Landgrab accessibility

[Aqua Frost Star]

Right now in order to even attempt to join or participate in a land grab is near impossible for a "regular" player, to counter this I suggest landgrabs should go back to the way they used to be, all at the same time on the same day. this would make PVP more viable as an end goal and make it something to skill towards (possibly increasing revenue as the cycle for some players will increase) this in turn would make more competition and make pvp enjoyable like it used to be.

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

i can imagine this change would make a lot of people attend LG

 

[Baldurn]

I remember back in the old days (2005-2006 ish) when all happened at once. It was quite chaotic and fun and made you need to be tactical in what LA you were challenging. My soc at that time managed to get LA but in current format we would never have had a chance. Maybe I am just feeling nostalgic now but I would like to see this format again - I think then I might start pvping again for the first time in 2 decades

 

[Evey]

I remember back in the old days (2005-2006 ish) when all happened at once. It was quite chaotic and fun and made you need to be tactical in what LA you were challenging. My soc at that time managed to get LA but in current format we would never have had a chance. Maybe I am just feeling nostalgic now but I would like to see this format again - I think then I might start pvping again for the first time in 2 decades

I get the nostalgia part... but those days are gone. Things hae changed a lot in everything, avatars, gear...
LGs today cannot be under that format, hold for 12 consecutive hours, all at once. First of all, no society can hold today a claim marker for 12 hours. Not even us. Resetting is not hard at all. LGs could last forever because small teams could reset claims for months...

 

[Aqua Frost Star]

I get the nostalgia part... but those days are gone. Things hae changed a lot in everything, avatars, gear...
LGs today cannot be under that format, hold for 12 consecutive hours, all at once. First of all, no society can hold today a claim marker for 12 hours. Not even us. Resetting is not hard at all. LGs could last forever because small teams could reset claims for months...

maybe every land grab could happen once a week to counter this and you have to hold for only 30m-1h

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

maybe every land grab could happen once a week to counter this and you have to hold for only 30m-1h

or even better - make the LG run for 60 minutes, no more, no less. Whichever society has spent the longest time within the designated area (avatar*time) claims the LG.

at the end of the LG, have a scoreboard show up containing each participant, with their kills, assists, time inside dedicated grab zone and maybe some other interesting stats. Damage done, healing done, pills consumed, distance run? etc.

 

[True Juan]

LGs should be every 3 months, all lands at the same time, and 4 different activation times so that whole world is covered throughout the year.
Example:

Spring - 16:00
Summer- 22:00
Autumn - 04:00
Winter - 10:00

No need to hold 12 hours, make it like 2-3 max or which-ever Society holds it the most based on avatars in the area. (I dont know what is in MA's capabilities around this).

 

[Evey]

Idk what format is best.

All I know is that:
- people that want to get involved in LG today and have a taste, can do it np, just contact one of the sides; or, if cba but still curious, I have a big playlist on youtube with LG content, full LGs or just snippets...
- people that think the 12h LG would offer them a chance, because it did 20 years ago, but they did not PVP in 20 years, are in for a surprise. Much has changed.
- people that enjoy PVP will adapt quickly and will have fun no matter what, especially if some of the bugs are narrowed down and fixed
- suggesting for the sake of making it just worse for ppl enjoying it, with no intention of ever stepping into actual PVP, is lame but is to be expected since it's coming from aqua frost...

 

[Aqua Frost Star]

Idk what format is best.

All I know is that:
- people that want to get involved in LG today and have a taste, can do it np, just contact one of the sides; or, if cba but still curious, I have a big playlist on youtube with LG content, full LGs or just snippets...
- people that think the 12h LG would offer them a chance, because it did 20 years ago, but they did not PVP in 20 years, are in for a surprise. Much has changed.
- people that enjoy PVP will adapt quickly and will have fun no matter what, especially if some of the bugs are narrowed down and fixed
- suggesting for the sake of making it just worse for ppl enjoying it, with no intention of ever stepping into actual PVP, is lame but is to be expected since it's coming from aqua frost...

i pvp quite often and have more skills than you think but wasting my ped on something that is currently pointless to even try against is just... a waste of ped? D:
but then again you'd say that as you don't want any competition for LGs as it makes you lose ped, im making suggestions for the game, not for hardcore who seem to be the only ones against this change so far..

 

[Alainax]

i pvp quite often and have more skills than you think but wasting my ped on something that is currently pointless to even try against is just... a waste of ped? D:
but then again you'd say that as you don't want any competition for LGs as it makes you lose ped, im making suggestions for the game, not for hardcore who seem to be the only ones against this change so far..

Just because something is difficult doesnt mean its impossible. There should always be a reason to want to skill up, do better and be better in the game. If someone finds pvp enjoyable, and wants to invest the time and effort into becoming a good pkr, there is nothing stopping them.

I dont think we should try to make everything in the game easier, there has to be high end content too, and not everyone agrees that everyone should be given a participation medal for showing up.

I too would love to win a gold in olympic dressage, I have neither the skill nor the money to afford that type of horse. Instead of crying that this isnt fair, the rules and format should be changed to suit me, I compete at a level I can, whilst being inspired to keep training.

 

[Contract CH Hunter]

Perhaps having divided LG:s for certain lvl players or society's in own brackets would allow more people to compete and climb up said brackets overtime and become more invested in pvp?

Add to that pvp rankings in Hall of fame etc.

This is coming from new player perspective. Many games have pvp/honor tiers to balance out playerbase skills and gears.

To me this would seem "fair".

Mind you i have no spoon in this.

I am yet to find reason to participate in pvp or LG.

But if the goal is to get more people excited and invested in this aspect of the game. Rework and balancing are needed.

 

[Theocles]

Getting into PvP is actually pretty easy.. whether you want to join for landgrabs all you have to do is pick a side, or don’t and just show up and shoot everyone. It ultimately comes down to what are your goals and what level of investment time wise and ped wise are you willing to make.

Part of the fun in PvP is the climb, and putting in the effort to succeed even if you fail 99 times before that. Working for the achievement is what makes it more rewarding.

I do think landgrab needs some attention, but I think having them all at the same time would take away a lot of interest, especially since whatever time slot the landgrab would all fall on might prevent a good portion of people from being able to attend by default.

 

[Aqua Frost Star]

Getting into PvP is actually pretty easy.. whether you want to join for landgrabs all you have to do is pick a side, or don’t and just show up and shoot everyone. It ultimately comes down to what are your goals and what level of investment time wise and ped wise are you willing to make.

Part of the fun in PvP is the climb, and putting in the effort to succeed even if you fail 99 times before that. Working for the achievement is what makes it more rewarding.

I do think landgrab needs some attention, but I think having them all at the same time would take away a lot of interest, especially since whatever time slot the landgrab would all fall on might prevent a good portion of people from being able to attend by default.

Like seen in another post on here about the recent changes to land grab. it seems like the "good portion of people" only come to make the current holder of LG's spend PED. ultimately not fighting for it. So why would making it MORE accessible to players make LESS people turn up to ACTUALLY fight, which is what you wanted?

 

[Baldurn]

I get the nostalgia part... but those days are gone. Things hae changed a lot in everything, avatars, gear...
LGs today cannot be under that format, hold for 12 consecutive hours, all at once. First of all, no society can hold today a claim marker for 12 hours. Not even us. Resetting is not hard at all. LGs could last forever because small teams could reset claims for months...

Yeah 12 hour could definitely be reduced by a lot in that case - that part was quite painful

Edit: What I miss is the feeling in the overall game that everyone had a shot (even though it of course was not the case). I remember as a complete noob in 2004 that me and some friends were skilling like crazy to meet the skill requirement to enter LG. We went for one of the less sought after LA's and hold it for a few minutes before a bigger (albeit not top 10) soc took it from us. It was extremely exciting and I think a good number of the playerbase was somehow involved in the event

 

[True Juan]

What is clear is that if 1 Society can hold all lands for several years the system doesnt work. It makes people not even want to participate.

Also if done like I suggested in 3 month intervals, MA could actually do at least a minimum and always ADVERTISE the event happening that day/week.

There must be more incentives to be in this game to skill up but there must be a chance, even a small one.

If done all at same time Hardcore would probably still grab 70% of lands, but gives the others a chance and some incentive to skill up to possibly try and grab more next time.

Throw the little guys a bone after years of feasting

 

[Evey]

there must be a chance, even a small one

Exactly that's what people said abut competitive mayhems, that everyone should be a chance and being competitive is not equal rights and everyone should get a mayhem item from the vendor ... and here we are, asking again for equal chances because right now it seems too hard..

And btw, I'm all up for more incentives, better rewards, more competition

 

[DaisyColdFinger]

What is clear is that if 1 Society can hold all lands for several years the system doesnt work. It makes people not even want to participate.

Not their fault

There must be more incentives to be in this game to skill up but there must be a chance, even a small one.

The current format is too rigid, like the old timer line infantry battles. Not to my taste as i prefer (ed) a more open ended gorilla warfare style.

Throw the little guys a bone after years of feasting

Never accept a free win !

 

[deathception]

#1 reason people dont join LG is costs and i dont mean gear but decay, anyone above 400 hp with armor will cost 5-10ped to kill and can be up to 50 ped if they have medistims especially ubers, what should be fixed is not the format but the cost to shoot or kill. ive seen ppl kill with L weapons but at the end at what cost 10-50 ped? per kill. maybe MA should, figure a decay compensation before we enter a large scale LG format is introduced. The only winner will be MA if we spend even greater , if you add all LG cost for the year i bet that could have been used to buy a LA or two, maybe the cost to kill/ shoot needs to be rethinked, especially with bugged rockets that dont do damage.

 

[True Juan]

Exactly that's what people said abut competitive mayhems, that everyone should be a chance and being competitive is not equal rights and everyone should get a mayhem item from the vendor ... and here we are, asking again for equal chances because right now it seems too hard..

And btw, I'm all up for more incentives, better rewards, more competition

I never liked the new format. Old format was ok for majority. Yes again the change made more money for MA but with the way it was managed overall I think it ended up being terrible.

On the forum there are always some suggestions that have logic and some are outright stupid. In the end, MA is the one that decides who it listens to.

Im not saying the best players that invest time and gear shouldnt have the best outcome, and as I posted Im guessing you guys would still grab 70% but if the system lets 1 society control the all LGs for years, you must admit its not a good system.

Im saying there should just be at least a little more chance for real competition where 1-3 others socs can have a chance at the less favorable LAs.

 

[Contract CH Hunter]

How many LG:s there is? +10?

I am not asking everybody to be equal in varied gears and in same "instances" but rather have LG:s themself acting as brackets from 0-10lvl, 10-20lvl, 20-30lvl, 30-40lvl, 40-50lvl, and +100lvl ones being reseved top dogs much like old mayhem format? People liked that?

Said brackets could be divided by least to highest payout based.

This could create actual ladder to climb in pvp from bracket to bracket overtime.

IF this does not sound fair and good for both small players as "carrot" to compete/grow and older players to fight their equals and display their skills in said brackets i dont know what is expected outcome here?

Gradual cost increase.

Happy hunting!

 

[Aqua Frost Star]

How many LG:s there is? +10?

I am not asking everybody to be equal in varied gears and in same "instances" but rather have LG:s themself acting as brackets from 0-10lvl, 10-20lvl, 20-30lvl, 30-40lvl, 40-50lvl, and +100lvl ones being reseved top dogs much like old mayhem format? People liked that, i'v heard?

Said brackets could be divided by least to highest payout based.

This could create actual ladder to climb in pvp from bracket to bracket overtime.

IF this does not sound fair and good for both small players as "carrot" to compete/grow and older players to fight their equals and display their skills in said brackets i dont know what is expected outcome here?

Gradual cost increase.

Happy hunting!

as extra carrot new mobs should be added to each land area with unique codex on each, unique items and incentive to hunt like a mission chain or something.

 

[cc.]

Right now in order to even attempt to join or participate in a land grab is near impossible for a "regular" player, to counter this I suggest landgrabs should go back to the way they used to be, all at the same time on the same day. this would make PVP more viable as an end goal and make it something to skill towards (possibly increasing revenue as the cycle for some players will increase) this in turn would make more competition and make pvp enjoyable like it used to be.

You werent around then, your account here is 2016 and I dont remember you from those days. LG was waaaay more exclusive in those days as if you didnt have the uber gear there was no L alternative to level the playing field. Was so much fun for those of us that spent on our avas to take part seriously but the vast majority complained the same way they do now.

Im recently back from a break and been to maybe 10 LGs in the last 2 months and they are pretty fun, Hardcore on 2 occasions got reset so they arent just sitting around and getting the lands for free. Havent seen you at any of them so maybe show up and see whats what.

You got to "waste" ped to have a chance, theres no free lunch and if more people participated it would be easy to shake things up, so shake of your apathy and get stuck in.

 

[cc.]

as extra carrot new mobs should be added to each land area with unique codex on each, unique items and incentive to hunt like a mission chain or something.

this is a great idea, the land arent worth much except Takuta

 

[Aqua Frost Star]

You werent around then, your account here is 2016 and I dont remember you from those days. LG was waaaay more exclusive in those days as if you didnt have the uber gear there was no L alternative to level the playing field. Was so much fun for those of us that spent on our avas to take part seriously but the vast majority complained the same way they do now.

Im recently back from a break and been to maybe 10 LGs in the last 2 months and they are pretty fun, Hardcore on 2 occasions got reset so they arent just sitting around and getting the lands for free. Havent seen you at any of them so maybe show up and see whats what.

You got to "waste" ped to have a chance, theres no free lunch and if more people participated it would be easy to shake things up, so shake of your apathy and get stuck in.

i know many people and of those people at least 3 participate in landgrabs nowadays, also been around watching my dad play who used to be in CK coat killers back in the day and his friend who was in tax collectors but both now no longer play. The reason i don't participate is that there is 0 reason to and if my suggestions were to take place, i would take part in LG's as would 20+ others according to the votes on my thread.

 

[OHYZD]

Couldn't it be done in a tournament format? At the World Championship, not only the best team takes everything. LA could be chosen according to their own choice according to location, where the best would have an advantage. Or the winners could have 2 LAs. It could be a good event.
I also think it's not good for one OP to take everything. It could be a very popular event, a fight for players, maybe some betting etc. :-D
Maybe the players could organize it themselves - if the spirit is truly sporting and not greedy.

 

[cc.]

Couldn't it be done in a tournament format? At the World Championship, not only the best team takes everything. LA could be chosen according to their own choice according to location, where the best would have an advantage. Or the winners could have 2 LAs. It could be a good event.
I also think it's not good for one OP to take everything. It could be a very popular event, a fight for players, maybe some betting etc. :-D
Maybe the players could organize it themselves - if the spirit is truly sporting and not greedy.

Look up World of Firepower here on forum, it was a player run tournament every year and was awesome. Thats what you're describing and I'd love to see it revived

 

[WhiningSkeptic]

Is it even profitable to hold land? No one is hunting taxed anno 25 no?

 

[WhiningSkeptic]

Look up World of Firepower here on forum, it was a player run tournament every year and was awesome. Thats what you're describing and I'd love to see it revived

I'd be willing to almost donate my house as a prize if this got revived. I won't, it is too expensive but it sounds good to write that knowing it will never happen

 

[OHYZD]

Look up World of Firepower here on forum, it was a player run tournament every year and was awesome. Thats what you're describing and I'd love to see it revived

That looks more like a PVE tournament - I didn't play EU at the time, so I just found it now. But it seems like there was interest in that. I meant it purely as a change for LG.

 

[lethal]

If the blight chips had better healing decrease like 70ish percent, then having that could make a lot more targets potentially kill-able in landgrabs. The cryo chips could be a good way to force people to use ranged at times too. Not going to make it easy to take out multiple 500+ health players by any means, but it could add some strategies to landgrabs and involve less skilled players more by giving them jobs like being designated de-buff players. Would also decrease the "heal for way cheaper than someone will pay to deal damage" strategy some.