but are u telling me u have never seen 1 person banned unjustly? or 1 temp ban that could have been thought out better? thats nonsense. u can accuse me of being paranoid, ur on the staff here, so i dont have a problem with u being defensive at all, thats understandable.
I honestly can't think of a situation where someone was banned without good reason. We're all human though, so yes there probably have been a few bans that could have been handled better. But I have no doubt if any mistake was made and a member was perm banned unjustly it'd be later rectified. Banned members can still contact admin using the 'Contact Us' link, and other members who know them can contact staff via PM about such matters.
ur right tho, ef has some valuable info, and has had a lot of work put in by many ppl(mostly by us, the community)....
Absolutely. The staff are
part of that community don't forget, but yes EF can only be as useful a resource as the community make it. And the community as a whole does a great job of it.
if banned peeps could see the event forums and know what was happening then how would that damage anything? really?
Banned people can still read EF no?
My concern is the question about freedom of speech, sure there is rules on this forum and rules are to follow, but when the moderators uses their power to ban people that questions the owner and/or moderators intentions and by that effectivly stops players from participating in events in the game, it has gone way over the line.
The owner spent a lot of time answering people's questions as to his intentions when he first bought the forum. There's no problem with bringing up a concern about the moderator's or the owner's actions, sometimes we make mistakes and they need to be fixed. Such issues should generally be discussed via PM with the staff so as not to disrupt the forum. So no-one gets banned just for bringing up a concern about the running of the forum. However, there is a difference between bringing up such a concern and using outright slander in an attempt to disrupt the forum. Unfortunately the latter does occur and yes, in severe cases results in bans. There are rules here to protect both staff and members alike from slander just as there are in RL.
Imho this forum has by that lost all it's meaning, not sure what the rest off you think, but when we (as citizens in countries that has freedom off speech in the constitution) can't speak our minds and put our critisism out in the light because the owner/moderators says it against the rules, then this forum is slowly killing itself.
The vast majority of members manage to speak their minds without breaking the rules. The rules themselves are here for good reasons, in order to ensure EF is a pleasant place to be:
The rules of this forum are not arbitrary, but have evolved based on behaviors that have tended to disrupt and distract the forum from its mission: to provide an effective, enjoyable, constructive, informative, and civil place to discuss EntropiaUniverse. Once a particular type of activity or behavior shows a pattern of undermining that mission or irking a significant number of members, a rule is adopted.
Now to my point, there is no way that EF (owner or moderators) should have any power over what happens in EU what so ever, the idea of MA paying the owner off this forum for the work he puts in to it is just hilarious, talk about opening the gates and letting the BS run freely. But if EF sponsors or organize an event they should off course be able to set up rules for the event. To be honest I doubt that any off the banned players would participate in a event sponsored by the company or organisation that banned them on almost random, I know I wouldn't.
We have to be allowed to think critical about everything and speak our minds, even concerning EU, without fear off ingame consequences, if we can't be that I have only one thing to say...
The owner nor moderators of EF have no power over what happens in EU. MA have all that power.
Not sure whether you were implying it, or just responding to another comment, but MA do not pay the owner of the forum for running it nor any of the staff.
No-one is banned on almost random.
As to your comment about speaking your minds without fearing in-game consequences, EF has no
direct power to affect your in-game experience. However,
anything you say or do
anywhere to
anyone involved in EU has the ability to affect your in-game experience. Because part of your in-game experience involves other people and how they interact with you. At the end of the day, what you say to them will affect how they interact with you. This can have consequences, and yes, I'm all for speaking your mind, but sometimes you have to live with the consequences.
Back on to the topic of the thread, no-one at EF is trying to ban people in order to stop their involvement in events. There are some event promoters that choose to use EF as their main point of base, yes. They have the right to do that, and if someone who cannot post at EF wants to take part in one of their events they need to contact the promoter by other means and try to sort something out.
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There's some good points made in this thread about the event system as a whole, and event promotion, and the role of EF in that. Let's not reduce the thread to a slagging match about bans. Bans are in some cases an unfortunate necessity. That's not going to change.
