Question: Hyperinflated USD might actually be happening now. Is there a contingency plan?

[Dibbler]

Having experienced hyper inflation at ground zero (Zimbabwe), if the USD entered this state then EU would be the least of your concerns. The first weeks prices were rising maybe 50% a day, then 100% and the black market rate for hard currency went insane (official rate 60 zim $ to 1 GBP..... blackmarket went from 300 to 1000 to 5000 to 1 GBP), also wages stayed the same causing chaos. The second week to 2nd month shops emptied first at border towns and then into main towns and cities as people in bordering countries came in with good currency and literally emptied shops/stores/wholesalers due to black market rate of zim dollar, allowing those who were fast to buy things at extremely high discount as panic to get hard currency gained pace. Personally i bought antiques, gold and artwork as i had a good amount of hard currency at that time which served me well on return to UK, and ofc gave people i had worked with there hard currency to get out if they were able to bordering nations.

If US economy entered this state and the USD collapsed overnight many other currencies would also go in a domino effect , beginning with those pegged to the USD and then I guess hitting other world currencies/stock exchanges. I don't think will happen anytime soon as US has a strong economy/infrastructure, the first step though i would guess would be losing world trade currency status (which is already being planned for with a basket of currencies of which i forget name).

If you are really worried about hyper inflation, personally i would go for physically held gold.

Sidenote/disclaimer - I am not a financial conultant and should be taken as a viewpoint. If you are really worried talk to a financial expert

 

[Naomi]

Just inflation last year. I think this year it'll be even closer to hyperinflation and it's gonna be bad maybe. All the UFO's in the universe ain't gonna keep people from noticing that.

The way they keep the current average inflation of over 20% out of the charts is by adding deflation at the same time according to Kitco. Plenty of info on their youtube channel. There is several reasons to hide inflation.

Inflation is simple: your money buys less and less. The more money printed, the higher the inflation. The effect of money-printing however is time-delayed. The wages barely increase at the same time, or at least, increase less then the REAL inflation, not the made-up number the governments present. Economic estimates are that REAL inflation is up to 5 times higher then official inflation.

Official numbers: Source: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

Inflation for dummies:

 

[Naomi]

crypto dont have inflation lol

Some crypto's are inflationary by design. The good ones usually are not, or they even are deflationary.

 

[Dibbler]

The way they keep the current average inflation of over 20% out of the charts is by adding deflation at the same time according to Kitco. Plenty of info on their youtube channel. There is several reasons to hide inflation.

Inflation is simple: your money buys less and less. The more money printed, the higher the inflation. The effect of money-printing however is time-delayed. The wages barely increase at the same time, or at least, increase less then the REAL inflation, not the made-up number the governments present. Economic estimates are that REAL inflation is up to 5 times higher then official inflation.

Official numbers: Source: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi

Inflation for dummies:

Then there is PPI, CPI/CPI, less food and energy and PCE/Core PCE less food and energy, CPI-U, CPI-W ...... there are more but i forget them all. The real rate of inflation as you said is higher than the massaged CPI Governments world over quote daily. Worth a read for anyone seriously interested in how it all works, and also great for knocking down bar experts.... what about PPI and CPE inflation rates ..... errr wut .
Also the way the world money markets work is truly scary, when you look into the whole pictue it's a wonder it all works at all.

A very basic inflation type link, enough to dismantle the fake know it alls at the bar or whatever, most people only hear CPI and assume it's the only one.

Is the Consumer Price Index (CPI) the best measure of inflation?

The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is a sound index to measure inflation, but for a more accurate and comprehensive measure, the Producer Price Index (PPI) and the gross domestic product (GDP) deflator are also required.

www.investopedia.com

 

[jambon]

It won't? I mean... As the USD value charges markups on items will too. TT value is arbitrary.

 

[Naomi]

 

[Aloisius]

well here we go now - stole post from gab - who is denying hyperinflation possible NOW>?

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
@NeonRevolt

7h·
I don't think people realized what just happened over the past few days, so I'm going to try to explain what I'm seeing:

The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles (currently, about 50 bucks).

At the same time, Putin made it so that Russian gas and oil can only be purchased in Rubles.

Meaning: Putin basically just pegged Russian oil and gas to gold, using paper rubles as a proxy.

Meaning: Europe will need to either buy Rubles from Putin in gold, in order to buy gas and oil, or they will have to buy directly in gold. Which means, there will soon be a lot more demand for rubles.

Currently, the forex rate for rubles to dollars is about 100:1.

But... with 5000 rubles now equaling 1 gram of gold, and oil being priced directly in gold - you're going to see a massive price disruption in these FOREX markets, in terms of how much gold a dollar can actually still buy.

Foreign countries holding our dollar debt notes in reserve will see less of a use for them, and will want to start dumping them, in order to get something more stable, something which holds its value.

Basically any currency pegged to gold now will fit the bill. Which means those countries - countries like Japan - will be dumping their dollar debt as fast as they can. They're are NOT going to go down with the ship. And they will move into more stable currencies - like the Ruble.

Which will have a deflationary effect on the Ruble, making it more valuable over time.

Which means Putin will be able to re-peg the Ruble to Gold at whatever rate he wants, down the line. It's 5000 rubles today. Tomorrow, it might be 500. And then 100. And then 10.

This also means all those excess dollars being dumped by foreign nations are about to come home and cause even worse hyperinflation than we're seeing.

Is it any wonder Biden is up on stage pleading with Europeans for regime change in Russia? He's about to have masses of angry and starving people marching through the streets here at home, demanding answers.

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋 on Gab: 'I don't think people realized what just happened …'

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋 on Gab: 'I don't think people realized what just happened over the past few days, so I'm going to try to explain what I'm seeing: The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles (currently, about 50 bucks). At the same time, Putin made it so that Russian gas and oil...

gab.com

 

[Naomi]

On the other hand, do you think it is the intention of Entropia to be a safe investment?
Remember the item bubbel before vu9? Things crashed hard after that. (Mod fap 300k anyone?)
Remember Tailoring? Blueprints went for over 30k (like master coat).
Remember Texturing?
Remember 1.0 weapons?
...
Many things seem inflationary by design here.
True, the last couple of years have been better.

 

[bard119]

If you are really worried about hyper inflation, personally i would go for physically held gold.

 

[Mac]

FWIW, Celsius pays 5.5% APY on PAXG

 

[MrFatBoy]

well here we go now - stole post from gab - who is denying hyperinflation possible NOW>?

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋
@NeonRevolt

7h·
I don't think people realized what just happened over the past few days, so I'm going to try to explain what I'm seeing:

The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles (currently, about 50 bucks).

At the same time, Putin made it so that Russian gas and oil can only be purchased in Rubles.

Meaning: Putin basically just pegged Russian oil and gas to gold, using paper rubles as a proxy.

Meaning: Europe will need to either buy Rubles from Putin in gold, in order to buy gas and oil, or they will have to buy directly in gold. Which means, there will soon be a lot more demand for rubles.

Currently, the forex rate for rubles to dollars is about 100:1.

But... with 5000 rubles now equaling 1 gram of gold, and oil being priced directly in gold - you're going to see a massive price disruption in these FOREX markets, in terms of how much gold a dollar can actually still buy.

Foreign countries holding our dollar debt notes in reserve will see less of a use for them, and will want to start dumping them, in order to get something more stable, something which holds its value.

Basically any currency pegged to gold now will fit the bill. Which means those countries - countries like Japan - will be dumping their dollar debt as fast as they can. They're are NOT going to go down with the ship. And they will move into more stable currencies - like the Ruble.

Which will have a deflationary effect on the Ruble, making it more valuable over time.

Which means Putin will be able to re-peg the Ruble to Gold at whatever rate he wants, down the line. It's 5000 rubles today. Tomorrow, it might be 500. And then 100. And then 10.

This also means all those excess dollars being dumped by foreign nations are about to come home and cause even worse hyperinflation than we're seeing.

Is it any wonder Biden is up on stage pleading with Europeans for regime change in Russia? He's about to have masses of angry and starving people marching through the streets here at home, demanding answers.

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋 on Gab: 'I don't think people realized what just happened …'

ℕ𝔼𝕆ℕ ℝ𝔼𝕍𝕆𝕃𝕋 on Gab: 'I don't think people realized what just happened over the past few days, so I'm going to try to explain what I'm seeing: The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles (currently, about 50 bucks). At the same time, Putin made it so that Russian gas and oil...

gab.com

and how is all your forecasting coming along?

did you really call the ruble a stable currency - lol

 

[Naomi]

FWIW, Celsius pays 5.5% APY on PAXG

are you sure you want to get into celcius these days?

 

[Mac]

are you sure you want to get into celcius these days?

Nope! I'll be happy if I can get out what I had there - if ever! Such is the life of chasing yield in a high risk asset class. It wasn't "more than you can afford to lose", just an experimental amount - a fraction of what I hold in cold storage, but nobody like to lose. They are diligently paying off their debts from what random posts I see from people tracking it. It ain't over until the fat lady sings, all I'm hearing is noise. Let's see what happens.

Afternoon edit: Ooops! The Fat Lady sings!
Embattled crypto lender Celsius informs state regulators that it’s filing for bankruptcy ‘imminently,’ source says
PUBLISHED WED, JUL 13 20227:03 PM EDT
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/13/emb...g-for-bankruptcy-imminently-source-says-.html

 

[wizz]

I have been thinking about this for some time now. I've asked soc mates and others how hyperinflation would affect this game. No one seems to think it's possible. But in the real world almost every financial news advisory is warning people to get gold, silver or bitcoin. I'm quite sure they are right. Now, since EU's economy is intricately related to the USD currency, how will hyperinflation affect us and the RCE in Entropia Universe?

Might be interesting to look into this again.
For as it is now, it's the opposite around!
The dollar is getting stronger and stronger.
For the European player Entropia became more than 25% more expensive to plays since last year.
For those wanting to cash out, it's nice, because they get an extra 25% bonus when paid in Euro's.

How will this effect the game?
Will EU players depo less now because of the horrible current exchange rate?
Will EU players now be tempted to take their money out and take this 25% bonus?
What if the dollar rises even further?
Which EU player will pay 400 euro for a CLD for example?

I got a pending with drawl which I wanted asap in my bank account.
But as it is now, for each day MA takes longer I get 1% extra!

How do other EU players look at this?

Some numbers:
May 21. EUR/Doll 1,22
Sept 22 EUR/Doll 0,97

 

[I Ruskov I]

For european people game as became more expensive
I assume 75% of player base is come from europe ?
Just look at some items price arround .. -10 -20 -30 % or so today compared of 6 month ago
Not the only fact but the change of rate currency matter a lot

 

[ProActive Mango]

Its time for our american fellows to deposit and enjoy this game while EU takes a break and selling out. Dynamic world!

 

[Entropia Dao]

This thread OP didn't age well.
In stead of hyperinflation of USD, we get a high inflation of other currencies compared to the USD.
How that will play out is yet to see.

Three places seem to be doing well economically, Russia, US and China. and only one of those places has a significant EU population that can still deposit/redraw.
Not to say that there aren't any problems in the US, but compared to where Europe is heading.

 

[Mac]

Last one out, don't forget to set the server hamster free.

 

[Spawn]

This thread OP didn't age well.
In stead of hyperinflation of USD, we get a high inflation of other currencies compared to the USD.
How that will play out is yet to see.

Three places seem to be doing well economically, Russia, US and China. and only one of those places has a significant EU population that can still deposit/redraw.
Not to say that there aren't any problems in the US, but compared to where Europe is heading.

While the Usa may appear to do better than the rest of the world, the inflation is still 8.3% (august 2022) Op made this thread long before the inflation started happening, So I disagree that the thread didn't age well. Thread is very actual and factual. Europes inflation rate sits at 12%

 

[Entropia Dao]

While the Usa may appear to do better than the rest of the world, the inflation is still 8.3% (august 2022) Op made this thread long before the inflation started happening, So I disagree that the thread didn't age well. Thread is very actual and factual. Europes inflation rate sits at 12%

Hyperinflation is simply put, an excess of money and/or a distrust in the currency.
Rising prices now are due to a lack of goods.

Both things are very different and require very different approaches to solve.
The scary part is that many policy makers around the world are not realizing this and by the time they will realize this people will be starving in countries that nobody thought people ever would starve in.

 

[Naomi]

Warren Buffet getting out of the USD
and he's not alone...

 

[San]

Warren Buffet getting out of the USD
and he's not alone...

Yes and it's much bigger than individual investors. Just look up "de-dollarisation", there is a large-scale drive in many countries throughout the world to get rid of dependencies on USD as intermediate currency for trade. They are fed up with its weaponisation, sanctions and related issues. Talk about it is nothing new, but they're getting serious now. In their eyes, the West has overdrawn the bow. The only reason they're not dumping all their dollar assets at once is that they still want the best possible return for it. But there is only one way from here on and it follows gravity.

 

[MrFatBoy]

Warren Buffet getting out of the USD
and he's not alone...

link please - i want to see the source of this

also - if he is getting out of the Dollar what is he getting into? It's not crypto that's for sure.

 

[theProphet]

if he is getting out of the Dollar what is he getting into?

stocks, cpt. obvious!

 

[Naomi]

Saoudi's selling their oil in other currencies now, not just in USD.
The petro-dollar is no more.

 

[MrFatBoy]

stocks, cpt. obvious!

so because he selling stocks he's dumping Dollars? maybe help out the non stock guru's like you to explain it better - as far as i know Buffet buys stocks when they are down if he likes the company

so show me where Buffet said he is dumping Dollars or are you just another non US person always thinking the US $ needs to be de-throned? Sure the $ has issues but its stil more stable than most other countries as far as i know - but hey i am no economist.

 

[MrFatBoy]

Saoudi's selling their oil in other currencies now, not just in USD.
The petro-dollar is no more.

ok fine - still does not show me where Buffets said he is exiting the USD ? so help a non economist / stock guy out here.

 

[Naomi]

link please - i want to see the source of this

I'm sorry I can't find the vid I watched yesterday. Just did a clean install. If I come across it I'll link it.

 

[MrFatBoy]

I'm sorry I can't find the vid I watched yesterday. Just did a clean install. If I come across it I'll link it.

did you mean he is reducing his cash hoard and buying now ? if so then, to me at least, what you posted is misleading - you could have just said he is now using his cash to get into stocks - if this is what you meant otherwise yes when you find the vid please link it.

 

[Aloisius]

its getting pretty exciting. here is a guy taking another guys 1 million usd bet that hyperinfltion will not come anytime soon. looks like a serious bet too lol...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636797265317867520