Info: Gambling

[mastermesh]

https://legal.entropiauniverse.com/legal/eula.xml
Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe.

https://cyreneforum.com/threads/cyrene-booth-event-rare-loot-raffle.8450/ - Raffle

https://www.virtualsense.eu/forum/threads/firefists-customer-reward-program.8894/post-56281 - Raffle

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...fle-by-entropiainvest-com.271678/post-3692818 - Rafle

Goldgrinder - Raffle



I'm fairly sure there's lots of other examples out there. What good is an eula if it's never enforced?

There was an annoucement a while ago, but similar enforcement never really arrived, ever.

Entropia Universe - Official Policy Regarding Participant-Organized Events

Recently, certain types of participant-organized events in Entropia Universe have become increasingly popular that include a raffle, sweepstakes or ot

www.entropiauniverse.com

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2020-04-30

Official Policy Regarding Participant-Organized Events​

Recently, certain types of participant-organized events in Entropia Universe have become increasingly popular that include a raffle, sweepstakes or other randomized or chance-based component.
Because the marketing of such “raffle” and “sweepstakes” events has become more aggressive over time, and the events have an increasing emphasis on random selection of prize winners, it has become necessary for MindArk to announce and enforce a detailed policy for such events and activities.
Section 8.14 of the Entropia Universe End User License Agreement states:
Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe.
In accordance with that section of the EULA, the following policy will be in effect and enforced starting on May 1, 2020:
All participant-organized events or activities that include any sort of randomized winner selection and/or prize distribution process or component are prohibited in Entropia Universe.
This policy is important to ensure that MindArk and Entropia Universe remain in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.
If you are uncertain whether an event or activity violates this policy, please open a support case with a detailed description of your proposed event or activity, and the support team will provide guidance. For previously-existing ongoing events that may be in violation of this policy, please contact support for assistance.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

 

[AckerZ]

Im confused, do you want these events banned?

 

[Svako]

What exactly makes goldgrinder a raffle?

 

[Msturlese]

In a very general framework... every HSL event is a raffle.... there is a random number that is the biggest loot achieved int he event
i think this side of eula is to be read in a more "gambling" way
like player 1 2 and 3 party and say let's bet 10 ped i am the first to drop "item x"
that is pure gambling
if we modify evenbts in "who kill mroe monster" it is simnl0y a reward for highest dps participants.
so many events include randomness to allow less powerful players to have a chance. defining them a Raffle seems excessive.

as per goldgrinder i think it is a "point reward system" ... seems very distant froma raffle (i have no interest in that event)
more a "fidelity reward" for killing in taxed zones.
sadly LA capability is really POOR in EU, i suppose a more intelligent system would be a "Land Area codex" that rise with decay spent in the land area and can be used by land area owners to reward loyal customers.. but we use what we have.....

 

[Svarog]

You are forcing MA into an uncomfortable situation here because they do have to make all those statements for legal reasons but choose to turn a blind eye to those events to let us entertain ourselves for the lack of official entertainments. Of course, they gotta take some actions when someone's rubbing their noses in this situation, so... a new statement soon? Can't see how does it hurt you or anyone personally, anyway.

 

[minim]

But they keep the condition slider in crafting. Who are we trying to fool here

 

[warmdogg]

But they keep the condition slider in crafting. Who are we trying to fool here

Condition is still extremely predictable over a long period.

Raffles by nature are unpredictable and should be treated with care given how close to the line entropia already is.

not to be a spoil sport, I enjoy a raffle as much as anyone, but I also enjoy entropia and my peds and MA losing their license puts that at risk.

 

[allarom]

FYI: Cyrene booth raffle is not a "Participant-Organized Events"

 

[minim]

Condition is still extremely predictable over a long period.

Raffles by nature are unpredictable and should be treated with care given how close to the line entropia already is.

not to be a spoil sport, I enjoy a raffle as much as anyone, but I also enjoy entropia and my peds and MA losing their license puts that at risk.

So is a slot machine

 

[morey]

Just to add, our event was clearly shut down due to raffle, and we did not continue to run raffle like events.
You can see at the bottom.

15K PED MAD MAY RAFFLE! - By EntropiaInvest.com

15K PED MAD MAY RAFFLE! EVENT DURATION From MAY 01.2020 to MAY 31.2020 HUNTING TAX AYIDA/NAGA/ENYO : 4.0% HUNTING TAX AAKAS : 4.5% MINING TAX AYIDA/NAGA/ENYO/AAKAS: 3.5% EVENT LAND AREAS AAKAS ISLAND Magurg Male Stalkers: L41 - 3820 HP / 190 max damage /wp [Arkadia,50798,19047...

www.planetcalypsoforum.com

Got locked same day

 

[True Juan]

Just a thought:

Explo and Shrapnel blueprints were not here when MA had a check if its gambling.

If someone gets rekt really bad and decides to sue MA I believe MA could actually face some problems...

Before players had to use resources from other players. Now you are buying tickets(nanocubes) directly from MA. Huge difference there...

 

[Msturlese]

we are so used to see EP as gambling tool that no one consider the fct that those produce explosive projectiles that are usd form some kind of weapons....
that would be the defense of MA... EP blueprints are to make AMMO, just like sweating and nexus are to make ME.
if someone use it for other means, it is his decision.
craft eh EP that you shoot... and Caveat Emptor.....
Btw EP crafting is so interesting because there is NO markup in base materials involved so it is good for crafters
before EP blueprints ppl "gambled" on other items... look ATH
precision scope, laser sighe, pistol, amps
then EP arrived, and no markup involved, same returns.,
i think Ep crafters average 98% as other ppl, but they sometime drop recylce, opals, and such.....
seldom a global come without a loss preceding it :-(

 

[mastermesh]

FYI: Cyrene booth raffle is not a "Participant-Organized Events"

Virtual Sense events are not either but they changed they way they did things as a result of Mindark's statement...

Official Policy Regarding Participant-Organized Events

Official Policy Regarding Participant-Organized Events Recently, certain types of participant-organized events in Entropia Universe have become increasingly popular that include a raffle, sweepstakes or other randomized or chance-based component. Because the marketing of such “raffle” and...

www.virtualsense.eu

May 1, 2020

I've had a discussion with Ant, and due to the new MA policy, we will no longer include the following in our events:

• random global/hof prizes
• guess the 12, 24 or 48 hour globals/hofs to win a ped prize
• apartments that require a specific number in a global/hof in order to win them
• Sith Meister's bonus prize of a D-Class Amp because it requires a specific global/hof number (169)

As a side-note, we are very low on available apartments, and I'm not sure we can give what's left away in any other manner that wouldn't violate the new policy, so this too will probably not be available for events.

However, there have been times in the past where we have given away an apartment to someone who has made continuous and beneficial contributions to the Monria community, and this is something I will discuss with Ant to see if that is still possible, but as mentioned above, we only have a few apartments left.

It is always our hope that participants engage in our events in the spirit in which they are meant, and we are appreciative of those who share time with us and partake in the craziness that can often turn into chaotic fun.

Remember one thing ... on Monria, always "Expect the Unexpected" ... that will never change.

(could be one of the few examples of where Virtualsense actually is following Mindark's rulings more than other Planets instead of the other way around... )

My understanding is that all Planet Partners have to more or less follow the eula since they are just considered 'big time investor/participants' essentially.

 

[Spawn]

Mastermesh, you've been on the high horse for years about shops and houses and appartements.
Now cyrene finally got an event where everyone can participate to Hunt, find a rare loot and get a ticket to win a stopping booth, and you play the gambling card? What is your motive here?
You couldn't shoot a level 11 Duster to find a "rare" flesh?

 

[Hego Damask]

All participant-organized events or activities that include any sort of randomized winner selection and/or prize distribution process or component are prohibited in Entropia Universe.

Planet Partners probably not count as participant.
This is probably for LA owner's.

 

[mastermesh]

What is your motive here?

Motive is as usual. Allow everyone including planet partners to play fairly and follow the rules. Get Mindark to actually enforce rules they set up. If gambling is not allowed on a moon why allow it on a planet? Why let these guys do this but not those guys?

 

[mastermesh]

What is your motive here?

Motive is as usual. Allow everyone including planet partners to play fairly and follow the rules. Get Mindark to actually enforce rules they set up. If gambling is not allowed on a moon why allow it on a planet? Why let these guys do this but not those guys? Slippery slope. If Cyrene can do it why not LA owners? Looking forward to the crypto slots on rocktropia next year

 

[FireFist]

I mean whats the difference here than say a LA's creating an event where you buy a "ticket" and highest globals win the rewards?...whats the difference here? lol since we know globals arent garunteed and you're actually purchasing a "ticket" to enter an event that is purely based on who has the best luck in globals lol Your post literally would suggest LA's could no longer do events with prizes because it could be considered "gambling" lol

The term itself "raffle" doesnt mean gambling... Theres real life events where u get a ticket for simply showing up. which then would get raffled and you win something thats a raffle. no RISK... gambling means "the practice or activity of betting : the practice of risking money or other stakes in a game or bet"
Since you brought my Reward Program into this I can assure you there is no RISK involved for simply coming into my shop to purchase very very fairly priced items within my shop simply to continue of hunting or mining in the planet or leave the planet in general... Again the term "Raffle" does not mean gambling or imply risk... FireFist out...lmfao

But, for your info ive paused the program due to your post submitted a ticket to MA to get further confirmation on what they consider "gambling" within the game...

@Ludvig|MindArk can we get a better clarification in this subject plz

-Edit-
After I posted I thought that maybe I should give an example of what a raffle (Gamble) Would sound like. We have X raffle ticket they are 10 peds each and once all tickets are purchased the tickets will be raffled off for the prize poll which would be X and only X players win these rewards...Notice how they put money up front with the intention to "win" additional money...There is RISK and there is the handing over money specifically to Win the reward...
"the practice or activity of betting : the practice of risking money or other stakes in a game or bet"

A raffle in itself isnt gambling just like horses racing isnt gambling...its about whats happening in those event and the outcomes to determine if its "gambling"

 

[Xanato Xan Kaso]

sadly LA capability is really POOR in EU, i suppose a more intelligent system would be a "Land Area codex" that rise with decay spent in the land area and can be used by land area owners to reward loyal customers.. but we use what we have.....

I never read this thread until today. But have you seen my event??

 

[Msturlese]

@ Xanato i saw and voted no on the poll

 

[Xanato Xan Kaso]

@ Xanato i saw and voted no on the poll

I was referring to the one in my signature. The one in the poll has not been created and is being workshopped. But since I have your attention, why did you vote no?

 

[Msturlese]

because i dont gamble the island is mandatory.... scipulor just exist there so is a mandatory spot
to me were hard L30 so higher maturity i cant hunt .
as 90% of hunters i have entropia life enabled and also the BIG addon....
i can only say that reducing tax rate is a good thing. these days MU is really low due to lack of buyers and few players
give me 30 level more and i will kill some there too

 

[JohnCapital]

What good is an eula if it's never enforced?

You NEVER:
speed
jaywalk
litter
remove a single pen (or other item belonging to the company you work for) from company property

and you ALWAYS:
fill out ALL paperwork, tax forms, etc. exactly 100%, correct,, with the most accurate details, even if it's not in your best interest.

Good to know.


My point is, yes, folks get away with little law-breaks, and yes, in rare cases, someone is actually charged under those same laws. It may be unfair, but currently there's leeway for when folks decide to press charges, or when those charges are followed.

 

[TheOneOmega]

You've committed yourself to at least two premises; that the content this thread discusses constitute EULA violations in virtue of their being illegal in at least some relevant jurisdictions, and that all rule violations should be equally and fully enforced. If both of these premises are correct, then this thread violates PCF Rule 2.12 and should not exist.

2.12 - Illegal Content
Any discussion of, or links to web sites promoting software piracy, warez, illegal downloads, cracks, cd keys, illegal file-sharing, pornography, illegal drugs, or any other illegal or similar content will be deleted without notice and may result in a temporary or permanent ban from the forum without notice. Such discussions and links are totally inappropriate on PlanetCalypsoForum (and often illegal in the US, Europe and most other countries).

If, on the other hand, it is appropriate for this thread to exist, then at least one of your premises must be false, and the central question of this thread has been answered conclusively.

 

[IsDaDr]

Created a support ticket after reading this thread here is the response

 

[Deemer]

Created a support ticket after reading this thread here is the response

I couldn't figure out what kind of type are those who own planets... non-participants?

Or this means the Event can be organized by Apartament-12, but not by its owner?

I'm sorry, my English is not good and I'm obviously missing the basics. Can anyone clarify, please.

 

[FireFist]

I couldn't figure out what kind of type are those who own planets... non-participants?

Or this means the Event can be organized by Apartament-12, but not by its owner?

I'm sorry, my English is not good and I'm obviously missing the basics. Can anyone clarify, please.

It means in a nutshell the players cannot create in these activities but, the devs are allowed to create these activities on their planets

 

[mastermesh]

Entropia platform - Vincere B.V.

That idea tanked, but more than likely another one may come now that Mindark has confirmed that gambling is allowed if Planet Partner is who is in charge... Looking forward to the second planet in the cyrene twin dual planet orbit being nothing but a series of casinos or something similar... Hell, Neverdie ought to just change the thing to a casino since he has more know how in what he's doing... it'd fit rocktropia lifestyle more imho. Crypto gambling with ped. Law makers are gonna love that idea.

Curious why full fledged planets can allow it but moon owners cannot. Really blurry slippery slope since now the same party that owns Monria owns Toulan...

 

[San]

We had this discussion come up many times like a bad penny. I don't get what people hope to achieve who are constantly harping on the fragile legal status of gambling. You want the plugs pulled on the game? And then? Is that why you are here?

Too many people, and therefore also lawmakers, don't understand that principles also underlying gambling are at the very foundation of nature. Quantum physics in today's culture has become a synonym for incomprehensible, while in reality it can be summarized in one sentence: At the elementary level, each event has a random outcome, but the statistical result of a large number of events is not random. In other words, their probability is bound to fixed laws and formulas. The rest is details you may or may not be interested in, but this principle should be easy enough to grok.

At least you have to, if you want to play Entropia without losing your shirt. Our game and others like it are a simulation of the above. Even classic Poker: Each hand you are dealt is random, the skill game lies in how you process these chances over a large number of rounds. Lawmakers didn't even get that (or ignored it with intent) when they outlawed online Poker, in America, the land of the free, out of all. Talk about stupid bureaucrats drunk with whatever powers they were given, and we let them because we're too lazy, or even proud of calling them down on someone else's pleasure. It gets really dumb though when this falls on your own feet. Will this make anyone think twice? I'm afraid not.

 

[Guarana]

Well u can look at it this way. What if instead of everyone putting their tickets in a hat and after x amount of time we draw 5 random lucky winners.

What happends if we already pre set that ticket number 5 - 68 - 120 - 200 - 500 that is in this case looted wins a booth

both a raffle? =P