Few Appartments For Sale

It would take almost no effort for them to cut and paste in several more apartment buildings, if they so desired. Hell, they could probably have the janitor come in over the weekend and do it. They are constantly throwing up more houses, castles, malls, moose buildings, etc. Seriously, putting up another clone is no effort whatsoever. There must be a reason why they have intentionally failed to do so. And that is the true question.

Inflation is the answer. MA wants items to have an inflated price. That is good for their accounting. If they control the availability of apartments, the prices will inflate. Then, the next time they auction some, the price will be higher. It all about the $$.
 
Inflation is the answer. MA wants items to have an inflated price. That is good for their accounting. If they control the availability of apartments, the prices will inflate. Then, the next time they auction some, the price will be higher. It all about the $$.
Actually, you're totally wrong. If everything in-game inflated in price, more and more players would sell their stuff for huge profits and cash out. This is exactly what has happened, a large number of vets (middle-levels and ubers) have cashed out after selling stuff for ridiculously high markups. MA has responded by implementing (L) items that will all one day be gone from the system instead of becoming valuable. I actually think MA are making a mistake, as preventing Mod Merc, Adj V1, ML-35, and other items like this from dropping anymore in loots, just makes their prices continue to inflate. They're shooting themselves in the footguards.
 
One question I do have though for owners since I don`t own one. When you do pay the fee after being delinquent for a time I assume you have to pay the balance for every month you have missed am I correct?
Since nobody has answered this yet: It isn't cumulative. If you're away for 5 months and return to your apartment, you don't have to pay 50 PEDs. You only pay 10 PEDs if you want to get in. So whether you're away for 5 months or 10 months and return to access your apartment, you only pay 10 PEDs.
 
hmm at the beginning of this thread i was vaery mad lol. you are lucky i don't know how to neg rep people or you would have been my 1st.
I own several apt and i bought them as an investment. Don't give MA Ideas.
i cant afford to pay 100 peds a month for something i don't use. it would defeat the purpose of an investment that doesn't also have a monthly income from it.
also I spent a cople few thousand peds on them, MA just recycle the peds i spent too?
So I made it to the end of the thread and stll don't know how to negrep. I do not believe someone should be negrep for their opinion, however this wasn't an opinion it was a suggestion and a very bad one. it really pushed my mad button as I am constantly worried about losing the money i invested in this game by the changes MA has made, i don't need to lose more.

Anyway have fun with your Apt. it can get expensive to decorate lol GL;)
 
First of all, the monthly fee is not rent as such. It is more comparable to a water bill or electric bill. If you don't pay it, things stop working.

Unlike RL, there are no late fees or interest. No matter how long it has been since you paid your fee, once you pay for a month, you get access to your apt/shop/whatever for the next 30 days. That's it. No back rent to pay.


Since nobody has answered this yet: It isn't cumulative. If you're away for 5 months and return to your apartment, you don't have to pay 50 PEDs. You only pay 10 PEDs if you want to get in. So whether you're away for 5 months or 10 months and return to access your apartment, you only pay 10 PEDs.



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Sorry Rumsponge, I read your post and missed that you answered his question--albeit in a rather obtuse way. I hope my answer explained it more clearly, where it matters most to the player: the PED account. :silly2:
 
This thread kinda disturbs me, for a number of reasons.

So there's not so many apartments for sale these days ... Now I can understand the thought process behind thinking that apartments sitting there doing nothing at all are wasted, but I think you have to look at the bigger picture.

Many people own apartments. Some people who no longer play own them too. Some people own them and don't use them. I think that's up to them! They paid for the thing, it's theirs to do with as they wish.

I think it's very important that we emphasise the fact that to all intents and purposes, when we buy something in EU, it belongs to us (technicalities aside).

People often put a considerable amount of money into EU, and I don't think it's too much to ask that all their items remain on our accounts indefinitely.

MA have a policy which states if you do not use your account for so many days, your account will eventually be removed. Whilst this is not ideal, it's understandable, and I think they deal with it quite fairly (a few warnings, etc).

I think it should never be acceptable to remove items from our accounts unless:

1) The account has been abandoned, as explained above, or..
2) The owner of said account has broken the EULA in some way (scams, etc)

I should imagine MA's original sale price of the apartments covered their costs (servers, development, etc), as they're fairly shrewd that way.

When there is a need in the market for more apartments, I'm sure they will expand the living quarters sufficiently. Virtual items are great, because they can be easily duplicated. It's not a huge problem to add some more apartments for the revenue it would inevitably generate.

EU is an almost infinitely-expandable thing, and there's enough money in it that we should never have to 'make do'. We just have to trust that MA will expand sensibly, which is often the more difficult prospect.
 
Coelacanth and Rumsponge thanks for clearing that up! Hmmm maybe I will go buy one to squat on now. That certainly explains the large number of ones with fee going unpaid too.
 
yea i vote that this is a good idea. i can't find a fricken house lol
 
I see both sides of this.

In RL you can own a property outright, but if your fail to pay the local "property tax" (council tax, rates, whatever it is called in the country you live in), you can have the property taken away from you and sold to pay for the unpaid tax.
Even if you pay the "tax", If you fail to "maintain" the property, and it falls into "disrepair" the local authorities in the UK can issue an "enforcement" order, telling you to "repair it". If you don't, they can take off you.

I own (or am paying for, with a mortgage) a RL property. If I fail to pay the relevant local taxes, I could lose my property, and if i let it fall into rack-and-ruin, I could also lose it, even if i pay the tax.

In EU, you can in theory buy a place, or many places, and then never pay a pec after. Log in once in a while to keep the account active, and watch the value of the property go up.
It's also true that an in EU property won't decay, fall apart, or get a leaky roof that lets water into next door. Ma don't have to worry about the cost of providing Fire department assistance to an empty place, as it can't (unlike a RL place) catch fire, nor can it get squatters turn it into a drug den, who will need evicting.

I conclude that empty property in RL does cost the local authority money, even if empty, and that empty Property in EU does not cost MA.
This is why RL empty property can be seized, and why empty property in EU should not be seizable.

I do think that there should be more EU property on sale, but it could be listed with a starting bid at current market price (as decided by the current market price according to MA) with no buyout.
 
I own several apt and i bought them as an investment. Don't give MA Ideas.

In the bigger picture, when you bought the apartments to keep as investment, you also prevented someone who actually was going to use the apartment to get it. It means that crafters have an apartment left to furnish, hunters/miners have no longer an option to get a secondary storage.

As they weren't sold for 250 ped, it was obvious that market value was not *above* 250 ped. By removing them all from market and then selling them one by one, you (the resellers) remove the option from the buyers to chose if they want an apartment hight up, or near bottom.

The reselling of apartments isn't so bad for old players, who got the option to get an apartment, as it is to new players, who didn't get the chance; and who also have problem getting some other equipment we older players took for granted (EP-40 for tt+25, marber bravo for tt+30, a101 for tt+nothing, a102/a103 dropping about once every 20 ped hunt). And as for (L) items, if ther ever is an animal brush sold at a price close to TT, it's snatched up by a reseller who repost it.

In real life, investors is a good thing. They provide cash into some area, and expect to get something back - but resellers don't add value. I don't think MA really did get much cash from the sold apartments (as compared to let's say a land area), but as seen from players who do *spend* money in the game, it's not a matter of investors - it's a matter of leeches.

What can MA do?
They could construct a new apartment complex, and to get an apartment there you need a "coupon" which you get for free when you have reached a certain skill level (let's say graduation level, ie 1900 rifle/600 mining). This way avatars will have a fair chance.
(Sure, the "coupons" can be traded - but if you do trade it you know that you have forfeited the chance of getting an apartment at "construction cost").

A technicak solution: They can provide a house where several apartments, physically, can be in the same place. Kind of like a hotel corridor. You got the option to select a floor, but on each floor there are 999 apartments, and when you stand in the televator you enter the apartment nubmer (x-yyy) and get directly into it.

Another approach is to have rental apartments, for say 15 ped/month, and when you get it you ahve to pay 2 months in advance. When there is one month less, the apartmet gets locked (until you pay), and if you don't pay at all, all items in apartment gets placed in a special "eviction box" which can handle an unlimited amount of items but items can only be removed from it, not manually added into it and the eviction box gets placed in your storage, and the apartment is cleaned up for whoever wants it next.

Another thing that could be done, is that to sell an apartment in a public way (auction, shop or shopkeeper), it has to be accessible (for inspection). It means, that it must be claimed by seller, it must have public access, and the rent must have been paid. This is pretty natural, who in real life would buy an apartment they haven't been able to see. (How big is it? Is there anyting sold with it such as furniture? Is there a balcony?). There is a possible exception for special cases like CND and the malls where apartments were part of a bigger deal.
 
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About the G apartments on the ground

I remember the day they were released. I set my alarm clock for the exact time they were released.

In the time it took me to go take a look at an apartment and then get to an auction to buy one there was only 18 left. I buyed the one highest in a building I could at buyout and within 20 more mins they were all gone.
 
About the G apartments on the ground

I remember the day they were released. I set my alarm clock for the exact time they were released.

In the time it took me to go take a look at an apartment and then get to an auction to buy one there was only 18 left. I buyed the one highest in a building I could at buyout and within 20 more mins they were all gone.
I also remember when I bought my "G" apartment...

-I first went and checked all the different sizes of apartments in one of the T.I. towers. I read all the stats on each, and once I found the G's allowed the most item points, that's when I knew I had to have a "G".

-When I checked the auctions, there were still tons of apartments for sale by Marcus Callendar (MA), many pages of them in auction, but there was only 1 or 2 G's remaining. I put in a bid, I think it was around 200 PEDs, I didn't even have to get into a bidding war to win it, surprisingly. I just logged in to find I'd won it.

-I don't know if this is right, but I figured that most of the players didn't know the difference between the different apartment letters, saw the price of the "G" as higher than the rest, and since there was only 1 or 2 G's left, it just got overlooked...

All I can say is, I'm sure glad I made that bid! :)
 
Estates should default if the monthly fee hasnt been paid in 6months and contents should be moved to storage, and the appartment put up for auction again. Perhaps a email notifyin the owner they are over due by 6months and give them another month to get up to date before the appartment is sold.

This would at least open up more income for MA


Seems to me that you are not an owner otherwise you would see the value in the apartment... which is really more like a condo. Once your storage fills up where do you put all your crap? I own 4 and use 2 just for storage.

If you dont pay you the monthly rent which is really an access fee, you cant get to your stuff. :duh:

It would be no different if MA striped your avatar if you didnt log in... or if you dont use a piece of equipment for 6 months give MA the right to take and auction it.. When you buy it... its yours.. unless your stupid enough to not log in for 300+ days or whatever the number is in the terms of use.

Think before you speak :poke:
 
Seems to me that you are not an owner otherwise you would see the value in the apartment... which is really more like a condo. Once your storage fills up where do you put all your crap? I own 4 and use 2 just for storage.

If you dont pay you the monthly rent which is really an access fee, you cant get to your stuff. :duh:

It would be no different if MA striped your avatar if you didnt log in... or if you dont use a piece of equipment for 6 months give MA the right to take and auction it.. When you buy it... its yours.. unless your stupid enough to not log in for 300+ days or whatever the number is in the terms of use.

Think before you speak :poke:

Firstly I do have an appartment... read up several posts. If i didnt use it for several months then i would expect MA to take it providing i wasnt payin my access fee or something.

A better solution to those who soley use appartments for storage would be for MA to offer a new building, like those self storage places. Pretty much a mall but not if you know what I mean. Stick a couple of them around the place, big ass warehouse with a whole bunch of storage sheds which can hold varying amounts of items.. several sizes from 200item up to 1000item which would net them more money, solve the appartments being used soley for storage etc. This would be a good solution, as players could buy the rights to a storage warehouse and set rates or what ever for renting storage.

Alternatively MA could introduce a rental system/lease system where players who brought 'investment' appartments that are sitting empty could be getting x ped per month via a rental system. I know you can rent atm, but its not exactly safe to do it cause you could have someone sell your appart on ya. But if they introduced a rental system for shops/appartments/houses surely that would be a far better solution for everyone.

On the same note as rental, why not allow duel ownership... ie me and my fiancee play entropia and she can not store anythin in my appartment because im the owner. Why not allow us to co-own an appartment.. no reason the deed couldnt exist for both of us, and the only way to sell would be for one of us to have both halves of the deed to put up for auction or sell what ever.
 
Firstly I do have an appartment... read up several posts. If i didnt use it for several months then i would expect MA to take it providing i wasnt payin my access fee or something.
Nope. Would you agree with them doing that if you had several thousand PEDs' worth of furniture and items stored in it? I doubt it...

A better solution to those who soley use appartments for storage would be for MA to offer a new building, like those self storage places. Pretty much a mall but not if you know what I mean.
Again, nope. What fun is it to furnish a generic "self storage place"? Are you going to put a bed, shelves, table & chairs, etc. there? I doubt it...
 
THEN pay your Rent

I know there are few for sale, but until MA put a mass amount of Apartments on the Auction, the current amounts will have to do...

I would hate my own apartment to be deleted.

- Nightwolf

If you want to kep your apartment then the answer is simple.....PAY YOUR RENT!
 
its a bad idea. i have three apartments and yes i pay rent on all three and use all 3.

What if i take a break from the game (go to hospital or something untinkable as that may be) and come back to find all my valuables have disappeared and my apartments gone!

I'd be ruined :(

So to avoid this if this rule is in place i would have to not store anything in my apartments especially not anything valuable and not pay the rent just in case i do loose it. This offcourse defeats the whole point of me having the apartment in the first place !
 
If you want to kep your apartment then the answer is simple.....PAY YOUR RENT!

Way to dig up a nine month old post. And I totally disagree with this. Its not rent. Its a usage fee. Once you pay for the property, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.
 
what is it about xmas and necroing ???

S V :xtongue:
 
This thread is so necro :)

Anyway, I think the current situation is very fair. You can keep your apartment forever without any PED charges, but you can't use it unless you pay the maintenance fee. That is perfect.
 
As others have said - NO. I pay the rent on my apartments most of the time so I have access to the items I have stored there, bu on occasion I let it lapse because I do not need it.

I paid for the apartment, PED that I earned and/or deposited. The rent on those apartments is allows me to access it and if I choose not to pay it I can not access it or my items until I do, but I still OWN my apartment. I paid for it, and in some cases quite a bit.

I fail to see how you can condone or even contemplate taking something from someone that they paid PED for, in the case of my G apartment 1K ped, and taking it away from them.

The rent it not taxes and the apartments were not sold to me with any contract or stipulation that I had to pay taxes on them. It is in no way comparable to taxes, what you are talking about is taking apartments from people that have purchased them and selling them to other people. Removing the investment that people have made because you want it and don't want them to have it.

So next step is for you to go after the hanger owners that have not flown their ships or taken passengers for 6 months and sell them to someone else because there are not enough in game for everyone that wants them.

Lovely idea you have, having the investments of other players just stolen from them. Even though I pay my rent it may lapse a few weeks at a time, next you will want MA to take my apartment away from me as soon as the rent lapses one day.

What a bad idea ...
 
Just realized this was a necro - would have been the same response had I seen it the first time around.
 
Hmm a thread revisited. The one flaw in thinking I see is that the apartments are investments. MA in the EULA states that players own nothing but the tt value so thinking of it as an investment as with amything else in here is a risky undertaking. I never liked the fee thing. It stopped me from getting an apartment in the past not knowing that you did`nt really have to pay the fee. I always felt that MA should have left the apartments in the auction for greater availability instead of creating an artificial market which will only thin out more as places are available on other planets. I do notice Neverdie makes a good effort to keep putting up more apartments for sale. i still have yet to get one for lack of a use for it yet. But I see the prices and they look reasonable still. The only downside is not having a big crop to choose from when wanting to buy. I think MA should make all of us vested Entropians by giving us a small place we could walk into to use for storage and call home. Let the market be in estates, castles, hangars and other such places. How about some shanty towns in game?
 
If someone hasn't paid MA the 10 PED per month, and get more than 90 days behind, they should be evicted. The apartment should be made available to someone that will provide MA with the continuing revenue fee they expect to see.

While it's a small fee per apartment, that money is part of what subsidises all you non-depositors out there...and there are a LOT of apartments that deadbeats aren't keeping their dues up on.

Look people. Marco can't eat air, and the MA servers don't run on wishful thinking.

Do your part to keep MA and First Planet solvent. Pay your fees. I do.

AG
 
I can understand the idea of the OP (that he had long time ago lol) but like others stated, it's not rent. You bought it and IMO you can't change the rules on something that someone already own's. But well, it's MA :rolleyes:

And what about other items as gun's, armors etc etc that are just bought as investment. Should they be removed after 6 months no usage?? Don't think so, it's really the same as the appartment thing.

So (if there would have been a poll) i voted no
 
If someone hasn't paid MA the 10 PED per month, and get more than 90 days behind, they should be evicted. The apartment should be made available to someone that will provide MA with the continuing revenue fee they expect to see.

While it's a small fee per apartment, that money is part of what subsidises all you non-depositors out there...and there are a LOT of apartments that deadbeats aren't keeping their dues up on.

Look people. Marco can't eat air, and the MA servers don't run on wishful thinking.

Do your part to keep MA and First Planet solvent. Pay your fees. I do.

AG

What about decay and auction fees and deposit fees and everything else that supports non depositors? Unless you're being sarcastic.

The fees are paid if its being used. It is ludicrous to think that once someone is evicted that an apartment owner will replace them that will pay the fees also. Its even more ridiculous to think that every apartment in EU can be filled with a person that will pay the fees every month.
 
Necro or not, still an interesting topic.

Think the guy made it in March :scratch2:

(cant be bothered to check back, but I know I posted here somewhere)

He found an appartment eventually, paid roughly 500 peds, looks like he got a bargain now, just a few months later, they go for what? 850+ ish? (not cnd, bit more maybe there)

Some people have made a nice profit.

But we still have a shortage, or do we, I havent checked? Even if we dont, I can imagin the markup.
 
What about decay and auction fees and deposit fees and everything else that supports non depositors? Unless you're being sarcastic.

The fees are paid if its being used. It is ludicrous to think that once someone is evicted that an apartment owner will replace them that will pay the fees also. Its even more ridiculous to think that every apartment in EU can be filled with a person that will pay the fees every month.


Nope, not being sarcastic. MA spent time developing the code for apartments, spent time doing the artwork, 3d modeling, etc, etc. Part of the business plan for doing that included an expected revenue based on the income from the montly fees that some deadbeats refuse to pay.

Tell ya what.. lets add it up!

10 PEDS x 8 apartments = 80 PED per level

roughly 20 levels per building = 1600 PED per building

24 buildings total= 38+K PED per month in rent.

I don't know where you live, but where I live that's a nice chunk of RL change.


Because of many of these people aren't paying, MA has to end up cutting corners someplace... So don't bitch about crappy loot if you ain't paying the piper.

AG
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