I just love it when people meet my expectations ...

[Coop_]

I don't know if i skimmed the long story correctly but if the other members didn't shoot the mob to me they get nothing. But if they did and died well should be a split of course.

If the agreement prior to the hunt is that hofs are split evenly to all team members, then it doesn't matter who shot the hoffing mob--it only matters who was an active part of the team at that point.

The point of that loot share agreement is that your fortunes rise or fall as a team. If someone is unwilling to honor that agreement, then they are free to hunt solo or in a team with different agreements.

 

[Savanna Blaise]

... Screw worrying about what people think and might say. I'll do what I feel is right to protect the people in my society . . . .

When I commanded NBK Legion for a period, that was my exact philosphy.

On a side note, there's some interesting ideas about loot settings for teams that I think can be constructively explored, whether here or elsewhere. I, for one, hope that MA/FPC listens and consider implementation to try and keep these situations from happening more often.

 

[Majandi]

I thought here they had the no naming rule :/

I'm sure that at least 70% of people in EU would run away with such a big loot. And since your soc. claims to have lots of newbies; that's always a possibility.

Remember that's a roleplay game. Smart players make money.

Best of luck in future hunts!

 

[Karv]

Such a scumbag. That are more than 800 USD and it's a classical fraud - a lawyer should sort that out, if MA don't do anything. There are chatlogs, there is everything - if the option of a real split is missing (i.E. a special pool for all non stackables where the teammembers can decide if anyone can get it or for what he'll get it or if it should go to auciton after the hunt instantly) and if only trust is the thing that could help - then there is missing a much needed function in the game. An agreement is an agreement, he broke it... "Money can make best friends to enemies"...

But lawyers are expensive. You need to get the chatlogs, need to verify them... it would be easier if you have anything else - like an internet account, mail address - in internet, there is no privacy, get his IP, then his private address and send him a letter, this alone should scare the shit out of him. If not - send the lawyer there... If you win the lawsuit, he has to take all costs (in normal countries) - and that are more than 800 USD.

For some people there is no excuse that they are in existence... They think they can do anything anywhere - with every crime it's the same - people who think they can do it, because they are something special... they are less than nothing, they bleed like a human being, so they are a human being - and to hide behind the "anonymity of the internet" is just lol. -.-

Sorry, but I'm in a bad mood too... In real life there are enough things right now, where I think "what the heck"... An 800 USD fraud would be nothing in comparison to that... I hope it's understandable that such a "little" thing can make me a little bit angry now, even when I'm not involved...

I hope that you'll get back that money. MA could do something in that case. They have to in my opinion, if they don't make a stand in that case, they show that such scumbags have a chance in that game - so they'll increase in numbers - and the real playerbase will get smaller and smaller, it's a slow process, but yes, at the current situation this game has a downwards tendency, if there are not many changes in the near future...

 

[MindStar9]

I thought here they had the no naming rule :/

I'm sure that at least 70% of people in EU would run away with such a big loot. And since your soc. claims to have lots of newbies; that's always a possibility.

Remember that's a roleplay game. Smart players make money.

Best of luck in future hunts!

With all due respect ... I don't think that role playing and being a smart player to make money means dishonoring team hunting rules, or going back on something you agreed to from the beginning. I'm also hoping that your estimated (wait, you said "I'm sure") 70% statistic is wrong about how many would run away with big loot. And, the no naming rule applies to alleged/perceived scammers, and this thread appears not to fit that particular rule according to JC (Moderator).

 

[Rockchick]

I'm sure that at least 70% of people in EU would run away with such a big loot.

Im shocked that you have such a low opinion of the EU community, I pick and choose who I hunt with and have never had this happen me.

And I hope I never will

 

[Dhorm]

Wow, are you behind the times, mate. MS9 has as much mod ability as you do. (No offense to either of you, of course. Just making a joke.)

As for this thread:



I guess the question is: Is refusing to split loot under a controversial team hunt situation a scam?

Whether it was his intention from the start to magically hit the big loot and scamper w/ it, I doubt it. Although it's fairly obvious that team hunting w/ him is dangerous, as any big loots will become a contentious affair.

It's also possible that he will figure out the error of his ways, man-up, and deal w/ the loot in a fair manner.

I'm quite sure that if he were in this team hunt, and someone else hit that 6k, he would have expected it to be shared equally among the group.

Im sorry but thats just weak, a mod who goes after loopholes? Seriously?
I dont like the scammer one bit (Yes I think hes a scammer) and I think he deserves hanging by the city walls like this but what I think even stronger is that rules applies to everyone whatever they did.

Scammer, to lie and decieve in order to reach a certain goal.

Cut the crap dude..

Btw, this might all be the rum I've been drinking tonight

 

[lilac]

As a general of a noob soc with a lot of coming and going it is your responsibility to try and provide a safe environement for people to grow, learn the game and its etiquette. Since that guy already had your attention you can't really blame him for not changing, why should he? In his point (and in ma's) he didn't do anything wrong, stack share/most dmge... and we don't know if he paid out some of the money or not..

If you're saying that the guy should have been pre-kicked because just cause alwyn had a gut reaction that he was a douchebag, I disagree. unless the gut came from something concrete...

One of the trade-offs you make in being in a large soc is that even though you may not care for the dude... he may have made friends with others in the soc. Even as general, you need to have others have there way too.

I'll agree that is probably the reason that most soc's stop recruiting so aggressively once they get more established, and most gamers (myself included) don't have the patience to lead a"development" soc long term... but the discussion of the best tactics to grow a successful soc is for another thread.

Weird assed politics involved when new players are just meeting people in game and just have a few friends... can't blame the general... she tried her best. and probably has guessed right way more often than not.

I don't know if i skimmed the long story correctly but if the other members didn't shoot the mob to me they get nothing. But if they did and died well should be a split of course. I said this a zillion times in game and on here this is exactly why I don't team hunt

kosmos

It was multiple aggro... most soc's have rules about spliiting in that case...

if the other folks were answering the phone, getting ammo, half way across the radar shooting something else... i agree.

Regardless... we're probably talking about the soc who invented rules... I'm sure there's enough reading material out there for the guy to understand how the group expects folks to handle the situation.

I thought here they had the no naming rule :/

I'm sure that at least 70% of people in EU would run away with such a big loot. And since your soc. claims to have lots of newbies; that's always a possibility.

Remember that's a roleplay game. Smart players make money.

Best of luck in future hunts!

Remember that these are people

Most people want to feel honest... most people understand honest to mean doing what you said ya would. Most people wouldn't act like a bitch for 600$ worth of pixels

Most players, even those new to EU, have a concept of "guild" and helping eachother...

Do me a favor, and don't hunt with me or talk to me if you play the game to roleplay a nice person and fuck people over.

 

[zen]

I was in that team from the starting but left the team just before we switched mobs to trox. I even kept that scumbag alive from bugs hunting at TI. Well from now onward, its KOS for this dude.

I've hunted many times with our lower NBK soc and we always set split rules prior to hunt. YES...team leader did made it in loud and clear voice about loot split rules. We do many hunts where we take our lower soc to hunt bigger mobs, which they can only imagine of killing them in year(s). I've even came across many NBK who have asked to take more from split loot cause we use bigger firepower to take aggro from them, understanding that our cost/kill is higher. We always have fun in soc hunt and we will continue to have it. This is an eyeopener for us. This isn't the 1st time it happen in calypso nor it will be last when real $$ is involved (unless MA comes up with "Scumbag team kick becomes lootable pvp" (j/k)) We will continue with precaution from here onwards.

KOS scumbag = all my EFD belongs to u.
(Prtscren is required)

Peace,

 

[The Ripper]

I'm sure that at least 70% of people in EU would run away with such a big loot. And since your soc. claims to have lots of newbies; that's always a possibility.

Really.

I've been a part of many teams from noob to uber. none of which has any member conducted themselves like this.. 70% of the people would be xcessive!. If 70% of the people you have met have done things like this. let everyone know.. theyre all twats lol

 

[Majandi]

Most people wouldn't act like a bitch for 600$ worth of pixels

Why not? Actually bitches do their job for less money and this game is full of them.

Really.

I've been a part of many teams from noob to uber. none of which has any member conducted themselves like this.. 70% of the people would be xcessive!. If 70% of the people you have met have done things like this. let everyone know.. theyre all twats lol

I'm not friend of the mods; my posts would get deleted because of the "no naming rule"

 

[kosmos]

If the agreement prior to the hunt is that hofs are split evenly to all team members, then it doesn't matter who shot the hoffing mob--it only matters who was an active part of the team at that point.

The point of that loot share agreement is that your fortunes rise or fall as a team. If someone is unwilling to honor that agreement, then they are free to hunt solo or in a team with different agreements.

if the agreement was really everyone gets equal share no matter what all i can say is someone can't just use a low dps gun or be afk often... well they can get over on people. guess i am just too out of the loop on matters like this. sorry for off topic. For the record if it was me i would split unless someone was lazy shooting.

kosmos

 

[KiriMistPrinces]

I don't know if i skimmed the long story correctly but if the other members didn't shoot the mob to me they get nothing. But if they did and died well should be a split of course. I said this a zillion times in game and on here this is exactly why I don't team hunt



www.hushmail.com works

kosmos

I recall team hunting with you on a few occassions

Pretty disappointed by what happened here. I don't think I have been on an NBK hunt where loot rules were not discussed. Usually on hunts where lower socs are invited all HoFs or globals are split since the newer players have lower dps guns. Contrary to belief a lot of us like to hunt for fun and it feels good seeing a newbie feel good when they get to share a large loot. Upper level socs may run a little different on hunts but it just depends on who's hunting and what's agreed on.

Sorry to hear what happened but glad to hear some people are still decent and put in their share to help out the others

 

[txtech]

As the leader of this particular hunt I wanna say thank you to everyone responded, regardless of your take on the situation.
I was invited to Army by Jess about 10 days ago (from Elite) to help with the newer players and observe a couple of potential problems. And although this player was unsavory, his actions did not show any indications of dishonesty. I hunted with him on several team hunts previous to this particular hunt. To his credit he always handed loot over to me no questions asked. At this point: Ass bag - yes ..... thief - No
I will not go into the details of the hunt... they have been repeated multiples times on this thread already. I discussed the rules with everyone who joined our hunt just like i do on every team hunt i lead. Did i want us to hit a HOF? Sure! Did i expect us to? of course not... i'm more concerned in teaching the new ones on technique, tactics, etc. than making a profit. I know where and what to hunt to make my profit (for me anyway ).
So.... when it happened i was freakin' thrilled!! I've hit big HOF's myself but you never get tired of them regardless if your in a team or solo! lol! but then the problem began....
I cannot FORCE someone to give me the loot for me to distribute. I gave him every opportunity to do the right thing and he chose not to. End of story.
I will not name him although he has been named already. i just want each of you who has read this post to beware if you deal with this..... person.

{removed}

 

[MindStar9]

I recall team hunting with you on a few occassions

And ... I recall team hunting with you many times ... as well as being invited into the NBK team hunts comprised of not only the higher-level members, but the new players as well. I've always admired how the NBK take care of their own with regard to development, and how the upper-level members move (temporarily) to lower-level socs in order to help out. There's a real sense of family and community in this respect, but more than that, it's motivational and inspires new players to get more involved.

I can say ... that even when there were only 3 of us in a team hunt, the loot rules were discussed up front and agreed on, and in all these years of being a guest participant, not once did something like this ever happen. There were no big loots like what happened here, but loots with a high enough TT value with markup that it was split as agreed. It's just a shame that things like this happen, and I hope that one day MA will rework the team hunting to give more safeguards against something like this if possible.

 

[Xavier_Jr]

How it would say an old priest from Brazil that i know: um verdadeiro filho da put...

Sorry for the members of the team.

 

[lilac]

Why not? Actually bitches do their job for less money and this game is full of them.

ok... if you wanna get technical about it... into our whole economic system....there are alot of people that don't do the most honorable things and the economy supports it... says it's ok....

still, I think that most people want to go to bed thinking they're good people and treat others well...

people that fuck people over in RL usually have a support network with a corresponding philosophy telling them to do so.

In that way, I think that even though eu encourages greed to a certain extent... it's ahead in a certain way.

 

[Xavier_Jr]

Why not? Actually bitches do their job for less money and this game is full of them.

hahaha Maji is really dangerous to make a hunting team with you. From now I will call you "The lonly hunter"... hehehe

 

[Joske]

With great interest, I have been reading this thread.

As y'all could see a few pages back, this guy had become member of Omerta.
On my first encounter of the guy, I too had a bit of problems with this guy.
And that was before my soc boss told him what the guy had told him about whole this happening.
That and the things I had seen him saying in soc chat made my alarm bells go off and I advised prudence and vigilance towards this guy. And that hearing the other side (NBK's) of the story would be a good idea.

Sadly enough, reading this thread, I find out that my feelings were right. Yet, I am glad that we have heard of this so fast and that this "sujet" is no longer a member of our respected society.

 

[Wolverine Queen]

Not a scammer, but a douchebag.

 

[Joske]

Not a scammer, but a douchebag.

True. Just a guy unworthy of trust.

 

[Sigrid Valkyrie]

Ah well, good riddance to bad trash. Dipshit loser.

 

[TheVoid]

is karma must be so low right now...

he should make a list

 

[Tree-doctor]

As I said its sad. But u guys just made me lol, at rereading the whole thread.

You should take a little bit of height (or maturity) in front of the situation ... Especialy the olds players who know how things work in EU.

I find childish the following said things :

# "I will put him in the KOS list ..."dudes ... seriously lol, who care ? Since EU isn't full pvp I doubt he will care about that but ..

# "I blacklisted him ..."dudes ... seriously lol, who care ? Since he probably actualy withdraw the $ and build an another avatar with his grand'ma name, like so many many dudes over here, over years ...

In +, the maps are so gigantic that he can find some spots and outposts, and play weeks before someone cross his road, if even the guy heard about him ...

So, ok what he did wasn't gentleman. But he did it. No need to expense about it it will change nothing, its not even a crime. Take the knock and learn that nobody is trustful inside EU, just ur family and some old tarts who roam sometimes over here.

Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

 

[Sigrid Valkyrie]

As I said its sad. But u guys just made me lol, at rereading the whole thread.

You should take a little bit of height (or maturity) in front of the situation ... Especialy the olds players who know how things work in EU.

I find childish the following said things :

# "I will put him in the KOS list ..." dudes ... seriously lol, who care ? Since EU isn't full pvp I doubt he will care about that but ..

# "I blacklisted him ..." dudes ... seriously lol, who care ? Since he probably actualy withdraw the $ and build an another avatar with his grand'ma name, like so many many dudes over here, over years ...

In +, the maps are so gigantic that he can find some spots and outposts, and play weeks before someone cross his road, if even the guy heard about him ...

So, ok what he did wasn't gentleman. But he did it. No need to expense about it it will change nothing, its not even a crime. Take the knock and learn that nobody is trustful inside EU, just ur family and some old tarts who roam sometimes over here.

Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

Well you can only do what you can do but I'd rather be warned of someone like that.

 

[N00b]

600 dollar options,

bet on horses, play poker, save a life, buy some crack, go to a prostitute, get drunk, help the needy, start a revolution...

Who knows

Who Cares

 

[Angel O2 Mercer]

...I find childish the following said things :

Big font size is childish too lol

 

[chielsen]

It would be interesting to have a team stack share option, where all loot was held in the team "pool" until the end and then distributed by damage done to all of the mobs looted during the team hunt. You would be compensated for damage done over the entire hunt. It would help to equalize the troubles caused when the mob that hof's happens to be the one that you were dead or stuck fapping on. It would also make it easier to split those heart oils and other things. Just like all the other options if you don't like it don't use it.

As far as the bad apples, there is no team setting that will stop them from causing problems.

Should make a thread on this in the wishlist section. I like the idea a lot +rep

Uhm wait:
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/wishlist/77858-fair-loot-rule-team-hunts.html

And yes this is very hard on everybody in the team, especially noobs, but maybe that is why you as a general shouldn't let people hunt this way when you don't trust them. It wasn't even that he looted a big item, but he actually 'deserved' it. I'm wondering how the folks of the personal lootpool would see this.

 

[Majandi]

ok... if you wanna get technical about it... into our whole economic system....there are alot of people that don't do the most honorable things and the economy supports it... says it's ok....

That's my point. It's just a game and, like many people said, just 600$ worth of pixels

hahaha Maji is really dangerous to make a hunting team with you. From now I will call you "The lonly hunter"... hehehe

Stay away from me machupichu xD

# "I will put him in the KOS list ..." dudes ... seriously lol, who care ? Since EU isn't full pvp I doubt he will care about that but ..

# "I blacklisted him ..." dudes ... seriously lol, who care ? Since he probably actualy withdraw the $ and build an another avatar with his grand'ma name, like so many many dudes over here, over years ...
So, ok what he did wasn't gentleman. But he did it. No need to expense about it it will change nothing, its not even a crime. Take the knock and learn that nobody is trustful inside EU, just ur family and some old tarts who roam sometimes over here.

+1

Big font size is childish too lol

-1

 

[Tree-doctor]

Big font size is childish too lol

Yea fonts sux. Fixed that.