agree with the op, profit in any amount is a lot harder to obtain now then previously in my experience and the economy isn't what it used to be...don't understand how the game is still alive but enjoy it while it lasts :)) There still is a chance I guess for things to get better but they need to start changing first...

PS: asta e viata, toate se termina, jocul in 2-3 ani e mort
 

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From my point of view, the more I stay online has to play with peds, more the lands will also have taxes , etc
but I believe that MA and I should not have the same calculation :laugh::laugh:
 

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Lately I have difficulty to remain serene :handgun:and I admit that I accuse many MA of wanting to take too much.
I do not see why at average level one is obliged to suffer while one deposits already amounts for a game

I prefer to remain positive for the future and thinking about the good HOF already successful or fun moments.
 
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Inevitably these threads degenerate into one of two types of posts:

a) Ubers with 100k USD worth of gear telling you that you're stupid and don't know how to play.

b) Survivalists trying to convince you that eco-hunting punies forever can be fun.


Never seems to be a middle ground.

This is the best answer I read here. Completely true. LOL
 

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This is the best answer I read here. Completely true. LOL
nah i always played middle level, i never deposited until boxes (for some pills)

from your list morfoc almost all mobs give 0 markup lol
 

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A personal title having already realized HOF 17kpeds furor tt food / 16kpeds neconu tt food / team chomper 16k TT food , (in time assasin R150 unl ( I am the only one who had not the HOF before me from 30k take it and the HOF after me from 8k take it ), And so on throughout my career

Yes I am frustrated to have never had anything but the question is not the, I find just abuse of not succeed to survive at least 1 week with $ 100 it has become too expensive a game for not much

Since 1 years already it is necessary to be prepared 100% for a hunt to avoid this finds with a catastrophic return, but I have the impression of allucinated.
What a game if you do not even have fun in the morning to tell you I want to try some monsters for fun. It is necessary that you predict in advance in case your returns returns desolate but it is not the game that I have played from the beginning. They completely broke the fun to profit
 
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