Has anybody bought mining maps

My not so vast experience (little more than a year) showed me this exact same results!

Kinda same. Best in my life was 40%, but its only once. mostly its 20-35% (non CND mining) range. Best amount of claims in a row... i think 10. Mostly its 3-5. Getting 6-7 i consider as good payback day and luck. Even such "events" happens very rare and does nothing with mining fields and minerals around.
20+ hits in a row was posible pregold or early gold, same goes for constantly respawning veins @ same spots.

So generaly speaking i would you recomend NOT to buy such maps. Specialy after so "strange" claims from veteran miner. I hardly can imagine other reason, as easy money, why should someone try to feed peopels with 5+ years old stories :D
 
I have done some experimenting, and according to my studies average claim rate on Calypso is about 25%
 
does the map sold change from VU to another VU, maybe because veins and types changed also?
 
Hurry! hurry! hurry! Come all or come one everyone gather about I am about to tell you the secret to making profit from EU on day one. Yes after extensive research and patience I have discovered the way to put money in your pocket and a smile on your face. Hurry! hurry! hurry! come all or come one into my tent of miracle profits for all to see you'll be amazed at how simple a thing it really is it will only cost you a mere $20.00 of which you will make that back in no time knowing my secrets of the game hurry! hurry! hurry!come all or come one. Someone from the crowd pipes up "I too have made a profit from his tent full O secrets" and another says "I got paid to play"

The masses gather around and pay their $20.00 to enter my tent full of secrets. Ohh what joy what fun wait a minute.............his secret is sweating WTF sweating......... :mad:

hehehe. Needless to say I won't be buying any mining maps or selling my guarantee to day one profit. To me its like selling a book on how to make money the only person making money is the one offering the book. Most info can be found for free or by actually experiencing the game yourself.

I do have some miracle tonic that is my Grand Pappys recipe I might sell, I have heard it cures all. :laugh:
 
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I'm still waiting for my video :rolleyes:
 
Artrat, so you want a video to prove veins exist? That mines can be found in at regular intervals in a single direction?

I will settle for one that shows 20 consecutive claims.

I have nrf logs of every single bomb I have ever dropped. As a particular example I have records of over 2500 finds (note: finds, not drops) within the same area that I rebombed over the course of about 6 months. In this area you can find: Lyst, Zinc, Narc and very occasionally Azz. My logs lead me to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have an equal chance of getting a find anywhere within this area (+_ 25%), and that it will be one of these 4 ores, depending on the balancing managers mood. I have bombed every square inch of this area, and no long term pattern has emerged.

This leads me to believe, that THERE ARE NO VEINS. I am open-minded though, please prove me wrong.

I have nothing personally against you, or anyone else trying to make a few ped in this game.

But you are essentially taking your opinion (i.e. the existence of veins), marketing it as fact (without any proof), and charging people for it.

I do understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I am under no illusion that I have got it all figured out, but I'm not charging people $20 a pop for my opinion.

Just my :twocents:
 
Is he for real or not…A Woman’s View…

Hello all, let me introduce myself, I am the creator of the mining maps. So take my comments, knowing I have a stake in the thread.
(being open and honest)]

The “honey I’m being open and honest” line…A sure sign that the next words from a guy will be pure brukite…;)

Keeping secrets is part of being a successful miner.]

“Keeping secrets is a part of being a successful”…anything…Is a sure sign he’s not telling you about his wife…or unemployed...:rolleyes:

These maps are one of many resources available to miners of EU. When asked by starting miners, "what can I do to have the best chances at mining", my response is not to purchase a map. Instead I tell them, the best path is to find a good mining mentor who can guide, instruct, and assist you.

Translated: "I know you won’t believe me…but I often steer women to other men because I’m so concerned that they find true happiness…but my apartment is two blocks…away if you’d like to see my collection of maps for yourself…":eek:

However, if they do believe the maps give them an advantage, they may be less likely to share (secretive miners and such). ]

"I’ve satisfied many a woman’s desires the fact that they don’t mention it is that they want to keep me for themselves"…as you look around the bar only to see ten other girls giving you a limp dick sign…:(

As always let me give a disclaimer, again we are consistently being open, honest, and reputable: There is no guarantee included. Many factors play into mining in Entropia Universe. The actions of other players, game updates, design changes, and random luck all can impact the success of a mining run. Take this as real information of actual mining runs which were successful and repeated many times.

"I swear this has never happened to me before…usually I can go 20-30 times in a row…must be the alcohol, my viagra must be out of date, or maybe it’s you…of course it must be you and I can’t be held responsible for that…can I?…I was being open and honest…don't go...can I call you...I have a diagram... of a vibrator...honest...":rolleyes:

Mapmaker at best your like most men…you miss the obvious.

If there was system or game logic that you could figure out…and consistently beat to make profit from this game…It would not have lasted 2 years...before MA went broke…

That’s at best…second best...is that you have become a victim of your own male insanity…which is to make your own bunch maps and diagrams that fit your own pre-conceived logic…based on your own interpretation...of your own non-independently verified evidence…

Better known to women as “Honey I know where I’m going…I know a short cut…”

The worst case is that your vague background, inability to offer any supportable and verifiable facts and your totally outlandish claim of 30 hits in row…sure makes me believe that you are full of…real brukite…

As far as I know and based on my evidence...there is only one true path to success in mining "woman's intuition":D

Sorry guys you'll have to buy a map...;) or mine with me...;)

only 200 peds worth of charges...
 
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I bought these maps and now I profit constantly :yay:
 
I don't see how mining maps would actually work. Mindark has stated countless times that the system gathers inputs from ALL participants, creating a truly dynamic system, and yes that IS true, nothing is static, it is constantly changing. The only way that a mining map would work is IF someone actually figured out when respawns happen.

I have my ideas on when that is, but I am not talking.
 
I will settle for one that shows 20 consecutive claims.

I have nrf logs of every single bomb I have ever dropped. As a particular example I have records of over 2500 finds (note: finds, not drops) within the same area that I rebombed over the course of about 6 months. In this area you can find: Lyst, Zinc, Narc and very occasionally Azz. My logs lead me to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that I have an equal chance of getting a find anywhere within this area (+_ 25%), and that it will be one of these 4 ores, depending on the balancing managers mood. I have bombed every square inch of this area, and no long term pattern has emerged.

This leads me to believe, that THERE ARE NO VEINS. I am open-minded though, please prove me wrong.

Let me see if I can help.

First, let’s define terms. A ‘vein’ is a series of mines, which could include a mix of both ores and enmatter, which are aligned in a general direction and occur at approximately the same distance. As an example, I might find a vein which travels North and South in direction. I drop a bomb and find some Iron ore. I travel 100m North (or whatever distance based upon your skills/equipment) and bomb again. This time I find Melchi. I continue 100m North and find Blaus. I move north again and again, finding mines at regular intervals. I do this until the vein ends and I no longer find any mines. This is a vein. Once you get proficient, you will be able to travel the right distance and have the mining rods appear right next to you. Now, the unknowns: What type of or/enmatter at each mine, cannot be predicted with full certainty. Most areas have a group of ores and enmatters which are common. These are most likely, but I have not found any pattern which indicates which ore/enmatter will be found, just the location. The size of the find also cannot be predicted. These two factors insure there cannot be a guarantee of profit. But, avoiding ‘misses’ helps greatly in the economics of mining.

Miners need information, not just data. It sounds like you have a good amount of data for a specific area. But how you are using it to derive conclusions is problematic. Basically, you are looking at the 2 dimensional (x and y coordinates) of all your mining runs for that zone. Doing so will produce what appears to be a massive scatter-graph in which no pattern becomes discernable. You are missing the third element which is necessary to see the pattern: time. For it to make sense, you must understand how the game engine replenishes mines.

Over time (nobody really knows the duration) the game engine replenishes mines. The game engine lays down these mines in veins so miners can again find them. Here is the important part. They will not be created in the exact same spot as the previous vein. They will however be nearby and will align themselves in the same direction as the previous vein. So, take our example from above. We find the North/South vein and mine it. After a period of time the game engine replenishes the area. A new vein is created, nearby, say 40m away from the first (nobody knows exactly how far away, each time is different) but the vein continues in the North/South orientation, just as the vein we mined previously. Now, if no other miners have not gotten there first, we will be able to go back to the area, search until we find a mine and then continue our normal pattern North every 100m. This is the predictability factor in which I speak and have used successfully for many years.

So back to your data and conclusions. Your scatter-graph of data is showing you an overlap of veins over time. The pattern becomes indistinguishable. Like a painter using one stroke to paint a wall. When he is done, the stroke cannot be discerned. It all blends together. However, if you look at his strokes individually, it quickly becomes apparent what direction his is brushing the paint.

I hope this perspective is useful. Now armed with this information you will be looking for veins in your area. I bet you find some. Maybe then you can come back to this thread and report to everyone. I can make a video proving veins do in fact exist, but it seems like a lot of work on my behalf for something I and many veteran miners know and use everyday. I would rather be mining or making maps for those miners who want them.
 
I can make a video proving veins do in fact exist, but it seems like a lot of work on my behalf for something I and many veteran miners know and use everyday. I would rather be mining or making maps for those miners who want them.


You lost me and I bet just about everyone else here. Making a video seems like a very small amount of work on your behalf for something you are charging for. This is not even the first time I've seen the "i can make a video proving my point but it's too much work" line.
 
I've pretty much wasted all the money I care to waste.
I tried my hand at mining, and while I enjoy the random find I find, it's not something I want to spend all my time doing.

I've tried my hand at crafting, and while I've a little luck there, sitting in front of a slot machi.. err, crafting machine is not my idea of a good time.

I'd rather waste my ped shooting at something that fights back - I like the thrill of the hunt, even if the loot sucks.

So I don't see me wasting any more money on things like Mining Maps, which, depending on one's interpretation of the EULA and ToU, might be considered a "peripheral service" and thus prohibited...

After all, the translation from EULA-ese to English is: "Only MindArk and their Planet Partners may make money off EU."

~I
 
Thanks miningmaps for providing an insight into your research and how you came to make your maps and your claims...:)

I don't see why you wouldn't make a video as it would greatly help your sales and actually allow you to charge more, or give more for the value if you included it in the package...but as they say your business is your business...

I wish you luck and may the goddess of HOF's...be with you:cool:

This is not a recommendation for buying the maps as most of the information and resource maps are here for free...but you certainly have the right to package and produce your information and sell it for what ever you can get...:) I would however put your disclaimers in bold type...

My mom once gave me this advice "If it was easy...it would be easy".

She was however talking to me about men...

"men"..."mining"..."maps"...pretty much produce the same results;)

About a 35% hit rate at best...while waiting for a HOF to make it all worth it...:rolleyes:
 
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I can make a video proving veins do in fact exist, but it seems like a lot of work on my behalf for something I and many veteran miners know and use everyday. I would rather be mining or making maps for those miners who want them.

Yea, you lost me here too. I find it hard to believe that you "don't have time " to make what would be the best marketing material you could possibly have for your product.

Your theories are interesting, and I see what you're saying about the graphs over time having less meaning, but without proof, they remain just theories, which you're charging people money for.

Which of course you are perfectly entitled to, but you've got to expect people to raise an eyebrow.

My offer still stands, if you can show me proof of 20+ claims I will become the best unofficial (and unpaid) spokesman and salesman of your maps that you could hope for, but I'm not holding my breath :).
 
hm just ned to say sum

i am level 67 proc and level 59 syrving

and haw minet in 3½ yers now

and a 1 yer old miner in pe can make maps and say wher ther ores is lol

that is tortly bull shit for ther turnes now and then espiceli ther rear ores move a lot

so that wod say he ned to update thos maps its week and ned a team of lik 10 or 15 miners to get ther right info


i am a dam good miner and irght at ther moment i got big problems to find eny good claims and rear ores
for ther movet a lot of them


so i wod call ther minge mpas for a light scamm to try to trik mony out of pepols

i haw lookt at all ther other products to on that sels site and wod say most ther is tortly wild ower pricest so if eny pay thos amount ther ar rely stupit to do that

if ther prices was right and so on and it was old miners ther haw mad ther maps it cut be sum good bud a noob miner ther haw only minet 1 yer lol thats bull shit


sory just ned to say that


o yes nother thing if you wont my zandium cords to find ther sum plac her on EF i haw written them down to all can yous it her
cant find ther url my self right now bud i now its her
 
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Good Point...

for ther turnes now and then espiceli ther rear ores move a lot

so that wod say he ned to update thos maps its week and ned a team of lik 10 or 15 miners to get ther right info

Ben makes a good point...that the maps have to be readjusted and verified regulary...to be of any real value...

Friendly Legal Advice Mapmaker....Another very important point is have you paid for the rights and have permission to use copyrighted material for commercial purposes...such as the maps of the contentinents...even the names of the minerals are copyrighted...you should check...with MA...before the lawsuit...this goes for the the store selling them as well...
 
The reason that mining maps wont work is that you cannot account for things that are out of your control, you have things that the system does in response to x, but without a proper "concept" document of how it all works, you cant prove anything.

Problem is as well, as soon as such a document is released, the servers will close for a patch or update, rendering the document useless. I know what Mindark is trying to achieve, but maths is one fickle b1tch to master, prime numbers are the worst.
 
Go figure...

With billions of dollars of computers, satellites, the most sophistcated equipmentand detection gear and maps up the kazoo...update by the minute by an army that spans the world...they still can't...predict the weather with a 40% accuracy more seven days in advance...much less find on any map anywhere after seven years...a six foot tall Saudi video producer attached to a IV poll wandering the hills of Aganistan...:scratch2:
 
Entropia is man made, there are certain aspects that are predictable, eg when I do X, Y happens, build up these relationships, then abuse them.
 
Entropia is man made, there are certain aspects that are predictable, eg when I do X, Y happens, build up these relationships, then abuse them.

Exactly like when u drop a mine u may find some minerals.....or not :cool:
 
Entropia is man made, there are certain aspects that are predictable, eg when I do X, Y happens, build up these relationships, then abuse them.

Yes you're are right...and like baseball that's what gives some a slightly better percentage of hits...you will correct me if I'm wrong...but in the end I havn't seen anybody here reporting more than an overall 35% success rate on hits...If we exclude Map maker's claim of 20-30 in row...;)
 
My own not inconsiderable mining experience leads me to believe that you cannot predict whether you will hit or not: certain ores occur in a certain area, you have a base 25% chance to "hit" in that area; which ore will be determined by finder, skills and luck.

Now this is all just my opinion, but your mining maps pitch seems to indicate that you KNOW how the mining system works, which I BELIEVE to be a lie.

You can predict where you will hit, or well you can predict pretty close to where the hit will be, depending on what skillgain you get and if you get a hit or not. This tells you where the next hit is at. My system is roughly 95% done and at the moment it works well enough to give me a really good hitrate. The exact hitrate i'm gonna calculate later today hopefully.


I have bombed every square inch of this area, and no long term pattern has emerged.

This leads me to believe, that THERE ARE NO VEINS. I am open-minded though, please prove me wrong.

There is no real pattern, if you ask me. But you can discern the current pattern by using skills and log how the vein is traveling across the landscape and yes there are veins. They are no longer straight though.





Those are veins that i followed using skillgains.

Entropia is man made, there are certain aspects that are predictable, eg when I do X, Y happens, build up these relationships, then abuse them.

I'm abusing :D
 
You can predict where you will hit, or well you can predict pretty close to where the hit will be, depending on what skillgain you get and if you get a hit or not. This tells you where the next hit is at. My system is roughly 95% done and at the moment it works well enough to give me a really good hitrate. The exact hitrate i'm gonna calculate later today hopefully.

Excellent point...can't wait to see your end calculations...

I feel like I'm at race track:laugh:

Question: the boxes at the bottom are the cumlative from when you strated playing or just when signed on to the tracker...?
 
My system is roughly 95% done and at the moment it works well enough to give me a really good hitrate. The exact hitrate i'm gonna calculate later today hopefully.

So will you be slapping on a big amp?
 
You can predict where you will hit, or well you can predict pretty close to where the hit will be, depending on what skillgain you get and if you get a hit or not. This tells you where the next hit is at. My system is roughly 95% done and at the moment it works well enough to give me a really good hitrate. The exact hitrate i'm gonna calculate later today hopefully.

I look forward to seeing your results :), believe me no-one will be happier than me if someone CAN prove that mining is not just random, all I'm saying is that nothing I have seen so far proves that it's not.

I have yet to see anyone offer proof that they can consistently achieve an average hit-rate of over 25%. I'd love it if someone could, because I don't particularly enjoy playing slots, but it would have to be a pretty large sample to convince me. ~10000 drops would probably be enough to constitute proof IMO.
 
You can predict where you will hit, or well you can predict pretty close to where the hit will be, depending on what skillgain you get and if you get a hit or not. This tells you where the next hit is at. My system is roughly 95% done and at the moment it works well enough to give me a really good hitrate. The exact hitrate i'm gonna calculate later today hopefully.

Well when you perfect your sistem at 100% accuracy then i urge u to go to CP and make a little experiment: drop some probs get some skills ( because that is how it works skills are based on input peds ) and go chase some claims under aurli's arse :silly2:
 
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