Focus Blow and Increase crit dmg buff items

Didn't have to open an Internet cafe next to MA. Seriously though I have never had a personal contact with anyone from MA. Nor have I been very friendly to them about the things I hate in the game. Imho going with the most economical setup is without question the way to go to get in the CLUB though the buff madness seems to be out of proportion for the prices of some of the items.
I'm sure you can both understand how this could be perceived that eco don't mean a damn, just being friendly with the right people counts.
 
I'm sorry but these statements really worry me, not in what they say but in general implication that could be arrived at. Maybe i am misreading the overall point, but is the implication that nothing matters apart from being "in the club".

Now I believe you Lindzey own an internet cafe close to MA and that company people come to your establishment (something relayed to me by someone visiting there who met MA people while spending time there). While Girtsn in talking about "the club" made this statement * CLUB membership given by other kind of selection unrelated to equipment used - as there are owners of super buffs not part of the CLUB . I'm sure you can both understand how this could be perceived that eco don't mean a damn, just being friendly with the right people counts.

Now i don't mean to accuse or anything but maybe you can explain what you mean without obviously letting secrets out. It is my perceived interpretation of the posts (which hopefully i am wrong) that worry me somewhat. Hopefully one of you can clarify and i can put my mind and this post to rest.

Now I was trying to be constructive about the topic but each time on this forum people rather dont analyse facts or crunch numbers or think at all. Its easier to find some stupid clubcomments or whatever makes it relaxing to think.

We even hosting and updated the entropedia and made correct valus for accuracy and allso added possibility to calculate the effect of buffs. Even with such easily attainable information one guy can say that EST gives some 0.2%% gain and nobody challenges that thought or guys like hoost can call me desinforming when I say that critsize matters ( on my setup 100% additional critsize adds 7% "eco".....easy to compare if you take some time to actually care)

Now its white snow outside andthe kids wanna go skiing :)
 
I thought this thread was made to evaluate buff and establish which buff is worth more paying for....
Krogfan did u see me write that crit dmg buff doesnt matter???
I simply say that focused blow buff is worth more than crit dmg buff
P S i see u keep giving bits of info with the sole purpose of misleading(u share your crit dmg buff and your 108 109% return but dont share your focused blow buffs,u also dont share if 108 109% is tt or tt+mu)

I really dont care what u use ,really really dont, but when u share only half of info i call that misleading
Nothing personal with you

Have a nice winter day
 
What's the price to upgrade viceroy?

I would be very interested in that in this thread!
 
it would indeed be very interesting to update the OP to put all the reasonable estimations of the prices next to each item
sorry for the offtopics
What's the price to upgrade viceroy?
I would be very interested in that in this thread!
 
it would indeed be very interesting to update the OP to put all the reasonable estimations of the prices next to each item
sorry for the offtopics

I will do that, once i get more prices, currently there is not much to add unfortunately.


Please keep constructive comments coming.
I liked how sachi explained his way of calculating. Interesting approach. It wouldnt work for me as i have different setup already but its good to know different people have different apporaches.


/Soko
 
What's the price to upgrade viceroy?

I would be very interested in that in this thread!

Market rates are in flux, this is from the latest snapshot. Armor set markups are just taken from the male harness.

1.
[Adjusted Nanites]*14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 31600% = 4424 PED (up from ca. 20k%)
[Musca Harness (M,L)] Set = 40 PED * 163% = 65,20 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Ospra Ingot] 210 = 210 * 0,06 PED * 110% = 13,86 PED
=> total 6300 PED

2.
[Improved Nanites] 14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 25000% = 3500 PED
[Canis Harness (M,L)] Set = 120 PED * 198% = 237,60 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Banite Ingot] 70 = 70 * 0,24 PED * 105% = 17,64 PED
=> total 5552 PED

[Modified Nanites] 14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 23300% = 3262 PED
[Lupus Harness (M,L)] Set = 180 PED * 151% = 271,80 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Zulax Ingot] 28 = 28 * 1,95 PED * 110% = 60,06 PED
=> total 5391 PED
 
I sold the rage 25 for 35k last fall.
Oddly I bought it here on the forums for 5k after no-one wanted it for awhile.

Wow, I feel better now about my thoughts on impulsing buying and over paying for mine at 10k in March of last year.
 
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Market rates are in flux, this is from the latest snapshot. Armor set markups are just taken from the male harness.

1.
[Adjusted Nanites]*14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 31600% = 4424 PED (up from ca. 20k%)
[Musca Harness (M,L)] Set = 40 PED * 163% = 65,20 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Ospra Ingot] 210 = 210 * 0,06 PED * 110% = 13,86 PED
=> total 6300 PED

2.
[Improved Nanites] 14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 25000% = 3500 PED
[Canis Harness (M,L)] Set = 120 PED * 198% = 237,60 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Banite Ingot] 70 = 70 * 0,24 PED * 105% = 17,64 PED
=> total 5552 PED

[Modified Nanites] 14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 23300% = 3262 PED
[Lupus Harness (M,L)] Set = 180 PED * 151% = 271,80 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Zulax Ingot] 28 = 28 * 1,95 PED * 110% = 60,06 PED
=> total 5391 PED

Lol wow, I am glad I did it in the beginning at half price. That's amazing markup.
 
Now I was trying to be constructive about the topic but each time on this forum people rather dont analyse facts or crunch numbers or think at all. Its easier to find some stupid clubcomments or whatever makes it relaxing to think.

We even hosting and updated the entropedia and made correct valus for accuracy and allso added possibility to calculate the effect of buffs. Even with such easily attainable information one guy can say that EST gives some 0.2%% gain and nobody challenges that thought or guys like hoost can call me desinforming when I say that critsize matters ( on my setup 100% additional critsize adds 7% "eco".....easy to compare if you take some time to actually care)

Now its white snow outside andthe kids wanna go skiing :)

Yes your figures make sense to me :), just the club stuff and tiredness got me reading out of context. Anyway post deleted, and enjoy your skiing :).
 
What this thread needs is a realistic example of what dpp-buffs really does.
Take my gear for example; Adjusted Maddox + Beast amp. According to Entropedia without any buffs it does 2.955 DPP and 43.79 avg dmg per shot. Now I usually hunt until the maddox is broken that means 4218 shots. So it would do an average total of 184 706 dmg per hunt.
By adding a simple Imp Ares increases the DPP to 2,985 and avg dmg to 44,23 per shot that gives me 186 562 avd dmg per hunt. The result of this means that I would get 1856 more effective damage with the Imp Ares per hunt I do.

In my case right now hunting "big" Feffoids means that I would be able to kill 2-3 more mobs every hunt I do with the imp Ares. In the long run that means alot of more mobs I would be able to kill for the same money spent. It took me about 50 of these hunts to kill 10,000 big Feffoids. Imp Ares would have given me 100-150 more mobs to kill.

Correct me if Im wrong. Im still shaking from my visit to pornhub.

/Edgy McEdgelord
 
Market rates are in flux, this is from the latest snapshot. Armor set markups are just taken from the male harness.

1.
[Adjusted Nanites]*14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 31600% = 4424 PED (up from ca. 20k%)
[Musca Harness (M,L)] Set = 40 PED * 163% = 65,20 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Ospra Ingot] 210 = 210 * 0,06 PED * 110% = 13,86 PED
=> total 6300 PED

2.
[Improved Nanites] 14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 25000% = 3500 PED
[Canis Harness (M,L)] Set = 120 PED * 198% = 237,60 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Banite Ingot] 70 = 70 * 0,24 PED * 105% = 17,64 PED
=> total 5552 PED

[Modified Nanites] 14 = 14 * 1,00 PED * 23300% = 3262 PED
[Lupus Harness (M,L)] Set = 180 PED * 151% = 271,80 PED
[Bismuth Plating] 700 = 700 * 0,60 PED * 428% = 1797,60 PED
[Zulax Ingot] 28 = 28 * 1,95 PED * 110% = 60,06 PED
=> total 5391 PED


Wow this is amazing thank you for posting this.

Wish I did it at the start thought prices would just go down....
 
What this thread needs is a realistic example of what dpp-buffs really does.
Take my gear for example; Adjusted Maddox + Beast amp. According to Entropedia without any buffs it does 2.955 DPP and 43.79 avg dmg per shot. Now I usually hunt until the maddox is broken that means 4218 shots. So it would do an average total of 184 706 dmg per hunt.
By adding a simple Imp Ares increases the DPP to 2,985 and avg dmg to 44,23 per shot that gives me 186 562 avd dmg per hunt. The result of this means that I would get 1856 more effective damage with the Imp Ares per hunt I do.

In my case right now hunting "big" Feffoids means that I would be able to kill 2-3 more mobs every hunt I do with the imp Ares. In the long run that means alot of more mobs I would be able to kill for the same money spent. It took me about 50 of these hunts to kill 10,000 big Feffoids. Imp Ares would have given me 100-150 more mobs to kill.

Correct me if Im wrong. Im still shaking from my visit to pornhub.

/Edgy McEdgelord


Good post :)
 
from(cheap)to(expensive)
FB items:

•Easter ring 2016 - 50kto150k
•Summer ring 2016 - 20kto30k
•Ares ring FB/Reload speed/crit dmg
•Perfected 15k-20k
•Augmented 10k-15k
•Modified 5k-10k
•Improved 2.5k-5k
•Adjusted 0.1k-0.5k
•Unique Theia 15k-20k
•Ranger scope mk1 - 15k-30k
•Ranger scope mk2 - 25k-50k
•Deathbringers crown - 20k
•Viceroy (account bound) (items to have it)


Crit dmg items:
(not including rings that are mentioned above)
•Mk1 sight - 5k-10k
•Mk2 sight - 10k-15k
•EST set of 7 - 5k-8k
•Halloween ring 2015 - 15k-25k
•Unique Helios ring - 15k-20k
•Christmas ring 2015 - 10k-15k
•Unique Tethys ring - 5k-10k
•Rage 35 - 10k-35k?
•Rage 25 8k-15k
•Rage 20 5k-10k

to owners of these items: correct me if i evalueted them too little or too much.
 
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from(cheap)to(expensive)
FB items:

•Easter ring 2016 - 25kto50k
•Summer ring 2016 - 20kto30k
•Ares ring FB/Reload speed/crit dmg
•Perfected 15k-20k
•Augmented 10k-15k
•Modified 5k-10k
•Improved 1k-3k
•Adjusted 0.1k-0.5k
•Unique Theia 15k-20k
•Ranger scope mk1 - 8k-15k
•Ranger scope mk2 - 15k-30k
•Deathbringers crown - 20k
•Viceroy (account bound) (items to have it)


Crit dmg items:
(not including rings that are mentioned above)
•Mk1 sight - 5k-10k
•Mk2 sight - 10k-15k
•EST set of 7 - 5k-8k
•Halloween ring 2015 - 15k-25k
•Unique Helios ring - 15k-20k
•Christmas ring 2015 - 10k-15k
•Unique Tethys ring - 5k-10k
•Rage 35 - 10k-35k?
•Rage 25 8k-15k
•Rage 20 5k-10k

to owners of these items: correct me if i evalueted them too little or too much.

Not a bad list you have compiled - kudos for making the effort :)
 
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Of course, ultra rare item value is largely based on rumours: when I have purchased such items, I've often had sellers ask whether I want them to say a higher price than the actual sale price when people ask them about it; always hard to know whether to trust sale price rumours.

The games within the games. :laugh:

"And now, you know, the rest of the story." -Paul Harvey
 
thank you so much for all the posts. Especially for the constructive ones!
I added San's post to 2nd post as it very well shows current value of modified viceroy.

What do you think about about mk1 soght here?
I understand thread was cought in some heat about receiving mutliple buyouts and what not, but it was sold none the less. I feel like that should be put up on OP for the price of mk1 sight.


Next up i will look up easter ring sale thread to confirm price it was sold for and add that to OP. Unless that is also not a good valuation? What do u think?


/Soko
 
thank you so much for all the posts. Especially for the constructive ones!
I added San's post to 2nd post as it very well shows current value of modified viceroy.

What do you think about about mk1 soght here?
I understand thread was cought in some heat about receiving mutliple buyouts and what not, but it was sold none the less. I feel like that should be put up on OP for the price of mk1 sight.


Next up i will look up easter ring sale thread to confirm price it was sold for and add that to OP. Unless that is also not a good valuation? What do u think?


/Soko

The problem with the sight thread: is that the person who placed a BO bid removed it.
 
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The problem with the sight thread: is that the person who placed a BO bid removed it. The OP / seller said he got 2 BO bids and it sold for that, but it's impossible to know that is a fact. You'd need the buyer to post on the thread to confirm, and the buyer not to be a close associate of the seller. Neither of which has occurred?

The same applies to the easter ring, players need a confirmed sales history with seller/buyer confirmation. The buff items with alot of ingame and forum sales - summer ring, imp ares, mod ares - have enough independent sales to confirm their validity. Items like scopes, easter ring, have virtually no independent confirmed sales history to validate much. Especially since the claimed sales are way out of balance to say a summer ring avg price.

Omg ;)
Why do u want me to work so hard?
But sure, point taken. I do know the buyer for the sight and can ask him to post here if he is willing to. He is in my eyes fairly reputable and well known business holder in the game.

/Soko
 
Omg ;)
Why do u want me to work so hard?
But sure, point taken. I do know the buyer for the sight and can ask him to post here if he is willing to. He is in my eyes fairly reputable and well known business holder in the game.

/Soko

Would be cool if players know confirmed data on the sales.
 
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Would be cool if players know confirmed data on the sales, would benefit everyone: owners and future buyers. I think the rumours on the rare buff items are probably true - 60k+ mk2 scope, easter 200k+ - but believing on faith I never think is wise.

I asked the buyer about posting here and he decided not to as he wants to stay out of drama. And i understand why. Even in this thread a couple of people tried to start it up.
However the buyer of this sight later sold it for a loss of 500 peds for a quick sale as he found something more interesting for his setup.

On the part about if easter is 200k+ i wont comment. As i am an owner of easter and an owner of mk1 scope, some people may find my argument biased. Unfortunately...
 
I asked the buyer about posting here and he decided not to as he wants to stay out of drama. And i understand why. Even in this thread a couple of people tried to start it up.
However the buyer of this sight later sold it for a loss of 500 peds for a quick sale as he found something more interesting for his setup.

On the part about if easter is 200k+ i wont comment. As i am an owner of easter and an owner of mk1 scope, some people may find my argument biased. Unfortunately...

People are entitled to keep whatever they paid private.
 
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Fair enough. People are entitled to keep whatever they paid private. But on an open thread when players are trying to confirm / decide on item price information they probably need to accept that not disclosing information will lead to scepticism.

Yes i agree. After all its EU. And in economy we have these days is really not the strongest so there are many players trying to keep value up on their items. Me including i guess. Example: I had an offer on my pink bunny - 2.2k. I cant take it. I dont think the bunny is just worth nutrios i fed in it. I spent months skilling it, fed him 2.2k of nutrios and now getting an offer for that just seems unacceptable. Same story with my friend. He has a really nice armor set that he paid what was fair some years back but now the actual value similar sets been sold for is completely unnaceptable so he said: that armor is going to die with the game. Its hard truth about how the economy goes. Some people are more desperate than others. And some will never accept that their items are worth prolly 10% to what they paid for. Not saying its wrong. I do exact same thing.
Back in 2007-8 economy was different. People were paying more n more for same items. My mentor sold his mod fap for 500k. If i had paid that for my modfap these days and now would be looking to sell it for 30% of what i paid...

Ok sorry for my flood of thoughts. I still hope some reasonable price tags can be put on the buff items or at least we can find a good way to value them to reflect the economy.

/Soko
 
Not a bad list you have compiled - kudos for making the effort :) - I think the easter ring, scopes, unique rings and imp ares you are wrong on: those being worth 2x the value, either way, at a minimum.

That said, ultra rare item value are largely based on rumours: when I have purchased such items, I've often had sellers ask whether I want them to say a higher price than the actual sale price when people ask them about it; always hard to know whether to trust sale price rumours. For example, the widespread rumour is the easter ring was sold for 300k+, but 99% of people who say it did are basing that on what someone else told them.

well for some items, especially unique one probably ur rite we arrive at a point that buffs have no effect on price at all because the only way to let the seller get it out his hands is making an offer he think acceptable. While in real life some people just get desperate and get forced to sell some items underpriced, in this game it rarely happen, unless someone quits, hell never sell an item lower than he bought. That also create other problems but talking about them will results offtopic.

i still think over 50k for an easter ring will be crazy to pay (ull never get a return u die b4 it pays back o_O) but untill it the best item in total for focus blow and fb have a very high demand unfortunally there will be probably people ready to offer more.
 
the value of an item is the amount the buyer would pay for and the seller is willing to accept this amount for the sale. everyone has different personal values to stuff.
 
the value of an item is the amount the buyer would pay for and the seller is willing to accept this amount for the sale. everyone has different personal values to stuff.

did u read it in a chinese fortune bisquit?
i think is much more complex than that, the value of an item is a mix of its buffs, the availability (wich is not necessary the amounth in game, take lands for example), the demand, and maybe the personal stuff can affect up to 20% but nomore, u will never pay 20kped for a fenris shotgun no matter how many are avaiable, unless ur getting scammed or trying to scam somone, in that case ur not useful to community u may just quit the game and do everyone a favour
 
well for some items, especially unique one probably ur rite we arrive at a point that buffs have no effect on price at all because the only way to let the seller get it out his hands is making an offer he think acceptable. While in real life some people just get desperate and get forced to sell some items underpriced, in this game it rarely happen, unless someone quits, hell never sell an item lower than he bought. That also create other problems but talking about them will results offtopic.

i still think over 50k for an easter ring will be crazy to pay (ull never get a return u die b4 it pays back o_O) but untill it the best item in total for focus blow and fb have a very high demand unfortunally there will be probably people ready to offer more.

I stopped bidding at 250k for the easterring, Id been a happy buyer even at higher values back then. Now maybe I wouldnt pay as much but allso some day Id love to count some math with you about the effects of buffs. A previous person stated ehat an imp ares does on a pretty low level weapon, imagine the change when you put that to a high dps weapon!? :)
 
I stopped bidding at 250k for the easterring, Id been a happy buyer even at higher values back then. Now maybe I wouldnt pay as much but allso some day Id love to count some math with you about the effects of buffs. A previous person stated ehat an imp ares does on a pretty low level weapon, imagine the change when you put that to a high dps weapon!? :)

with 250k u get to save up 450ped peds per week just by investing them in cld, point is can u save 450ped a week with 1%more fb? i dont think so...
so if u cicle more than 50kped a week with best eco hunting then yes, otherwise no
 
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