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originally this was posted over at https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...-in-trade-within-entropia.282583/post-3768156 but moved it here and just linked from there since it seems more logical to do so...
This has been something going on since the beginning. Yes, it's not fair, and yes they do affect the economy in a lot of ways, but there's nothing you or I can do about it.
History lesson time...
www.entropiaplanets.com
www.planetcalypsoforum.com
www.planetcalypsoforum.com
https://web.archive.org/web/2013040...te-who-can-cannot-participate-what-level.html
www.planetcalypsoforum.com
Quote from Kim from way back:
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Hello, these are some good questions and I will do my best to answer them.
1)
-Do you have to pay for your PED yourselves even though you can't withdraw it? Does it come out of your pay-cheque?No, we are given PEDs now and then, these PEDs come from estates and motherships etc that have been sold through the auction.
-Do you have a set 'allowance' per week/month/etc that is automatically deposited into the account based on what MA considers the average deposit?Yes its about 500 to 1000 PED per month.
-What happens when you run out of PED (if you do)? Do you grab a vse-mk1 and sweat to get the full 'eco' experience?I have never gathered sweat.
-Some mobs are more profitable than others (in terms of markup at least) and by working at Mindark, the staff surely know this. Do you hunt/mine/craft only things that would be 'smart', or do you 'play stupid' on purpose?Well all we know is when and which items are introduced but we never go after those items intentionally once they are released. In terms of markup and deciding what to hunt I often just use Entropedia, I like liver and pancreas oil
2)
Another part of 'The Entropian Experience' is grinding. It is not easy to reach the higher levels - and as the first and second quotes above show, at least Kim reached his levels the way the rest of us have had to.
What I'd like to know is if you routinely limit yourself (in terms of gear/skills/etc and maybe even knowledge) to get a peak into what the newer players might be experiencing (having to hunt sabakuma/punies for hours on end without armour or in something like pixie to just max the opalo).
-Do you also try and hunt above your level to experience what most mid-level players try to do?I can only speak for myself but I usually do all kinds of things such as grind my favourite mobs, iron challenges, pvp and mining. I don't do crafting though, never liked it. I play on my spare time because I enjoy it and I do what I feel like doing.
3)
Since as far as I know, your play avatars are on the production server, you must have to interact with other participants. Whether it be trading, teaming, hiring a service, etc - PED will probably change hands. Your actions will directly or indirectly influence the economy.
Are there any policies in place to make sure that MA staff do not place preference on certain avatars - allowing them to have an indirect edge or free ride (say paying 200 PED for a fapping service while the normal rate is 50 PED, etc).I don't think there are any specific rules but generally speaking we are to play as regular avatars. We are obviously prohibited from just giving cash to other avatars for them to cash out.. Thats embezzlement and its illegal.
-Also, say you loot an uber item (modfap, etc) and you don't plan on using it. Do you have to tt it? Do you have to toss it on auction? What if the item was looted in team - how would you go about splitting it?We play like regular avatars, its up to the employee in question to make that determination
What's your favourite mob? Would you rather have more stable loot or bigger hofs - with a lower return on every day activities? Do you intentionally try to do things the game doesn't intend (in order to find the bugs/exploits to squish them of course)?My favourite mob is probably the Gokibusagi, I really like the sounds it makes when I fill it with lead. I also like the Allophyl and the Pop Dragon.
And yes I do try to find bugs and exploits whenever I can.
Hope you were happy with the answers, cheers!
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quote from Neverdie below... (link now dead but there's always internet archive...
http://www.neverdie.com/neverdie-studio-news/6817-may-20011-q.html
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Excerpt from an email that I received from Rafael Espinosa de los Monteros Iglesias, CEO of Pyxel Arts, on June 8, 2011: (they were making a planet and becoming a planet partner at the time but that fell through and they stopped)
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http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...ust-and-game&p=2735112&viewfull=1#post2735112
Internet Archive Link
http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...ction-RT-LAs&p=2795811&viewfull=1#post2795811
Description/Summary:
Internet Archive Link
Planetcalypsoforum thread about DA Manager using stall deeds to trade things in a secretive manner using deeds that should never have been traded
Internet Archive Link
============
In summary, YES, Mindark and Planet partners have official avatars, secret avatars, and undercover avatars. Yes, they do determine what loots when to a degree since they set up the loot tables for Mindark, and know which vu they will take place in. Yes, their 'partners' and employees do similar. Yes, some folks like who runs DME currently have had up to 5 or so avatars in the past, at least one of which worked as a mentor for someone through graduation. Yes, neverdie does global from time to time. Yes, Mindark claims it's all being watched closely but we all know how closely Mianrk watches everything and keeps it all safe from bugs and exploits. Yes, some avatars run by PPs get a 'ped salary' of over 1k per month and use it however the hell they want. It does affect the economy. Yes, Toulan/Monria devs have a mothership that runs free transport for those that started on their planet/moon so that ruins the mothership business for some other ship owners, etc. List goes on and on. Deal with it or don't. It's your choice if you want to deposit or quit now forevermore. Yes, it is possible DA Manager did something he shouldn't have and got reprimanded for it, but only because the community pointed it out. There's probably a lot of similar things going on the community has not found out about yet, and may never...
Yes, if mods want to delete this, go ahead... I suspect you will lock the thread at the least since you don't want the truth to be seen by all sometimes.... or so it seems from time to time. Many of the links above are links to forum threads on this forum. Others are to community run websites.... most of this stuff is stuff others revealed to the community. I just collected the links to put the puzzle pieces together like others do from time to time. You can't make this stuff up even if you tried...
This has been something going on since the beginning. Yes, it's not fair, and yes they do affect the economy in a lot of ways, but there's nothing you or I can do about it.
History lesson time...
They walk amongst us...
Editor's note: This discussion originally has been started by @Acronoid but we decided that the info @MindStar9 contributed in post #5 is worth being...
www.entropiaplanets.com
Island Girl in auction... again
Click to enlarge I take it this is Neverdie using the late Island girl's account again and not some sick joke.
MA employee avatar name list
I urge MA to list avatar names of MA employees, who play EU on live servers! - start showing some transparency in spirit with your Enhanced Communication™ And Kim|Calypso, its not enhanced communication when you only comment on things you are comfortable with, and ignore the ones you...
https://web.archive.org/web/2013040...te-who-can-cannot-participate-what-level.html
MA employee avatar name list
I urge MA to list avatar names of MA employees, who play EU on live servers! - start showing some transparency in spirit with your Enhanced Communication™ And Kim|Calypso, its not enhanced communication when you only comment on things you are comfortable with, and ignore the ones you...
Quote from Kim from way back:
-------------------------------------
Hello, these are some good questions and I will do my best to answer them.
1)
-Do you have to pay for your PED yourselves even though you can't withdraw it? Does it come out of your pay-cheque?No, we are given PEDs now and then, these PEDs come from estates and motherships etc that have been sold through the auction.
-Do you have a set 'allowance' per week/month/etc that is automatically deposited into the account based on what MA considers the average deposit?Yes its about 500 to 1000 PED per month.
-What happens when you run out of PED (if you do)? Do you grab a vse-mk1 and sweat to get the full 'eco' experience?I have never gathered sweat.
-Some mobs are more profitable than others (in terms of markup at least) and by working at Mindark, the staff surely know this. Do you hunt/mine/craft only things that would be 'smart', or do you 'play stupid' on purpose?Well all we know is when and which items are introduced but we never go after those items intentionally once they are released. In terms of markup and deciding what to hunt I often just use Entropedia, I like liver and pancreas oil
2)
Another part of 'The Entropian Experience' is grinding. It is not easy to reach the higher levels - and as the first and second quotes above show, at least Kim reached his levels the way the rest of us have had to.
What I'd like to know is if you routinely limit yourself (in terms of gear/skills/etc and maybe even knowledge) to get a peak into what the newer players might be experiencing (having to hunt sabakuma/punies for hours on end without armour or in something like pixie to just max the opalo).
-Do you also try and hunt above your level to experience what most mid-level players try to do?I can only speak for myself but I usually do all kinds of things such as grind my favourite mobs, iron challenges, pvp and mining. I don't do crafting though, never liked it. I play on my spare time because I enjoy it and I do what I feel like doing.
3)
Since as far as I know, your play avatars are on the production server, you must have to interact with other participants. Whether it be trading, teaming, hiring a service, etc - PED will probably change hands. Your actions will directly or indirectly influence the economy.
Are there any policies in place to make sure that MA staff do not place preference on certain avatars - allowing them to have an indirect edge or free ride (say paying 200 PED for a fapping service while the normal rate is 50 PED, etc).I don't think there are any specific rules but generally speaking we are to play as regular avatars. We are obviously prohibited from just giving cash to other avatars for them to cash out.. Thats embezzlement and its illegal.
-Also, say you loot an uber item (modfap, etc) and you don't plan on using it. Do you have to tt it? Do you have to toss it on auction? What if the item was looted in team - how would you go about splitting it?We play like regular avatars, its up to the employee in question to make that determination
What's your favourite mob? Would you rather have more stable loot or bigger hofs - with a lower return on every day activities? Do you intentionally try to do things the game doesn't intend (in order to find the bugs/exploits to squish them of course)?My favourite mob is probably the Gokibusagi, I really like the sounds it makes when I fill it with lead. I also like the Allophyl and the Pop Dragon.
And yes I do try to find bugs and exploits whenever I can.
Hope you were happy with the answers, cheers!
==========
quote from Neverdie below... (link now dead but there's always internet archive...
http://www.neverdie.com/neverdie-studio-news/6817-may-20011-q.html
===========
Excerpt from an email that I received from Rafael Espinosa de los Monteros Iglesias, CEO of Pyxel Arts, on June 8, 2011: (they were making a planet and becoming a planet partner at the time but that fell through and they stopped)
=-==========
http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...ust-and-game&p=2735112&viewfull=1#post2735112
Internet Archive Link
http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/f...ction-RT-LAs&p=2795811&viewfull=1#post2795811
Description/Summary:
Internet Archive Link
Planetcalypsoforum thread about DA Manager using stall deeds to trade things in a secretive manner using deeds that should never have been traded
Internet Archive Link
============
In summary, YES, Mindark and Planet partners have official avatars, secret avatars, and undercover avatars. Yes, they do determine what loots when to a degree since they set up the loot tables for Mindark, and know which vu they will take place in. Yes, their 'partners' and employees do similar. Yes, some folks like who runs DME currently have had up to 5 or so avatars in the past, at least one of which worked as a mentor for someone through graduation. Yes, neverdie does global from time to time. Yes, Mindark claims it's all being watched closely but we all know how closely Mianrk watches everything and keeps it all safe from bugs and exploits. Yes, some avatars run by PPs get a 'ped salary' of over 1k per month and use it however the hell they want. It does affect the economy. Yes, Toulan/Monria devs have a mothership that runs free transport for those that started on their planet/moon so that ruins the mothership business for some other ship owners, etc. List goes on and on. Deal with it or don't. It's your choice if you want to deposit or quit now forevermore. Yes, it is possible DA Manager did something he shouldn't have and got reprimanded for it, but only because the community pointed it out. There's probably a lot of similar things going on the community has not found out about yet, and may never...
Yes, if mods want to delete this, go ahead... I suspect you will lock the thread at the least since you don't want the truth to be seen by all sometimes.... or so it seems from time to time. Many of the links above are links to forum threads on this forum. Others are to community run websites.... most of this stuff is stuff others revealed to the community. I just collected the links to put the puzzle pieces together like others do from time to time. You can't make this stuff up even if you tried...
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This topic comes up 2-3 times a year but it never leads to anything. No one clearly knows what they do beyond theories. I guess only one fact can be agreed upon, they very slightly increase skillgain due to the added decay.
