I had a 2200 ped loan on fort argus bank that expired a day early

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I went to claim and my good gun was expired but all the junk still there. Is there anyway to contact bank owner to get my item back? Post edited due to jumping to conclusions
 
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I went to claim and my good gun was expired but all the junk still there. Is there anyway to contact bank owner to get my item back? EU seems to be becoming more and more of a scam.

If it really did expire a day early, contact support.

But I think you probably just got the days mixed up.
 
Tzepu is the owner unless it has changed recently. He's a good guy so try contacting him. He can be found both in here and in game under that name.
 
best to contact the owner directly, the name should be on the estate terminal (and here on PCF i think) but when you use the word scam, when you havn't been scammed (either bug/glitch or human error) in which MA benefit in no way (unless you mean EU is full of scammers), you will get peoples backs up on this forum
 
Instead of freaking out and posting shit, why don't you simply do a search on the forum and you'll find the owner in about 2 seconds, or if you'd checked the estate terminal you'd have found the owner without even having to come to the forum.

He's a decent guy who might sort out the problem for you, but if you don't edit your post he may tell you to take it up with MA and you'll be writing supports letters for the next 3 month.
 
I went to claim and my good gun was expired but all the junk still there. Is there anyway to contact bank owner to get my item back? EU seems to be becoming more and more of a scam.

Try to make Contact with the bank owner (Tzepu Geri) directly. I Think he also has an email address on a sign at his bank. If you can eplain exactly what you lost he would most likely give it back to you.

If you really Think it's a bug you can make a support ticket and see what support can do.

Note that the bank loans is 30 Days, which means that for months that are 31 Days (like January) it can seem like a loan is expiring a day early...

As far as I know, if he can he will return the item to you if you Contact him. It's the time that's your enemy here; you need to Contact him Before he feels the need to sell the items to re-fill the bank...
 
I echo slither's comment. Relax.
 
Calling people out for scammer when the mistake was probably yours is a wrong thing to do.
Making a bold statment might bring consequences, dont be admired afterwards.
If it was indeed a bug and it expired one day early i think Tzepu might sort it out
 
Calling people out for scammer when the mistake was probably yours is a wrong thing to do.
Making a bold statment might bring consequences, dont be admired afterwards.
If it was indeed a bug and it expired one day early i think Tzepu might sort it out

Ok I went ahead and edited my post, didn't mean to come to conclusions. Just seemed odd that I was flying back from Arkadia to pay off the loan and very clearly saw the epiry date. When I get there to claim the most expensive item is gone, but the rest there. I'm glad to head that he is a reasonable guy and I' sure he will fix it. I've been sick the last few days and a little cranky, barely have the energy to go chase im down. Thank you all for the support.
 
Send him a forum PM. He is not online that often but he is a fair guy.
 
Fort Argus Bank owner please contact me

If anyone knows owner can they please ask him to contact me? I friends requested in game and saw no email address on estate terminal TY.
 
You may also drop him a PM ingame, he can be found in playerregister :)
 
Tzepu is pretty busy. He doesent play much anymore. Dont stress out.

I am pretty confident hes going to help you. Tzepu been in Entropia universe for ages. Its important you dont begin throwing around accusations, especially because we're talking a well known avatar, and not some random dude. That increases your chances tenfold.

If i were you, i'd tip him a few ped for the service, when he returns it
 
First of all, a big thank you everyone that pointed out the obvious!
Really happy to see that the community hasn't forgotten me yet, even if I'm not that active recently :)
Another thank you to the friend that mentioned this thread to me, I didn't see it until today.

Dan could have found my contact information in 2 seconds if he just did a search or even looked ingame.

The below sign is behind the bank teller and has been there since the bank opened years ago.


I discuss bank business privately but since Dan started this publicly I think it's only fair to answer publicly.

The gun in question expired on 2016-02-04
It was not a bug, it was not a scam and Dan did not go there 1 day late, he went there 11 days late.



Please see the below quote from the bank thread about item recovery (especially the bolded parts):
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?240878-Fort-Argus-Bank-is-open-for-business!
Post number 3

"Extended loans and lost item recovery

If you are worried about losing your items best safety is to take a screenshot of the Loan Deed. If the loan expires and the deed gets removed it will be your proof that it's your item that's in the bank. As the bank system works now I only see item name and date, no hour and especially no name.

If you have RL or ingame issues affecting you or your avatar and you realize you won't be able to repay the loan contact me here or ingame (or have a friend contact me) before the loan expires.

To extend a loan you just have to contact me before the loan expires and I will extend it for 1 extra loan term (of 30 days atm) and the cost will only be the normal bank interest.
It's possible to extend a loan just once!"

Admins, please feel free to close this thread!
 
You didn't attempt to contact him until 11 days after it expired and then didn't do it privately but chose to do it publicly; and even after you get in contact with him privately you post in this thread and his bank advertising thread.

You've had multiple chances to do this the right way but continue to post publicly in some attempt to shame him into doing it. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he said the matter is closed.

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You walk into a bar and accidentally drop your wallet, some guy picks it up. What should you do?

a) Quietly say to the guy "I lost my wallet, I think that might be it".

b) Point at the guy and shout out load to everyone in the bar "This man has my wallet, I'm going to ask for it back"
 
b) Point at the guy and shout out load to everyone in the bar "This man has my wallet, I'm going to ask for it back"

i remember it a little bit different, something like this guy has scammed me my wallet. a very very bad behavior, if you think that it wasn't tzepu who did any mistake at all.

+rep Tzepu for showing how to do things kinda professional, and not like a stupid kid. sorry DanTheManKae, it was all your fault in my opinion! :wise:
 
Do not offer him a refund.

Clearly in the wrong here.

Went about doing it wrong.

Plus did not follow terms!
 
Do not offer him a refund.

Clearly in the wrong here.

Went about doing it wrong.

Plus did not follow terms!

Wow!!! where is the heart in this thread, it's like a cesspit of puke.

I despise the whole so called game, more and more everyday.

It's not about who might be right or wrong, it's about finding a fair balance that everyone is happy with.

Entropia the only game that can f*** you legally out of everything.

What a bright future we have.

Rick

ps: I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, I'm pointing the finger at everyone.
 
Wow!!! where is the heart in this thread, it's like a cesspit of puke.

I despise the whole so called game, more and more everyday.

It's not about who might be right or wrong, it's about finding a fair balance that everyone is happy with.

Entropia the only game that can f*** you legally out of everything.

What a bright future we have.

Rick

ps: I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, I'm pointing the finger at everyone.

If the guy had gone to Tzepu privately, explained his mistake in timing and offered to pay the loan back (potentially with a courtesy tip) I am 100% certain Tzepu would have accepted. He probably would have accepted without the tip. He also offers a proxy extension of 30 days for a fee of just the extra interest percentage.

However, Dan threw his toys out of his pram, accused Tzepu of scamming, created a thread and defamed Tzepu in his own banking thread.

Who's at fault?

There's a way of dealing with things, this is an adult game. A bit of respect and humility goes a long way....
 
If the guy had gone to Tzepu privately, explained his mistake in timing and offered to pay the loan back (potentially with a courtesy tip) I am 100% certain Tzepu would have accepted. He probably would have accepted without the tip. He also offers a proxy extension of 30 days for a fee of just the extra interest percentage.

However, Dan threw his toys out of his pram, accused Tzepu of scamming, created a thread and defamed Tzepu in his own banking thread.

Who's at fault?

There's a way of dealing with things, this is an adult game. A bit of respect and humility goes a long way....

Well there's two issues

1) How parties resolve disputes.

2) Being judge a jury when one party holds all the cards, and justifying that guilty position on the basis that two wrongs "do make a right".

This is happening a lot lately, or it's at least more open to the public. Yet the public seem to want to promote this ideal of publicly flogging the victim because they didn't like what the victim said, or didn't like the approach of the victim even though it's likely the victim is feeling under considerable stress.

So in essence the message is the community prefers a society of two wrongs definitely do make a right. That those holding all the cards are God in any dispute and they make the rules.

The victim or person that might incur a loss thus deserves 100% punishment and ridicule.

For the record, I'm not attacking Tzepu. On personally level I despise all banks in EU, I consider them to be loan shark business that target the meek. They're the scum of the earth in EU or RL. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, I will never use a bank. I'm totally against the system in principle, especially in a game like EU, that encourages desperation often before a player properly thinks things through. It's a addictive gambler's worst nightmare.

My issue is not with that....my issue is with fairness and an outcome that suits all parties. If both walk away feeling like winners, then that is perfect business. That's how "good" business work in the real world.

My point being that maybe contributors to the thread should be shouting for a fair agreement, rather than witch hunting one party to feel pain. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the dispute.

It would appear that Dan may have got his dates wrong and also told some half truths, however there's still a solution that everyone can come out happy and apologies made if this is due.

Rick
 
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Enough pointing fingers, I think there's absolutely no point taking this discussion any further.

Admins, please close the thread.
 
Hope I can post before it closes.

... especially in a game like EU, that encourages desperation often before a player properly thinks things through.
Mirror, one of the greatest strategists I've ever met, a leader of a big society and one of my best online friends once said:

"It's not enough for a game to provide entertainment. A really good game should also educate."​

I agree it's good if ppl forgive and make generous exceptions, but it has to be an exception. As soon as u start expecting all rules will always be bent you will effectively make a new rule. A rule that says there's no rules.

As soon as u do that there will be ppl who take advantage of that.

It goes like that:
Last time we robbed that guy in the dark back alley, took his wallet and beat him up so bad that he will be spending rest of his life in a wheelchair. In court we said we were out of money, lost our job and our wife left us. So we were under lot of stress and thus should be forgiven. And the judge says allright, in the light of all these extenuating circumstances my decision is: Not guilty.
What u think will be the result? Next time those lowlifes will kill their victim cuz, they have learned what are the new rules of the game. Can u blame them? They were told there's no need to behave responsibly, and they learned the lesson well.​

This game teaches us to behave responsibly and think things through. Otherwise the consequences will be bad for u. This is a valuable lesson to learn and who knows, it might save u from much worse IRL. If so it has fulfilled it's highest purpose.

* * *

There's one old Jewish story about a poor widow and her two neighbors, the wicked one and the merciful one.
The widow was so poor she didn't have piece of bread to give her children.

So she went to her 1st neighbor, asked: Please, my children are starving can u give me a piece of bread?
But the wicked man said: Go away u worthless beggar and threw stones after her.

So she went to her 2nd neighbor, asked for piece of bread. That was a good man, he gave her bread and said kind words.

One day the wicked neighbor died. The widow was again out of bread and went to the good neighbor as usual.
This time the man said: I'm sorry I have no bread for you. See, this man who just died gave me bread every day so that I could give it to you.


I will not say what this story means. U will figure it out. :computer:
 
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On personally level I despise all banks in EU, I consider them to be loan shark business that target the meek. They're the scum of the earth in EU or RL. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, I will never use a bank. I'm totally against the system in principle

wow! :eyecrazy:
 
As soon as u do that there will be ppl who take advantage of that.

It goes like that:
Last time we robbed that guy in the dark back alley, took his wallet and beat him up so bad that he will be spending rest of his life in a wheelchair. In court we said we were out of money, lost our job and our wife left us. So we were under lot of stress and thus should be forgiven. And the judge says allright, in the light of all these extenuating circumstances my decision is: Not guilty.
What u think will be the result? Next time those lowlifes will kill their victim cuz, they have learned what are the new rules of the game. Can u blame them? They were told there's no need to behave responsibly, and they learned the lesson well.​

Sure I hear ya. good read Fifth..the Jewish story.

I'm not socialist by the way, I'm more for fair justice which are two different things. I do think people need to pay their way, I'm not a fan of wealth distribution in the sense of getting something for nothing.

Although it's interesting what you've said there. The world has moved on, people do get punished in RL, although not as severely as before, it's more of a warning shot. Learn or you will get punished next time, on a growing scale.

It's better than cutting peoples hands off, like in the old days.

I often think there's scope for more discussion in the forum, looking at both sides of the coin.



LOL..not all banks in RL....just extortionate interest rate banks. In fact it got so bad in the UK, many of them got shut down. The reason I'm against it in principle 'if' people lose good items, we've likely lost a player. Rather than that player leaving it a few weeks until they have some money to play again.

But hey whatever, choice choices. If the game losses players over it, that's MA issue to do the maths.

Enough pointing fingers, I think there's absolutely no point taking this discussion any further.

Admins, please close the thread.

On come on Tzepu, we're having a nice debate.
 
...Admins, please close the thread.

/mod note/
Unless there's a significant rule violation, that's up to the threadstarter to request.
I've sent him a PM though, asking if he wishes this thread to be closed.
 
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