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I did a little experiment (How To Survive Without Depositing!) to see just how long I could play for, starting with a small bankroll. I bought the best Starter Pack (GOLD) to get all the ECO gear I did not already own.

Here is a table of all the best weapon setups for a beginner!
Weapon NameAmplifierDecayAmmoCostDPPRangeHitsDPS
Omegaton M2100A1 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.4521181.6322.98126.4705.68
Bukin's Spare RifleOmegaton A1010.7891312.0992.98057.2444.59
Ozpyn Chon S1X1Omegaton A1010.8731232.1032.97424.2676.98
S.I. HK110ZX Sinkadus0.772631.4022.97444.0674.66
Bukin's Spare Rifle AdjustedOmegaton A1010.7891552.3392.97166.0445.10
Ancient Red ScorpionOmegaton A1011.8781403.2782.96860.56710.87
Sollomate Onyxo (L)Omegaton A1010.6821662.3422.96839.6445.10
S.I. ScorpionZX Sinkadus0.576831.4062.96630.8835.77
Z12 BarbarellaOmegaton A1010.7722052.8222.95560.5486.67
The best gun options are all in the top 4 for economical hunting!

I use them all in my gear repertoire in the following combinations;
Primary DPP Setup: Omegaton M2100A1 (L) + ZX Sinkadus for main and finisher
Primary DPP Setup: Bukin's Spare Rifle + Omegaton A101 for pre-damaging mobs
Secondary DPS Setup: Ozpyn Chon S1X1 + Omegaton A101 for main and finisher
Secondary DPS Setup: S.I. HK110 + ZX Sinkadus for pre-damaging mobs.

So far these guns have yet to fail me in loot returned through higher dpp, controlled risk management, with these setups I can on most occasions practically break even on TT while hunting my selected mobs.

I highly recommend you purchase one of the Ares Rings below to increase your DPP further.
Ring NameEffect 1Effect 2Effect 3Hand
Ares Ring (L)Focus Blow 0.2%Inc Crit Dmg 4%F/ Reload 4%Right
Ares Ring ImprovedFocus Blow 0.6%Inc Crit Dmg 8%F/ Reload 8%Right
Ares Ring ModifiedFocus Blow 0.8%Inc Crit Dmg 10%F/ Reload 10%Right
I recommend you purchase one of the Hermetic Rings below to increase your speed further.
Ring NameEffect 1Hand
Hermetic Ring (L)Acceleration 5%Left
Hermetic Ring AdjustedAcceleration 8%Left
Hermetic Ring ImprovedAcceleration 10%Left
Hermetic Ring ModifiedAcceleration 15%Left
Additionally you can buff stack from the Harrier Assault Adjusted set from the GOLD pack.

I find that hunting in armour is also far more efficient and more economical than healing whilst attacking. Especially when even the eco of the Heart Fap fails compared to Musca Adjusted against a Berycled Young!


Now that armour got a recent revamp, most armours will now decay on average 1 pec per 20 points protection. So do not let anyone suggest to you that using armour is not economical at all whilst hunting creatures etc. The main reason's due to the lack of Defense Skills, getting hit with armour will increase your skill gains. It is a sacrifice, however, I want you to know that, NOT getting hit is better for returns.

After acquiring/purchasing the gear above, you should have some peds leftover which will help you until; A) Deposit, B) Survive or C) Profit!

However, I strongly recommend an additional $70 investment after the first initial GOLD $30 purchase. If used correctly a bankroll of 1000 ped at low level hunting should be more than enough for any adventure. Now for a new player to have a ped balance between (500-1000 ped bankroll) should make it easier to survive. Provided that you only hunt mobs with the above recommended weapon setups will allow you to hunt a long time. Even Team Hunting can also make your peds last longer, though hunting larger mobs can also involve more risk. This is due to volatile loot cycles which may require more ped to ride out, so make the right decision for you. Do not let any one else dictate your actions, for example joining a large group of newbies out hunting Atrox. It can pay off, but it can also mean substantial losses as well for all involved.

A table of alternative low level weapons!
Weapon NameAmplifierDecayAmmoCostDPPRangeHitsDPS
Salafa G1 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.452931.3823.01700.0553.82
A.R.C. Scorpion AP1 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.992401.3922.99626.4755.21
Piron PLR-0 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.570831.4002.97900.0614.24
EWE EP-2 Proton (L)ZX Sinkadus0.442961.4022.97435.2745.14
Isis LLP 1 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.528871.3982.97400.0674.59
Ozpyn LXP-P1 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.528871.3982.97400.0674.59
Scott & Barlow LP-0 (L)ZX Sinkadus0.528871.3982.97400.0674.59
Worm Blaster MK I (L)ZX Sinkadus0.528871.3982.97400.0674.59
I personally do not recommend skilling with melee as it is not as economical to use to skill up as weapons. But if you did decide to skill up a little then I would recommend starting to use the Cyrene melee weapons. They all max out at under level 3 then afterwards move to the TT weapons & UL amplifier where possible.

A table of low entry economical melee weapons!
Weapon NameAmplifierDecayAmmoCostDPPRangeHitsDPS
S.I. Psy-SwordTrauma Amp I2.809002.8092.96904.0223.06
Combat EnBlade-B (L)Trauma Amp I3.539003.5392.94603.0335.73
Survival EnBlade-B (L)No Amplifier1.200001.2002.89603.0784.52
S.I. Psy-BladeNo Amplifier0.970000.9702.86603.0823.80
S.I. Combat KnifeNo Amplifier1.215001.2152.86005.0673.88
Personally, I am not the type of hunter that heals a whole lot, however I do believe hunting eco where possible. This would include how you deal with defense costs and recommend using the tools listed below with real thought. Try obtaining the best efficient tool from the bunch to help reduce your defense costs.

A table of all the economical healing tools!
Tool NameTypeHealE/ HealCostHPPTT/VUsesHPS
Fanoos Medical V1 (L)FAP10.39.010.050180.250.05324.81
Medkit (L)FAP12120.50024.000.5306.00
Refurbished H.E.A.R.T. Rank VIFAP3631.51.75018.00142010.50
S.I. H.E.A.R.T.FAP14140.90015.569194.43
Vivo S10FAP1916.631.35012.3122318.59
10-Pulse UnitFAP1815.751.48710.597246.30
Refurbished H.E.A.R.T. Rank VFAP2219.251.90010.1314206.42
Herb BoxFAP1513.131.30510.065306.56
GYRO FAP-2 (L)FAP108.750.87510.005202.92
Vivo T1A (L)FAP10.39.010.9039.989182.70
For those who can afford Adjusted Restoration Chip it is a good investment, the efficiency is 158-160 heal per pec. This economical tool will definitely allow you to hunt most things without any armour or hunt naked which is always a fun/economical thing to do/achieve.

Pre Loot 2:0 Hunting TipDescription
No. 1Hunt lowest maturity mobs, this reduces loot volatility greatly.
No. 2Hunt up to 3000 kills of mobs, this allows volatility to even out.
No. 3Ensure PED balance can kill 3000+ mobs before loot complaints.
No. 4Use armour to begin building up defence skills is more beneficial.
No. 5Ensure that you avoid any over-amping and to reduce any overkill.
No. 6Once defence skills are up try to kill mobs before they reach you.
No. 7Use teams to make kills cheaper on att/def decay and hunt longer.
No. 8Avoid using melee to skill up and hunt, unless you're privy to melee.
No. 9Only sell your loot once you've gone through your balance for ammo.
No. 10You hunt at the highest dpp & dps you can afford to maintain long term.
Post Loot 2:1 Hunting TipDescription
No. 1Use Armour when using a short ranged weapon, decay gets returned.
No. 2Heal/Scan only when mob is hit/dmg'd/alive for decay to be recorded.
No. 3Don't use a finisher gun unamped, this'll drop your avg eff/optimal loot.
No. 4Get your looter profession up and relevant for the mob you're hunting.
No. 5Use items to increase Focus Blow/Crit Damage for cheaper kills.
No. 6Use items to increase speed walking backwards for cheaper kills.
No. 7Using efficiency over damage per pec will result in non-optimal drops.
No. 8Hunting with DPP allows you to grind stackable markup and not items.
No. 9Hunting with DPP allows you to break even on avg via high multipliers.
No. 10Reduce unnecessary decay or will lead to most drops being non-optimal.
How To Calculate Your Base Return Rate

PS: I will be recording all my hunting data onto a spreadsheet, which all have permission to copy and use for their ability to survive entropia! Google spreadsheet link found here > H2S Entropia Log

PPS: I did inspire these people to start their own hunting logs.
pSyCHe's Hunting Log, Lizzy's Hunting Log, Miku's Hunting Log!, OstraSuczka's Hunting Log.

PPPS: Ultimate Planet Calypso Game Guide Here > Newbie Game Guide


~Mark~
 
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Original BalanceMargin BalanceCurrent Balance
1000 PED+ 957 PED= 2125 PED
Note: Balance is no longer being updated and left to showcase what was possible or is still possible now.

TaskDescription
Deposited500 PED in order to hunt and trade more freely.
Deposited200 PED on strong boxes to try get an Ares Ring.
Deposited3800 PED in order to purchase Adjusted Restoration Chip.
Deposited800 PED in order to purchase Hermetic Ring Perfected.

CreatureChallengeStages Completed
KerberosIronStage 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
BerycledIronStage 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
KerberosBronzeStage 9,100 / 60,000

PS: Read here the > Bery Hunt Conclusion! Prt 1
PPS: Read here the > Bery Hunt Conclusion! Prt 2


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I'm confused.

Good luck with your project :)
It's the other hunters that need the luck more than me lol
Start of Bery Iron to now 10k / 30k, only 1 negative run!

But thank you for the encouragement! :)
 
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Thanks for this thread! I have been dabbling in the Eco hunt myself recently due to most of my PED going into investments of some sort.

Now i do have a question because i feel i may have misunderstood something my entire career of PE/EU :eyecrazy:


If i'm hunting punys and the decay for armor is say 15 dmg per pec and my Fap is say 10 heal per pec

Its 5 pec more eco to use armor correct?
 

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Full protection = Full decay. 70% protection = 70% decay!
But there is a minimum decay, and it depends on the max protection of the armor regardless of the current TT. UL armors should always be kept repaired, otherwise it's less eco (you get less protection and still pay the minimum decay).

If you want less protection than the musca you should either:
  • Hunt naked and fap a bit (si heart, vivo s10, pulse unit)
  • Get yourself a set of CDF Scout (example) or a Dummy armor with 2A/3A.

It's just my opinion/advice, hope you keep doing well.
 

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I dont use armor or healer when I hunt. This of course limits a great deal what I can hunt.
Most times I like to use knife or glove for hunting.

thank you for this thread about eco hunting :) Really appreciate the work you have put into this :)
 

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Thanks for this thread! I have been dabbling in the Eco hunt myself recently due to most of my PED going into investments of some sort.

Now i do have a question because i feel i may have misunderstood something my entire career of PE/EU :eyecrazy:


If i'm hunting punys and the decay for armour is say 15 dmg per pec and my Fap is say 10 heal per pec

Its 5 pec more eco to use armor correct?
Yes, full tt Musca Adjusted has better eco than a heart fap at base value on Berycled for example as I mentioned in the thread. That is correct Nova! But due to damage being an avg, it can at times over protect. There is a balance to this, but overall armours are more efficient at taking on dmg versus faps.

But there is a minimum decay, and it depends on the max protection of the armour regardless of the current TT. UL armours should always be kept repaired, otherwise it's less eco (you get less protection and still pay the minimum decay).

If you want less protection than the musca you should either:
  • Hunt naked and fap a bit (si heart, vivo s10, pulse unit)
  • Get yourself a set of CDF Scout (example) or a Dummy armour with 2A/3A.

It's just my opinion/advice, hope you keep doing well.
Thanks for reminding me of why it is best to have armour sets to full TT mate. I fully well know about armour & plate combinations, however, for the sake of new players, who may not wish to invest into UL plate sets. I have strictly kept the armour aspect down to the sets themselves. I have all the sets mentioned above, for a new player CDF is cheap to obtain, plus you get a few pieces during some of the quests, Harrier comes with the GOLD Package as is, both Musca Adj & Pixie Adj come through Mentor-ship when you finally graduate. For those many reasons above, I myself have not invested in such plates. Though I know full well that I could get much better combinations doing so. The main reason I keep the set at 70% is so to reduce some over protection, though the set is still more eco than heart at full TT the over protection that occurs is too many imo. I will try to increase the sets value up a notch so I get that slightly bit more protection vs the minimum decay rate. Thank you for the advice O2.

I don't use armour or healer when I hunt. This of course limits a great deal what I can hunt.
Most times I like to use knife or glove for hunting.

thank you for this thread about eco hunting :) Really appreciate the work you have put into this :)
Thank you so much for your great reply. I have always used armour and my evader is currently at Lv35 versus my highest Hit profession at Lv53. To most that gap is very small compared to other seasoned hunters. What is most remarkable is, playing the game with this sort of play-style, I notice that armour decay gets returned back to you in loot more so than healing decay. Now I have no proofs, only a very long time of observations in hunting. But don't be silly and then go and get Shadow Amour :D.
 
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Good going!

But my pedcard tells me eco is a myth...
Thanks! You should go speak to Quin Perv, he's all about eco sib, maybe he has a few insights into what you may call a myth. Eco & Efficiency in EU are now the most important factors to seeing more loot being returned to you. What perhaps you are not taking into consideration is that loot cycles still exist and finding out how many kills it takes to break past that cycle, is also important when hunting large mobs.

Now what observations I have made of loot cycles through hunting a Lv3 Mob was this, that a really bad loot cycle would last anything around the 800 kill mark, which is 2 full runs using the Chon + A101 till gun was broken. Usually on the third run the loot would pick up again, however, there have been a few rare instances where the bad loot cycle would continue! and would seize up near to the end of the 3rd run.

So potentially I am looking at around 1200 kills with seriously bad loot before it gets any better, now that is on the extreme end. The range is more between: 500 - 2500 kills on a bad loot cycle. But I can usually predict quite comfortably when I will hit a global, roughly near the end of a bad loot cycle. I say it most times in my soc chat that I will global real soon, and before you know it, it happens!

What scares :scared: me is if this is possible on a Lv3 mob, imagine now on Atrox's etc, where each kill is 14x times that of a Lv3 Mob. An atrox kill = 3.30ped x 1200 kills of bad loot :rofl: = 3960ped if not more! :eyecrazy:

Edit: 15/05/15 - I have had a 2500 kill streak of bad loot on a mob that costs 0.26 pecs per kill. If this were on atrox that is a loss of over 8200ped! Which I believe, as I knew somebody who had lost that much peds using an eco setup and then quit the game "Faye Ranpha"
 
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Second post now has some data!
 

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Here are two posts I made to another player, but he seemed to be looking for more help than you are.

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In general, minimize costs where ever possible. This is the key to success. (in my opinion) Small differences have huge effects over time when compounding the returns.


1) Be aware of over-kill. Be afraid of over-kill.

About 1/2 of your last shot will be wasted. If you are killing things with 5 shots (20% of HP / hit) then you'll have 10% waste on a hunting trip. Assuming a Long Term return of 90% while being "eco", using a 20% weapon (Mob HP / Max damage = 20%) would bring you down to expecting an 82% return. Using higher fire-rate weapons and switching to a finisher are both methods of reducing this waste.

I aim to use 10 hit weapons and switch to a 20 hit for last attack. This still wastes 2.5%-5%, but it is a compromise with armor decay & regen. (and boredom :ahh: )


2) Understand how armor works. It's not intuitive and it definitely adds up over time.

Decay on armor rises with an exponential rate with damage. Plates can help with this, but they can also hurt horribly since both the armor and the plate will take the hit, when over protecting.

Basically; Cheap (L) Armor is good - 1 HP hits are BAD. Read Entropedia: Armor Decay and understand it.


3) Don't be in a hurry.

There are 2 ultimate bottle necks in playing EU. You will always be limited by either your amount of time available or your PED available. Hunting higher lvl mobs is a way to mitigate the Time limit (similar to using amps when mining) but this places more stress on the PED limit.

Alot of 'profit' opportunities come from saving other people time. An example (That I am not suggesting to you, but it is well known and a valid starting point) is hunting vixen for their gears. Ideally you would compare those opportunities that have an expected profit, and sustainable on your bankroll, and choose the one that is most profitable per hour. (Don't expect people on a public forum to suggest these options... competition)

4) Think in a longer term time horizon. But jump on short term opportunities.

This is why people keep logs. When looking back after killing 10,000 300hp (1PED) mobs you'll realize a single HoF doesn't make or break you. Neither does a string of no loot / nova.

Of course, there will come short lived opportunities to make a killing. This could be from an official event like Halloween / Merry Mayhem when certain mobs drop exceptional MU, player run events when there are few participants, or other circumstances like MA changing how loot is distributed. If you can expect a nice profit and have a margin of safety jump on these hard.



Over all, I'd say try to think of EU as a strategy game, where your success depends on the choices you make along the way - and have fun doing it!
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I'm not trying to make profit
There's the problem:laugh:

You should try to make a profit. It won't always work out - and that's fine - but making a profit isn't a bad thing.

You won't make a profit from MA. You can make a profit by supplying materials (Including skill chips) other people are looking for. People here are assumed to be adults, and they can make their own decisions, don't feel bad for profiting! By agreeing to buy a given product, it's can be assumed they're better off by having it than the PED they gave up.

That means searching for MU.

If I were come up with a plan for you it would look like:

In general:
A) Commit to not depositing for 6 months. It is not hard to profit, but it takes a different mentality.

B) Set up a nice excel spreadsheet where you track your hunts. Each tab would be for a different mob type. This would track your TT & MU for Offence, Defense, and Loot.

C) Accept that you are approaching EU in a different way. You'll want to start over from the basics. It will be dull at first, but once you start to get the hang of things, you'll change your definition of "winning" and it will get very fun.

Specifically:
1)Put every thing (Including PED) except for 300 PED, an S.I. Heart, cloths, a quad, a TP chip & ME ,and a full TT UL Viper whip into Calypso storage, (or sell it). Owning CLDs / AUD are ok, but don't transfer the PED.

2) Get a skill scanner account and record the current TT value of all your skills

3) Go to RockTropia and cycle 2 viper whips on the 10 HP Vixens*. This will be be 400 PED TT, or about 120,000 HP. That would be around 12,000 vixens I think. Record the results, every time you put loot into storage.

4) Sell the loot from the 12,000 vixens. Sell 1/2 of the TT value of the skills you gained on the vixens.

5) Find another mob that you think looks like the loot will have over 115% MU on average, and that you will have enough PED, (after the vixen sales are final) to be able to kill 10,000 of. This will take some research, and talking with people. If you cannot find anything, within your PED range, repeat on the Vixens untill you've profited enough to move on.

6) Kill 500 of the mob you looked at in #5, with appropriate gear, and record the results. If the MU isn't over 115%, repeat steps 5&6. Ignore the TT return for this sample.

7) Once you've found a mob that qualifies for the 115% MU, and you have the PED on hand to kill 10,000 of them, Grind it out: Repeat steps 2-7.

8) For every batch of 10,000 mobs cycled (From the 3rd set on), figure out how much you've profited from it and withdraw an equal amount from storage, or deposit it. If you lost PED, you make a mistake - you don't get to add anything to your bank-role! Find a different mob, and don't deposit or withdraw from storage until you've profited.


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This may seem like it's way under your skill level - and it is. The point would be to re-train yourself to be looking for, and expecting, opportunities to profit. Your skills will help you. You will have much lower defense costs, and you will more mobs to choose from.

As you climb the ladder of mobs you should, fairly soon, get back to hunting things at a level that you are now, but you'll make your choices differently.

EDIT: There is a difference in just playing EU, and playing EU with the target of profiting. Profiting is much more challenging, and I think fun. You already know how to play at a high level, but are you ready to step up the difficulty and profit while playing?

*I don't know for sure that these drop the gears. If not, there are other profitable low level mobs.



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They're long posts, but I'd be shocked if you can't play indefinitely if you follow the first's general strategies and the seconds more specific tactics. If you promise to keep a detailed-ish log I'd give you a 6 month / 200 PED loan to get started.


Good luck!!
 

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I miss the old days when the guide was "buy Opalo" "kill Daikiba Young at Swamp Camp" :D


Good luck with your project Mark, some good info there! :thumbup:
 

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I miss the old days when the guide was "buy Opalo" "kill Daikiba Young at Swamp Camp" :D


Good luck with your project Mark, some good info there! :thumbup:
Thank you Mega :).

Now waiting on heart fap, 1 tick away till tier 2 @ 17.11 hpp.
 
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Sub, good luck :)
 

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I did it over 3 years and came out ahead. I believe you shouldn't have any problems doing it as well! Good luck! :beerchug:
 

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So don't let anyone tell you that using armour is not economical while hunting, the only reason why it may not be so, is due to the lack of Defence Skills.
There is a Classic consideration here: It's fairly well known that it's cheaper to use armor than to use a fap (unless you have a mod or imp fap), but that the other side is that if you use an armor, you won't get any additional (ie fapping) skills.

I'm not thinking economically at all here; but my philosophy is simply if you can use a good armor the hunting will be more efficient.

The entierly different end of the scale (eco optimized) is not using armor and fap at all and try to heal up naturally, at the cost of a very slow progress in hunting.
 

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Another run with a plus.
Had a 20ped global today.
1st post has been updated.
 

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Invested:
57.40ped


14.50 Lost

I placed some gains into an investment opportunity.
Investment didn't go as planned, took a 14.50ped loss.

Figures on 2nd post adjusted to reflect this change.

Overall I'm still up +91ped (MU not included, this is TT only from the last time loot was sold)

Hunting runs yesterday were very good as well with 2 globals, which need to be added to post.
 
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Your fap is extremely uneco.
pay a visit to "hunt the thing" and buy as many medkit (L), you can buy. They are 50 pec each for 24 eco.
 

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Sub, good luck :)
Thank you Zorander! You give much better encouragement than my previous soc mates +rep :).

I did it over 3 years and came out ahead. I believe you shouldn't have any problems doing it as well! Good luck! :beerchug:
Oh another eco hunter :yay:! Oh please, if you can share anything on your findings that would be amazing! Personally I would be very interested ;).

Interesting log!

Thanks for sharing this.
Why thank you! No problem! Glad there are people who actually appreciates my "advice" :yup:.

There is a Classic consideration here: It's fairly well known that it's cheaper to use armour than to use a fap (unless you have a mod or imp fap), but that the other side is that if you use an armour, you won't get any additional (i.e. fapping) skills.

I'm not thinking economically at all here; but my philosophy is simply if you can use a good armour the hunting will be more efficient.

The entirely different end of the scale (eco optimized) is not using armour and fap at all and try to heal up naturally, at the cost of a very slow progress in hunting.
In my mind what I deem eco for hunting is not to get hit, therefore I need more defensive skill/gains, therefore it is better to use armour to get more of that which I require. No hit = no decay.
 

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Your fap is extremely uneco. Pay a visit to "Hunt the Thing" and buy as many medkit (L), you can buy. They are 50 pec each for 24 eco.
Several issues with this, 1) it is an (L) item, 2) with limited uses, 3) I need to stockpile, 4) affects my balance, 5) weight to carry them all, 6) not to mention wrong planet, waste peds, there and back, 7) Not able to trade item!

But I am well aware of that fap, just was not sure if it was still available due to Neverdie about to pull the plug on that Arctic place, sometime last year after the big Thing event for a MS prize.

Plus most newbie players like things that are unlimited, repairable too, not sure why this is really.
 
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Several issues with this, 1) it is an (L) item, 2) with limited uses, 3) I need to stockpile, 4) affects my balance, 5) weight to carry them all, 6) not to mention wrong planet, waste peds, there and back.

But I am well aware of that fap, just was not sure if it was still available due to Neverdie about to pull the plug on that Arctic place, sometime last year after the big Thing event for a MS.

Plus most newbie players like things that are unlimited, repairable too, not sure why this is really.

PS: if anyone can supply me with alot of Medkit (L)'s for TT, I would be very interested!
They are not tradeAble.
 

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They are not tradeAble.
That would be point 7 lol. But I did list it on the original post for people who are not aware of it's existence and want to use it and be more eco, definitely worth searching out and grabbing some.
 

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I miss the old days when the guide was "buy Opalo" "kill Daikiba Young at Swamp Camp" :D
I miss the old days when there was no guide but people went out and snagged an Axe and camped Combibies and Exars, or slapped the biggest laser amp they could afford onto an Opalo, and Swamp Camp didn't exist. *sigh*

The old days...
 

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I miss the old days when there was no guide but people went out and snagged an Axe and camped Combibies and Exars, or slapped the biggest laser amp they could afford onto an Opalo, and Swamp Camp didn't exist. *sigh*

The old days...
Yeah, those Vids brought back a lot of memories.. :)
 

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Okay I have just finished my last run and cycled through the last bits of ped. I placed all loots into auction, and I have calculated ped after sales. Potentially if everything sells for BO, I will have made +121.81ped profit after markup. So for now, that is the figure I will use, until otherwise stated.

Also there was alot of activity in the spot where I normally hunt today, I even saw Lady Jen :). It was a pleasant hunt today minus the masses hunting there, bit of stepping on each others toes was happening, but not a biggie. Not much loot, however ped balance seems to be going up steadily. Anyway my experiment seems to be going well so far, and I'm making more ped profit than any CLD could ever do.

But just to put this into perspective, that in 4-5 weeks of hunting I have gained said profit, to equate this to CLD's @ 15ped per deed every month, would mean that I would have to own around 8 CLD's to generate a similar result. Now 8 x 1550 = 12,400ped just to give an basic idea of what we are looking at :wise:. Invested just $40, gained back $12.18 vs investing $1240 to get the same return, per month!

12,400 / 400 = 31. That is 1/31 the investment size! Happy huntings! :)
 
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