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Alina said:
You do shrapnel on condition and now you complain about 100 bombs run lol. Mining is still there, im not saying its good as used to be markup wise but the TT returns are still there.
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That's not teaching me. Doing shrapnel on condition is stupid but fun. For the few that hit 100k+ more than once in a few months, that's really fun. It's still stupid, but it's darn exciting.

Supposedly, mining is boring but smart. I had no fun with shrapnel (i.e. I lost big) so I switched over to the "smart" form of playing. Then, since the "smart" form of playing didn't work, I switched back to having fun. That's my business and I'm happy to discuss results openly. Since I started playing, though, I have found that neither "smart" nor "dumb" play works.

Again, I offer you to teach me. In theory, mining should be able to work for everyone. You get a nice 95-97% TT return, you make MU sales, everybody wins. MindArk wins, the players win, everybody wins. But in reality, it simply doesn't happen that way. And, again, the fact that there are basically no official statements from MindArk discussing the black box of mining doesn't make the process any less opaque.

My complaining isn't based on 100-drop runs. My complaining is the culmination of thousands of dollars spent playing the game the "right" way and still losing my shirt.
 
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I wont teach you shit my dude. You are on your own. All i wanted to say you did it wrong when u gave 100 bomb examples. You can come after a very good period, we dont know that.

My only problem with some players like you is when you do stupid claims. You can't go shoot 1 mob and say "oh i want 98% return". Its same thing with some dudes after crafting for 2-3 years they dont understand long term if the BP is maxed they are still at 42% SR but no "look i clicked 20 clicks and had 2 success"- "crafting is BROKEN MA fix it"- pure stupidity.

Im done have fun.
 
Alina said:
I wont teach you shit my dude. You are on your own. All i wanted to say you did it wrong when u gave 100 bomb examples. You can come after a very good period, we dont know that.

My only problem with some players like you is when you do stupid claims. You can't go shoot 1 mob and say "oh i want 98% return". Its same thing with some dudes after crafting for 2-3 years they dont understand long term if the BP is maxed they are still at 42% SR but no "look i clicked 20 clicks and had 2 success"- "crafting is BROKEN MA fix it"- pure stupidity.

Im done have fun.
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I don't mind being insulted, but I also believe wholeheartedly that my claims are valid, and I think a lot of people resonate with what I'm saying. I wish you all the best in your experience with the game - that's what I wish for everyone who plays it. We don't have to be at odds with one another simply because you are successful and I am not - I congratulate you on your success. The admonition to "teach me" was a challenge, not a request. Since you won't, I am still sticking to my claim as below:

My claim stands - MA should publish information pertaining to mining. If skills, game knowledge, and gear really make a difference, we should be provided with an official statement that removes at least some of the opacity. Right now, we have nothing.
 
John uncguy43 Williams said:
Okay, teach me. PM me and teach me how to be a better miner. If it works, I'll come back and apologize like I said.

Ludvig from Mindark, anything to add since you're lurking again?
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Drop 5000 or 100000 probes and then complain smh even with a 99% return it’s technically possible to get 0 drops out of 50 it’s just standard probability
 
i am just 15 mining and i dont drop many bombs because it is boring, i drop when i need some iron and lyst to craft lesser elysia
on just 300 ped bombing (1 every 100 meter) i realize normalli 88 to 98% returns

I elieve in the Algorithm so i just drop, i just shot, i just click.. dont care TT and look for MU extractions toward MU in... mining is good.. no MU involved for unamped...
 
DrGirlfriend said:
Drop 5000 or 100000 probes and then complain smh even with a 99% return it’s technically possible to get 0 drops out of 50 it’s just standard probability
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I've dropped hundreds of thousands of probes during my gameplay. The recent complaining is not about the recent occurrences so much as it is about the overall experience and lack of explanation by MA as to how mining functions. All that we know about mining is due to the work of great researchers like KingofAces and Leeloo...but why should that be what we have to rely on for any information?
 
John uncguy43 Williams said:
I've dropped hundreds of thousands of probes during my gameplay. The recent complaining is not about the recent occurrences so much as it is about the overall experience and lack of explanation by MA as to how mining functions.
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Then you should know how dynamic loot works already
 
John uncguy43 Williams said:
I'm surprised that so many players are so adamantly against MA releasing more information about a black box program.
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I am on @Alina 's side with this. Mining is the easiest way to profit, no matter tt return.

Not worth teaching you as you listen to the guide from experienced person, and few days later continue to do the same stupid thing.
 
Sulje said:
I am on @Alina 's side with this. Mining is the easiest way to profit, no matter tt return.

Not worth teaching you as you listen to the guide from experienced person, and few days later continue to do the same stupid thing.
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Are you also against MA releasing more information, my old friend?

I was a collegiate athlete, graduated the top of my class from uni, and hold two degrees. That doesn't mean much, but what is DOES mean is that I'm willing and able to work hard and learn. Why does everyone on this forum result to knocking others down?

I'm just asking MA to provide more information. And I will continue to do so as long as I am allowed to on this forum.
 
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DrGirlfriend said:
Yes that’s why it’s black box, trying to discover that information is all this game has going for it in terms of entertainment.
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I would argue that if it is completely a black box then it is a casino. And at least casinos have published RTP rates. We don't even have that for mining.
 
DrGirlfriend said:
The black box is reviewed by the SGA and is not a casino.
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So you don't want any sort of expected RTP (tt return %) to be published for mining like for hunting? Is any number MA is willing to give you fine?

Because. per the standard of a black box that we have in place...MA can give you 50% returns for forever and you have no recourse. And when you ask why returns are so low you'll be told that your game knowledge is insufficient...that's why.

I just want to make sure I understand your position.
 
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DrGirlfriend said:
Yes that’s why it’s black box, trying to discover that information is all this game has going for it in terms of entertainment.
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Many times this!

You have:

- A great tool/app for mining tracking. With more than enough info to get you started mining the "right"way
- Can afford to piss away some peds investigating yourself
- Ubers and other players already have confirmed to you you are wrong about the averages many others experience. Offered advice you preety much discarded.

John uncguy43 Williams said:
I would argue that if it is completely a black box then it is a casino. And at least casinos have published RTP rates. We don't even have that for mining.
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Nonsense. There is official statement of RTP of Entropia. There is a shiton of logs from players confirming that RTP. Thats why smart players actually trust the system and keep playing on downswings instead of bitching in forum over 150ped runs.

My experience. If you keep having bad returns... switch server, do a tp jump, hop on one leg while clicking to drop but keep bombing! something big is coming. But you won´t listen. Peeps don´t listen... They never do :(

I have offered to much detailed advice to too many people about mining. Advice that comes from hours actually paying attention to details and tracking stuff. Call it theorys or what you want. It works for me.

You are wrong bout this one m8. You sample is laughable. 150 ped runs before loot 2.0 wouldnt even be called a run. You would get 40% returns easy.

So definetly not. I will not share openly the details of mining. There is a LOT of info avaliable and if you want more detail search yourself or trust the players who reported their findings in forum.
 
Ivo Jahrumble said:
Many times this!

You have:

- A great tool/app for mining tracking. With more than enough info to get you started mining the "right"way
- Can afford to piss away some peds investigating yourself
- Ubers and other players already have confirmed to you you are wrong about the averages many others experience. Offered advice you preety much discarded.


Nonsense. There is official statement of RTP of Entropia. There is a shiton of logs from players confirming that RTP. Thats why smart players actually trust the system and keep playing on downswings instead of bitching in forum over 150ped runs.

My experience. If you keep having bad returns... switch server, do a tp jump, hop on one leg while clicking to drop but keep bombing! something big is coming. But you won´t listen. Peeps don´t listen... They never do :(

I have offered to much detailed advice to too many people about mining. Advice that comes from hours actually paying attention to details and tracking stuff. Call it theorys or what you want. It works for me.

You are wrong bout this one m8. You sample is laughable. 150 ped runs before loot 2.0 wouldnt even be called a run. You would get 40% returns easy.

So definetly not. I will not share openly the details of mining. There is a LOT of info avaliable and if you want more detail search yourself or trust the players who reported their findings in forum.
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Where is that official statement for mining that you claim exists?
 
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John uncguy43 Williams said:
So you don't want any sort of expected RTP (tt return %) to be published for mining like for hunting? Is any number MA is willing to give you fine?

Because. per the standard of a black box that we have in place...MA can give you 50% returns for forever and you have no recourse. And when you ask why returns are so low you'll be told that your game knowledge is insufficient...that's why.

I just want to make sure I understand your position.
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The Swedish gaming authority reviews the ‘black box’ and confirms it is not gambling, if there was gambling MindArk would not be allowed to operate and would need to dissolve or change operating countries.
 
John uncguy43 Williams said:
So you don't want any sort of expected RTP (tt return %) to be published for mining like for hunting? Is any number MA is willing to give you fine?

Because. per the standard of a black box that we have in place...MA can give you 50% returns for forever and you have no recourse. And when you ask why returns are so low you'll be told that your game knowledge is insufficient...that's why.

I just want to make sure I understand your position.
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it's already published.
 
DrGirlfriend said:
The Swedish gaming authority reviews the ‘black box’ and confirms it is not gambling, if there was gambling MindArk would not be allowed to operate and would need to dissolve or change operating countries.
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One of the biggest reasons Im always throwing shade at MA for EP bps. They have the best of both worlds and don´t use an active economy to allow players to .... play. We have a disabled economy on the account of Ep and nanocubes... Just sad.
John uncguy43 Williams said:
Where is that official statement for mining that you claim exists?
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Thats all you took from that?

Just use 95% back of your personal lootpool. It will save you a LOT of headaches and will maybe change the way you view the game.

If you want to throw a fit over 150ped runs and call it doom switch keep going.

For all that matters I, and it seems the majority, don´t feel as you do. That leaves a few options left. I won´t number them cause there is no need, you are a smart guy right?

If I was a new player and read through this thread I would have learned a lot already... but not cause your claim has value. The answers you got were golden.
 
Loot 2 refers to the Hunting.
I don't recall there being any mining or crafting statements.
Since the system is binding between the 3 main professions, there may be partial changes, but Loot 2.0 is for Hunting changes.
Even the overall persentages ~96% by MA, was announced only for the Hunters, but for any reason ppl accepted this for any professions.

Peace, I'm not a miner.
 
I think people misinterpret the golden 95% hunting return number given by mindark. This was a classic case of mindark actually giving too much information as it misleads players. This isn’t a magic number that everyone should expect to hit under every circumstance, this was just a snapshot of the worldwide average of a particular timeframe. Their numbers can be taken with a grain of salt.

How hunters get an accurate model of what returns to expect with a given budget, skill set and gear is to refer to the wealth of player made logs and experiments and make their own extrapolations. Mining doesn’t have an efficiency parameter or looting skills so things for you should be even simpler.

I suggest you search among your peers for the information you seek and stop burning your bridges.
 
Totally understand your position, but what Alina says is correct. Try to enlarge a bit the intervals you're checking, say to 1k ped tt. I don't know how the return fluctuates right now, haven't played lately, but it was always the case to have these variations on smaller intervals. Just make a thought process: if the average hitrate is 30%ish, say that means 1 hit per 3 drops. If you would then split this in "runs" of 1 drop each, two out of three would be 0 hitrate 0%tt loot. That being said, there are sometimes dry periods, but is simply necessary to see tens and tens of thousands of drops to get a feeling for how things go. Also I would suggest to review your math for % cost per drop, finder included, is rarely the case that unamped is a good choice.
 
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