Question: How would you advise a new player who wants to depo $1k

[JohnCapital]

10k ped initial depo + 300 ped/month supplement.

EDIT: Scratch what I said. They already did the initial experimenting.

Perhaps I didn't notice, but did they mention exactly what activity they wish to pursue?

Good luck and happy hoffing.

 

[thoreau]

Perhaps I didn't notice, but did they mention exactly what activity they wish to pursue?

Let's say the are willing to specialize in either crafting, hunting, or mining. Their desire is to be considered an 'uber' in this game.

Also, a few had mentioned the p5 or handguns in general. Is this because using a handgun builds evade/dodge faster?

Some have mentioned trading. The player has no interest in trading.

To paint a picture - imagine a person has played a typical dragon slaying MMO for many years. They have been a MAX level with all the great gear and items. They were looked upon as being uber in that world.

Now they are playing Entropia and they want to achieve that level of fame again. They are willing to invest $1000 and $30 a month to achieve it.

All of the differences between Entropia and the other 'games' has been explained. They know all the problems with their goal. Nevertheless, they are going to do this.

What is the best way to jump start them on the path?

 

[humbll]

To paint a picture - imagine a person has played a typical dragon slaying MMO for many years. They have been a MAX level with all the great gear and items. They were looked upon as being uber in that world.

Now they are playing Entropia and they want to achieve that level of fame again. They are willing to invest $1000 and $30 a month to achieve it.

All of the differences between Entropia and the other 'games' has been explained. They know all the problems with their goal. Nevertheless, they are going to do this.

What is the best way to jump start them on the path?

 

[Chery Lady]

Meybe opening a healing service would be a good idea?
You could buy some healing skills + get a great fap.

 

[narfi]

Let's say the are willing to specialize in either crafting, hunting, or mining. Their desire is to be considered an 'uber' in this game.

Also, a few had mentioned the p5 or handguns in general. Is this because using a handgun builds evade/dodge faster?

Some have mentioned trading. The player has no interest in trading.

To paint a picture - imagine a person has played a typical dragon slaying MMO for many years. They have been a MAX level with all the great gear and items. They were looked upon as being uber in that world.

Now they are playing Entropia and they want to achieve that level of fame again. They are willing to invest $1000 and $30 a month to achieve it.

All of the differences between Entropia and the other 'games' has been explained. They know all the problems with their goal. Nevertheless, they are going to do this.

What is the best way to jump start them on the path?

Sorry, not on 1k usd down and 30 a month, not gona happen. You might try 10K down and 1K a month for a year or so and 5+ hours a day. Im not sure though because that type of narcissism is beyond my comprehension.

check out this site to see what it would cost you to attain specific goals by chipping.

http://jdegre.net/pe/unlocker.php

I have more skills than your "sample avatar" and it would take me more than 1k usd just to get to medium health without even considering any hunting skills that would be needed to go with it.

gl and have fun,

narfi

 

[xentric]

I would use the rest of those peds to trade.

Seen too many people thinking they are going to make a profit in hunting or crafting. Some can and do but, in this game it is mostly only the traders that can count on "winning"

 

[kebplay]

Skill to p5a, buy a good amp A104/5, gremlin armour and some plate sets (6a, 5B, 6B), save 1000 PED for a loot buffer and spend the rest on Evade.

 

[Rentonx]

As a hunter, you have 2 choices: ranged or melee.
If you decide for melee, you must buy a UL blade. That may be too expensive in the beginning, so just keep it in mind. Any markup on melee gear is devastating, so better avoid that path.
So if you can't go with melee in the beginning, go for ranged. I understand you have already some skills, so I expect you have maxed p5a.
Buy one amp 106 and rest of the peds keep for ammo. Hunt one mob for skilling and for getting same stuff all over again and having it easy to sell all in auction. Go for drone/itumatrox/argo/esto/allo or whatever makes you happy at that level.
Make sure you have a good armor for that mob and try to use always the best L fap you can use. Don't buy fap skills. You will get those skills in time.
All the peds that are left use for ammo, repairs and new guns. Stay on p5a and korss 400 until you have more ped. If you have a lot more cash and unlock combat sense, you can try other options FOR FUN, like HL pistols. If you fail with those, go back to p5a. You can unlock commando with p5a in 2-3 years and you will have more value than you have invested if you never go above your level.

100% agree

 

[Dr.D.C.]

Their desire is to be considered an 'uber' in this game.

I m sorry, this is a wrong approach. For many reasons. One of those is that to be today an uber you must started the game 4-6 years ago, when the game was named Project Entropia. In that period people skilled like crazy cause of a different skill gain rate and uber items were dropping like hell. Ofc those players played a lot and made some good investment, but to be uber like the actual ones u need to invest probably 10 time more $. Far from 1k$.

Maybe there are some activities where still you can be considered an...hero because them where activated after the PE age. Taming? coloring? beauty? if u invest a quite nice amount of $ maybe you can be hero or uber in those activities (but also in this case we are talking about quite far to 1K$).

If you really wanna be an uber i suggest you to hold your money. Maybe one day finally new planets will be introduced and look like our actual skills will be work less there. In this case the first rich one that will decide to invest in the new planet could have some possibility to be consider an uber.

And now??

I suggest you to buy a ghost armor and plates, and to start skill L weapons until you have money. Same for mining. Avoid crafting, in any case it s not a funny profession. Play a lot, buy a tp chip. Buy amno, sell loot just when you have a nice amount in storage. Never never never tt some. Never Never Never. Also in this way there are good probability you will consume your 1k deposit don t worry.

Meet new friends around the eu world. Learn new words from them of other languages. Explore a lot, there is a brand new planet with a brand new graphic engine. Enjoy it.

Never forget to be critic. In game and on this forum. It s the only way to push someone to do better.

More important: GL

 

[Mojoswoptops]

Yet another point why $1000 should not be invested in skills but in other activities ingame, for me $30 is what i lose an hour at minimum, so unless the person is willing to spend(lose) $1000 monthly, dont chip it, just use it wizely.

Side not, one of the few skills i would reccomend NOT chipping AT ALL for such an avatar would be evade/dodge, purely due to the fact that getting HIT by mobs gains you skills (aswell as decay ofc), if you dont get hit, you dont progress, and at such a low level, progressing is the key.

Not true. You can gain evade or dodge even if the mob misses you.

 

[N. Radioactive]

Help me with this thought experiment.

You strike up a friendship with a new player. They never had a mentor and they are past the probation period.

They have around 1k skills each in hunting, crafting, and mining. They have read the forums extensively and they are in tune with regards to the economy and how the markets work in Entropia.

All that being said, they want to deposit $1000 U.S. as an investment. They are not interesting in buying items to hold for later sale. Rather, this person wants to jump forward and advance as fast as possible using that $1000. They are open to suggestions as far as a profession, equipment, and skills to be chipped in.

EDIT - After this initial investment the person will start depositing $30 per month. They want the $1000 investment to advance them as far as possible and then they will try to maximize the monthly deposit.

Now that VU 10 has settled down a bit - what would your advice be? What is the best way to spend $1000 if you're goal is to go from zero to hero as fast as possible?

I personally wouldn't invest $1 USD on this until all the bugs and problems are a thing of the past.

 

[SunnyS]

It's a double edged sword....

If he buys skills and equipment... he can go high lvl in no time... but then... when he is high lvl... he needs to burn another 10k ped to keep up...

or... he could spend that 1k buying a little bit of skill and use the rest for bombs/ammo/mats and keep at it... that way he spends time in-game while skilling up ... this way it will take him longer but will atleast have fun...

Ahh.. I remember those days when I used to depo $100/month and have hours of fun.... Now... hahahaha... few k peds and gone in 30 mins... i think the lower the skills the more time spent in EU lol ... SO DONT BUY SKILLS! GET THEM WHILE HAVING FUN!

 

[lilac]

Let's say the are willing to specialize in either crafting, hunting, or mining. Their desire is to be considered an 'uber' in this game.

Also, a few had mentioned the p5 or handguns in general. Is this because using a handgun builds evade/dodge faster?

Some have mentioned trading. The player has no interest in trading.

All of the differences between Entropia and the other 'games' has been explained. They know all the problems with their goal. Nevertheless, they are going to do this.

What is the best way to jump start them on the path?

1. the reason to suggest a handgun is because it needs to be replaced less and can be had at a low MU... this is very important if a player intends on playing for a budget, as the price of other weapons could easily eat up an entire monthly deposit. With an amped korss or p5, one can kill 80% of mobs ig without too much of a stretch. Short of buying a much more expensive UL weapon, it's the next best thing.
   
2. The desire to be an uber, or even to skill to a mystical break even point, is a recipe for failure in this game... One is no more likely to live with a 30$ budget than one is to live within a 100$ budget unless they really make up their mind to do so...
   
3. I wholeheartedly agree with the notion of TTing nothing and letting it accumulate. I don't however, think that it's a good idea to invest ALOT of MU into trying to be the absolute MOST ECO possible... the suggestion of the A106 is well intentioned... but it ties up alot of ped that the player could be using for cycling and maximizing MU on other items... PLUS... there's no guarantee that it couldn't go down in MU in this time of transition in the game.
   
4. I've found that pretty much, the things i've been able to control in game are fap decay, armour decay, and weapon decay. Hunting the right mob with the right set of armour/plates... can save you a hundred ped a month or more...
   
5. On that note, if the player insists on a large investment, i'd reccomend buying an a104, a vivo t1, a 2600 for emergencies, a set of 5b, a set of 6a, and as many ul armour sets as one can get for 1.5k ped... mix and match with plates for optimal protection, and go out there and skill with the rest of the ped.

 

[Immortal]

1. What do you like to do?
2. What level are you comfortable at spending/investing? i.e what rate peds disappear from your pedcard and into items/materials
Then I would advise them on an economic plan from there

e.g. someone says to me, I lose 2kped a month and would like to try and not do that, but still hunt 20hrs a week.

10kped is enough to explore a certain field well enough to see if they want to stick it out for the long run. If after that investment they think EU is for them, then I would go about setting them longterm goals.

 

[CozMoDan]

Let's say the are willing to specialize in either crafting, hunting, or mining. Their desire is to be considered an 'uber' in this game.

Also, a few had mentioned the p5 or handguns in general. Is this because using a handgun builds evade/dodge faster?

Some have mentioned trading. The player has no interest in trading.

To paint a picture - imagine a person has played a typical dragon slaying MMO for many years. They have been a MAX level with all the great gear and items. They were looked upon as being uber in that world.

Now they are playing Entropia and they want to achieve that level of fame again. They are willing to invest $1000 and $30 a month to achieve it.

All of the differences between Entropia and the other 'games' has been explained. They know all the problems with their goal. Nevertheless, they are going to do this.

What is the best way to jump start them on the path?

I have read the replys and in general most of them seem to want to help, but you are now talking to someone who did almost exactly what you are asking about. I was in about 1000 USD in 6 weeks when I started and probably another 1000 in the next 6 weeks. That was almost 2 years ago (Jan 7,2010 will be 2 years) and I hate to tell you but a lot of the peeps here are full of BS. I was had ghost armor and 5B plates and was not good at killing big mobs until the last 6 months. I spent a lot on skilling and ammo and like I said just in last few months could I hunt atroxs and ambulmaxs. I just hit lvl 50 laser sniper and 50 laser dmg and that is after about 3 or 4 thousand USD. As he may or may not know that is half way to the top. 30 USD a month won't pay the decay on an amp for hunting. I was at 200 USDs per month for several months and could barely play as much as I wanted. Last count I have had over 400 gbls and a number of hofs but no ATH. My total according to entorpia track loot in globes and HOFs is just over 46,000 ped (Look for Herco Coz Mann in ET to see I am telling the truth) which I also put back in the game. So as you can see what you are talking here is peanuts. Sorry.
Peace.

 

[thoreau]

Their desire is to be considered an 'uber' in this game.

I m sorry, this is a wrong approach.

I have rephrased the question several times yet people continue to post this type of answer. How can I make it more clear?

The decision has already been made. The $1000 deposit is going to happen. This post is asking how would you advise the player to spend that money in an effort to jump start their progress.

Posts like 'wrong approach' or 'just have fun' don't answer the question. This is not about a judgment whether its a good idea or not. Its a question about the best way to spend the PEDs.

 

[BlackHawk]

I can understand that he wants to deposit 1k$ and become uber. It is hard to make it, but not impossible. To understand how hard it is to become uber, you just need to evaluate the avatar of an uber and you need to understand that to get there, you need to make your avatar worth that much, by depositing or just playing smart. And playing smart is hard work.

If he will go in hunting, he should get the 106 amp. Is a must. 300 ped/month will help him a lot a long the way. The key is not to invest in anything else except the amp and all money should go in ammo.

If he is at low level and he has no armor, he should buy shogun and a set of plates 5b. With this setup he can hunt many mobs. Just keep one thing in mind. All ammo you buy is skill you will make. Never buy any other items. Don't upgrade armor. Don't upgrade fap with any UL one. Just use the best L you can use. And get it as cheap as you can.

Decide on one mob and one place and do not move from there until you have the skills and the cash for a MINIMAL upgrade. Never make big upgrades. First upgrade should be one more amp. Then upgrade armor. But not with jag, or something stupid like that. Buy gremlin.

 

[CozMoDan]

I can understand that he wants to deposit 1k$ and become uber. It is hard to make it, but not impossible. To understand how hard it is to become uber, you just need to evaluate the avatar of an uber and you need to understand that to get there, you need to make your avatar worth that much, by depositing or just playing smart. And playing smart is hard work.

If he will go in hunting, he should get the 106 amp. Is a must. 300 ped/month will help him a lot a long the way. The key is not to invest in anything else except the amp and all money should go in ammo.

If he is at low level and he has no armor, he should buy shogun and a set of plates 5b. With this setup he can hunt many mobs. Just keep one thing in mind. All ammo you buy is skill you will make. Never buy any other items. Don't upgrade armor. Don't upgrade fap with any UL one. Just use the best L you can use. And get it as cheap as you can.

Decide on one mob and one place and do not move from there until you have the skills and the cash for a MINIMAL upgrade. Never make big upgrades. First upgrade should be one more amp. Then upgrade armor. But not with jag, or something stupid like that. Buy gremlin.

BlackHawk PLEASE! I don't want to be rude but "300 ped/month will help him a lot a long the way" ??? I shot that much up in ammo alone yesterday. AN 106 amp. I have been here a lot in 2 years and I have only seen a couple for sale and the MU will take one third of his money. And don't even think of becoming an uber with 1000 USD and 30 USD a month for a long time.
Sorry but you are not telling this person the right things. With what he is saying he wants to spend he is years away from uber unless you consider a lvl 30 laser sniper hit and damage an uber.
Peace.

 

[dotc0m]

STEP ONE :
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STEP TWO :
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STEP THREE :
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TOTAL SO FAR = 3300ped approx for the skills.


STEP FOUR :
Buy a A105 at tt+1300 so approx 1400fully repaired.

TOTAL SO FAR = 4700ped

STEP FIVE :
Buy a set of 5B plates or 5A plate.(approx 60ped x 7 = 420ped)

TOTAL SO FAR = 5120ped


STEP SIX :
Buy a set of armor (use a mix of cheapest MU % between bear/boar/martial/polaris (L) armor parts) this should cost approx 380ped max

TOTAL SO FAR : 5500

STEP SEVEN :
Vivo T15(L) = approx 60ped?

STEP EIGHT :
Korss 400(L) >> Approx 125ped...

TOTAL SO FAR : 5700ped

STEP NINE:
Buy a lesser tp chip + Mindforce >> approx 30ped

STEP TEN :
You have 4000ped approx to spend in ammo.

You are now level 15 paramedical
You have unlocked Ranged Damage Assessment
You have unlocked Marksmanship
You are level 20+ laser pistoleer(HIT)
You are level 18+ ranger laser (DMG)

You can enjoy hunting almost any creature.

You heal almost half your hp on each heal.

All those would make u have plenty of ammo.

STEP TWELVE:
have fun

With a similar setup i lose approx 100ped a week maximum. i can also endup profit over 200+. but people that say they lose more than 1000ped a day hunting must be doing something wrong? like hunting all day maybe? i dont know since i slowed playing myself because i cant deposit so i play slower and when i get a global i try 5-10more kill(to try get the global+hof combo scenario), do a 10-15min pause and go hunt something else(no chance to profit again on the area if i stay its too risky now that im in the profit)

I guess such investment and well played can bring alot of fun and note that since u chipped right away, u can say your skill investment is still there and will be till you sellout.

 

[dotc0m]

I just hit lvl 50 laser sniper and 50 laser dmg and that is after about 3 or 4 thousand USD.

My total according to entorpia track loot in globes and HOFs is just over 46,000 ped (Look for Herco Coz Mann in ET to see I am telling the truth) which I also put back in the game.

Lvl 50 laser sniper + lvl50 laser dmg is worth approx 35000ped which is close to what you deposited so far.

That is not counting any gear you have, and other skills u have as well.

I would call this a fair investment so far for as much as you played and cycled.

 

[BlackHawk]

BlackHawk PLEASE! I don't want to be rude but "300 ped/month will help him a lot a long the way" ??? I shot that much up in ammo alone yesterday. AN 106 amp. I have been here a lot in 2 years and I have only seen a couple for sale and the MU will take one third of his money. And don't even think of becoming an uber with 1000 USD and 30 USD a month for a long time.
Sorry but you are not telling this person the right things. With what he is saying he wants to spend he is years away from uber unless you consider a lvl 30 laser sniper hit and damage an uber.
Peace.

First of all, 300 ped/month does not mean you will lose those. But that those will be extra peds each month.
Second, I did not said that he will make it. I said that if he wants to have the best chance to make it, this is what he should do. Is hard. Only few manage to do it. If you failed, he may have a better chance. Don't expect all to fail where you did.


@dotc0m

Worst advice is to have no peds. You need minimum 7-8k peds to cycle in hunting with p5a. Skills will come. Chipping will cripple his budget, and if he is to do that, he will fail his quest in first week. Let him have a chance to last several months and see what is possible or not.

 

[dotc0m]

@dotc0m

Worst advice is to have no peds. You need minimum 7-8k peds to cycle in hunting with p5a. Skills will come. Chipping will cripple his budget, and if he is to do that, he will fail his quest in first week. Let him have a chance to last several months and see what is possible or not.

your not far from wrong, but i think investing in skills at about 3-4k is still a good investment. Paramedic lvl15 + able to use korss(which is cheaper than p5a in both economy and skills-range-usability) should be the basics. What i demonstrated is that with 10000ped he could be geared up easy and not lose much of those ped since its invested in skills.

I also myself hunt with less than 600ped at all time. And manage to survive till i can afford a deposit or sell skills about every 2-3month.

 

[BlackHawk]

You are right, is worth chipping those skills. I would. He should if he cn afford. But wasting all his money on that is not safe. Most important is to have most value invested in ammo, because that will convert in skills eventually.

 

[dotc0m]

I edited my proposition to reflect more ammo.

I think a budget of 4500ped of ammo is good too. not quite 7-8k but if he want to use korss+a105 with T15(L) he do need to sacrifice this.

Have to admit that korss burn alot less faster than a MM.

so he will need to hunt alot to cycle that 4500ped anyway and i think doing it wisely can endup with not much of loses overtime.

 

[Spawn]

as an investment

Currently I would advise the person to put the money on the bank.

Because: skillvalue keeps dropping because you don't need skills anymore, you loose anyway.

Because: hunting and mining returns atm are so bad, that the 10000 peds are gone within a few months

Because: Almost all items/guns do not have markup value anymore because of the above. Just look at the auction and see the volume of buyers on say pistols and you see this is true. Ppl who have high end items ask the price, but cannot cash, because nobody is buying anymore.

 

[FallenAngel]

You are right, is worth chipping those skills. I would. He should if he cn afford. But wasting all his money on that is not safe. Most important is to have most value invested in ammo, because that will convert in skills eventually.

i agree totally with blackhawk..all you need is enough peds for ammo and to last you through the bad weeks, no gear needed except for a amp and maybe shogun with some plates.

if you have ammo the skills will follow.
if you buy gear and skills to hunt bigger stuff but dont have 10K ped or more on your card to be able to hunt them you wont feel very uber for very long.

 

[Cool_Fire]

cycle peds in ammo = most fun in game

One thing I think should be noted about skilling in general and/or buying skills.

Early on with little to no skills you will have the fun of watching your skills grow rapidly as you enjoy hunting. The higher your skill level the longer you go between skill levels. It is a pretty big fun factor watching the increases each time you play.

someone correct this if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that if two people chipped in the same size chip and one person was at level 1, the second person at level 15 then the level one person would see a greater skill gain than the person with level 15. This makes me think that if you are going to chip in skills the most efficient use of chips is to use them as early as possible since you will gain the most levels for the least peds early on.

Second thing that should be considered is that skilling hunting skills by hunting or cycling your peds in ammo, as opposed to chipping in hunting skills will give you many secondary and even tertiary skill gains. Many folks chip those secondary and tertiary skills out to get more peds to cycle in hunting activity.

My

Cool_Fire

 

[Kerham]

Erm is this a joke? You can't answer correctly that question.

The respective player has only to understand that in EU the fastest way to become an uber is slow grinding, skilling exclusively natural, at least until a certain level. I know that apparently "fastest" doesn't fit in same phrase with "slow", but I stand by what I said.

There is no such thing as "correct chipping in" for a new player.

The only activity where he could be at the top via depositing/buying-the-way is pk, given he is accustomed to FPS & all (let aside that 1k$ is not at all enough for top pk), but in all other professions he needs first and most important knowledge, understanding of the game, reaction to economic movements, adaptability etc. You can't chip in those.

 

[CozMoDan]

First of all, 300 ped/month does not mean you will lose those. But that those will be extra peds each month.
Second, I did not said that he will make it. I said that if he wants to have the best chance to make it, this is what he should do. Is hard. Only few manage to do it. If you failed, he may have a better chance. Don't expect all to fail where you did.


@dotc0m

Worst advice is to have no peds. You need minimum 7-8k peds to cycle in hunting with p5a. Skills will come. Chipping will cripple his budget, and if he is to do that, he will fail his quest in first week. Let him have a chance to last several months and see what is possible or not.

That sounds better, I just thought that you were being a little to rosey at first. My bad. That being said I still think he is in for a big supprise. I started playing about 2 years ago. I am retired and so I played every day for over a year when I started ( at least 4 hours and sometimes a lot more every day). I depoed at lease 2 times what he is talking about and maybe more durning the first year. Today I have 130,000 skill points and highest lvl is 50 in hit and damage. Also according to ET I have over 46,000 ped in gbls and HOFs. Add that up and you are talking 7 to 8 times what he is talking about in PED. I don't consider that I am close to an uber yet but have a good start. As far as failing I think I have done well enough. I also don't think I can double my skill in the next two years as it gets much harder the futher you go and then there is the skill nerf to contend with. Anyway, I don't think he has a easy road to hoe.
Now after all of that I still think this is the best game around and I have enjoyed all of the playing that I have done and all the time and money is worth every penny I have spent and all the time I have invested.
Peace.

 

[CozMoDan]

Lvl 50 laser sniper + lvl50 laser dmg is worth approx 35000ped which is close to what you deposited so far.

That is not counting any gear you have, and other skills u have as well.

I would call this a fair investment so far for as much as you played and cycled.

I think so too and that is not even counting all the fun I have had. I am not counting the pissy times I had, be hey that got my blood up