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Loot - Sneak Peek from MA Balancing team

I would suggest removing all tt ammo from the loot.
Since they do not loot in large amounts.

Leaving only explosive projectiles in, they can replace the tt ammo.
At the rate I see them in my loot now, it will take a while to get a decent amount. ;)
 
I think i get it.


the higher you get your item in teir value, the more fragments you get.

thus the less no loots you get.

But we all leveling our items so we all start at seeing no loot.

but as we teir up we will see less no loots.
 
Lorespade said:
I think i get it.


the higher you get your item in teir value, the more fragments you get.

thus the less no loots you get.

But we all leveling our items so we all start at seeing no loot.

but as we teir up we will see less no loots.
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Marco never related tier level of the weapon to loots???

Prior to the update I was doing ok on longtooth now with the ammo nerf I am screwed. I might get 10k ammo drop think cool nice hit as that used to be worth 10ped, now it is 1 ped :( Why not adjust the TT to match the loot like it used to be, if I get 10ped TT it is 100k ammo now right? Why is it not this way now? I don't think I had an ammo drop over .60PEC!!!

This needs to get fixed now I will be watching forums for info.
 
Marco|FPC said:
Right now the loots are temporarily rebalanced ...
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Your Version Updates and so called loot balancing is always a great boost for ESI markups ;)
 
TT loot return so far seems comparable to me in VU 10.6 to how it was in 10.5 (ie one of 4 categories: win some, break even, lose some, lose quite a lot)

I still get no loots but I see how some of the no loots have been altered into a 0.001 pec blue blazer "sticker". That's an improvement.

I'm going to collect 1000 of them :)
 
I dont know how much of what drops.
I dont know what it is used for.

I know this.
Zero tt items with only markup value is a GREAT IDEA.

We need less MA value/TT and more PLAYER VALUE.
It moves MA out of the way and opens a real market driven system.

TT is like a dictatorship
Markup is like a free market.

If its crap then throw it- out or use it to improve something.
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I hope they open up other areas of the game too.

Everything should have a zero TT and only player markup.

LESS MA AND MORE PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET.

It looks bad at first but its a good step.
You all sound like old cronies trying to protect and old way of life that is almost dead anyhow.
They are trying to save Entropia by handing it over to you.
Loot looks bad and yes you cant TT it but give it time it could bring back the player base and you will be able to sell again instead of TT everything as it is now.

Good job. On the step to a free market.

You should be selling anyhow instead of TT.
Winners get mark up.

buy fruit-its a good investment for January. =free tip.
 
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Gramuly said:
I dont know how much of what drops.
I dont know what it is used for.

I know this.
Zero tt items with only markup value is a GREAT IDEA.

We need less MA value/TT and more PLAYER VALUE.
It moves MA out of the way and opens a real market driven system.

TT is like a dictatorship
Markup is like a free market.

If its crap then throw it- out or use it to tier up.
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I hope they open up other areas of the game too.
Say player invented items.
Player built dwellings.
Player government.
Everything should have a zero TT and only player markup.

LESS MA AND MORE PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET.

its looks bad at first but its a good step.
You all sound like old cronies trying to protect and old way of life that is almost dead anyhow.
They are trying to save Entropia by handing it over to you.
Loot looks bad and yes you cant TT it but give it time it could bring back the player base and you will be able to sell again instead of TT everything as it is now.

Good job. On the step to a free market.
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I support the above, not all of it, but a good deal of it :D
 
Gramuly said:
I dont know how much of what drops.
I dont know what it is used for.

I know this.
Zero tt items with only markup value is a GREAT IDEA.

We need less MA value/TT and more PLAYER VALUE.
It moves MA out of the way and opens a real market driven system.

TT is like a dictatorship
Markup is like a free market.

If its crap then throw it- out or use it to tier up.
--------------------------------------------------------

I hope they open up other areas of the game too.
Say player invented items.
Player built dwellings.
Player government.
Everything should have a zero TT and only player markup.

LESS MA AND MORE PLAYER DRIVEN MARKET.

its looks bad at first but its a good step.
You all sound like old cronies trying to protect and old way of life that is almost dead anyhow.
They are trying to save Entropia by handing it over to you.
Loot looks bad and yes you cant TT it but give it time it could bring back the player base and you will be able to sell again instead of TT everything as it is now.

Good job. On the step to a free market.
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This may work in some other MMOs you pay your 15 bucks a month and can play to death. But here we got a real cash economy; if you hunt for $1000 bucks a day and don't get back anything this is death for EU; who should cover those costs ?
 
Mariko Ninja said:
I would suggest removing all tt ammo from the loot.
Since they do not loot in large amounts.

Leaving only explosive projectiles in, they can replace the tt ammo.
At the rate I see them in my loot now, it will take a while to get a decent amount. ;)
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Agree with this statement.
 
Finally something new and exciting. No loots with actually some loot.:yay:

Marco: where is my boorum suit I want one :laugh:
 
Marco|FPC said:
Right now the loots are temporarily rebalanced so more enhancer parts and less ammo stacks are dropped (loot PED value remains though). They say this will only be in effect for a few days though, to kickstart the enhancer market, and then it will be restored.

Also, when you before this VU were to get a No Loot message, you now may find fragments instead. Fragments are like vibrant sweat - items with a very low TT value but they have a market value as they are used in different activities. This is a new layer to the economy to facilitate more loot opportunities and less No Loot messages.
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Temporarily rebalanced so more enhancer parts and less ammo stacks are droppded (loot PED value remains)..

Ok, fair enough with the enhancers dropping, but I think your programmers are on drugs, or they are blind or stupid, or your full of shit.. or all of the above.

Please explain how before this VU, the PED value of loot was quite acceptable, and the value of ammo looted was the same.. so now we spend the same amount of ped/ammo to kill a mob, only to loot .87 pec of ammo instead of 8.7 ped ? How long do we keep paying for your company's "innocent fu ckups" until its restored... ohh wait it doesnt cost you anything, so let us poor arses keep on wasting peds to fill your cups to overflowing..

Every item looted so far has been same ped value, except AMMO.. which has been a large % of loots that do not global.

My eyes are wide open to these shananigans , why don't you just plainly post "We want your money, just give us your bank accounts" to make it less stressful

Like an old buddy Duke Nukem used to say

"Blow it out your Ass!"

Rick

BTW.. I really dont give 2 flying f ucks if I am banned from EU.. or EF or whatever.. its all very relative to me, all $50,000 (total time, money,effort) I "invested" into my avatar will never be recycled back to me anyway... So you can just keep it.
 
The funny things is , usual , its people with good UL weapon who got money ... so its them who would have "pay" for those fragment that are in loot the hard price... but they will not since they need to burn weapon to upgrade...
so , the fragment that are in loot and soposed to make hunter not lose hell will worse close to nothing...


I hope MA will fix some mess here and there in that system...

Remouving amo and replace them sometime with a worthless crap , will not help much player to stay...
 
Etopia said:
The funny things is , usual , its people with good UL weapon who got money ... so its them who would have "pay" for those fragment that are in loot the hard price... but they will not since they need to burn weapon to upgrade...
so , the fragment that are in loot and soposed to make hunter not lose hell will worse close to nothing...


I hope MA will fix some mess here and there in that system...

Remouving amo and replace them sometime with a worthless crap , will not help much player to stay...
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That is just not true, it is your perspective..
if fragments costs next to nothing it will be very wise to tier up your weapon and use it since it will enhanche your efficiency (if the fragments indeed costs next to nothing)

So that fact crushes your insights
 
Kiriku Surgun said:
That is just not true, it is your perspective..
if fragments costs next to nothing it will be very wise to tier up your weapon and use it since it will enhanche your efficiency (if the fragments indeed costs next to nothing)

So that fact crushes your insights
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You know you need more than fragments right?
You know you can potentially lose an item equal in markup to the item you're trying to upgrade, right?
For someone talking as if you're an authority, you make some pretty dumbass statements.
 
Kiriku Surgun said:
That is just not true, it is your perspective..
if fragments costs next to nothing it will be very wise to tier up your weapon and use it since it will enhanche your efficiency (if the fragments indeed costs next to nothing)

So that fact crushes your insights
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if they cost next to nothing , who will pay the amo missing in your loot ?
MA did reduce the TTvalue of loot and replaced it with fragment (like they did with ESI)...
But if those fragment are very cheap , then your cost to hunt go up...

kalanen said:
Apparently this "game" is made for investors instead of gamers. :(
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not exactly , since investor did buy expensive item and they will not upgrade them...
I think MA did make some mistake with those tier and they will update that mess....
 
TheGreatest said:
You know you need more than fragments right?
You know you can potentially lose an item equal in markup to the item you're trying to upgrade, right?
For someone talking as if you're an authority, you make some pretty dumbass statements.
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yes you can loose all money and esates in a virtual world easely did you know? It is a bubble, as Las Vegas is a bubble as well.. Hope you can see that
Are you willing to take a the risk? yes? Then you also risk loosing, and you risk winning..
you want something you cant affort.. you want 100% succes rate for the cost of 0, well wake up


Etopia said:
if they cost next to nothing , who will pay the amo missing in your loot ?
MA did reduce the TTvalue of loot and replaced it with fragment (like they did with ESI)...
But if those fragment are very cheap , then your cost to hunt go up...
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I was quoting you about the prices since you told it was worthless..

Etopia said:
Remouving amo and replace them sometime with a worthless crap , will not help much player to stay...
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as for Mind Ark, I do not know whether they replaced the loot, they say TT vallue remains the same though and I can only judge on the fact of that statement and the fact that loot sucks anyways..
 
Kiriku Surgun said:
if fragments costs next to nothing it will be very wise to tier up your weapon and use it since it will enhanche your efficiency (if the fragments indeed costs next to nothing)

So that fact crushes your insights
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No crushing facts there.


If fragments cost next to nothing what about the other components? What about the spare item that you need to use also.
Fragments are only a small part of the equation.

And how will any enhancer "enhanche your efficiency"?

They may enhance your range or your DPS but they will be less efficient than an (L) melee weapon with very high MU.
 
Nobody corrected me on this, so i'll just have to correct myself

jaywalker said:
And now we can't TT the ammo anymore either, huh? not unless we have the astonishing good luck to loot a multiple of 100.

Please tell me this isn't true

jay
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You can just TT a stack of ammo, as before. But the TT rounds the value down to the nearest whole pec, so you effectively donate a fraction of a pec to FPC, unless you want to faff around dividing the stack (your choice)

So, it's not quite as bad as i thought. But dammit, these huge stacks of ammo are ridiculous. I don't like to have to deal in astronomical numbers. Puts me off my game :(

jay
 
jaywalker said:
Nobody corrected me on this, so i'll just have to correct myself




You can just TT a stack of ammo, as before. But the TT rounds the value down to the nearest whole pec, so you effectively donate a fraction of a pec to FPC, unless you want to faff around dividing the stack (your choice)

So, it's not quite as bad as i thought. But dammit, these huge stacks of ammo are ridiculous. I don't like to have to deal in astronomical numbers. Puts me off my game :(

jay
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Actually your Ped card goes down to thousands of a pec, it just displays down to the nearest pec.


But even if it didnt - have you worked out what 1 Pec is in real money? It's less than $0.01....

No one who has a PC able to play this, is that poor. ;)
 
Kiriku Surgun said:
yes you can loose all money and esates in a virtual world easely did you know? It is a bubble, as Las Vegas is a bubble as well.. Hope you can see that
Are you willing to take a the risk? yes? Then you also risk loosing, and you risk winning..
you want something you cant affort.. you want 100% succes rate for the cost of 0, well wake up
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What are you raving about? I don't understand how anything you just said, has anything to do, with anything.
Do you even play EU?
 
Marco... next time something like this gets created... post a manual with it. Make it understandable. I think leaving something like this up to the player base to figure out is a bad idea... Especially when you go out for a hunt that could typically break even before and now I am sitting with half tt value of what I would normally get and looking at a bunch of parts that don't mean shit to me. I am on vacation from EU for awhile due to the salty taste left in my mouth.

Oh for the record... this was the worst damn time to deploy it... Right before Merry Mayhem?? WTF where you thinking? after the return on loot I got last night there is NO WAY IN HELL I AM GOING TO TRY MERRY MAYHEM!

Thanks for screwing with my Holiday fun.
 
Aren't we all running a bit too fast ahead of the fact's ? :D

Yes no loot might have been replaced by cheap items, that you can sell in
the end for markup. But an items, even cheap, is better then absolute nothing, right ? For me on most hunts, other loots make up for the no looters,
I think that will remain the same. ;)

Yes ammo amounts are confusing atm, however end result of an hunt is
what matters to me. And as loot has been mostly tt food for me the past
year, no real change for me. ;)

I do not allways agree with Mindark's changes.
But I'm waiting to see where this one is heading, before I blow up. :D

.
 
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TheGreatest said:
What are you raving about? I don't understand how anything you just said, has anything to do, with anything.
Do you even play EU?
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It is in response of this:

TheGreatest said:
You know you can potentially lose an item equal in markup to the item you're trying to upgrade, right?
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you make it look like you are absolutely stunned by the fact that you could loose an item.. yikes the risks... If you did not mean that then please make yourself more clear because I cannot figure anything other than that from your message.. I hate commmunication errors they happen much to often on forums due to interpetation, tone of voice and language barriers..

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aardman said:
If fragments cost next to nothing what about the other components? What about the spare item that you need to use also.
Fragments are only a small part of the equation.

And how will any enhancer "enhanche your efficiency"?

They may enhance your range or your DPS but they will be less efficient than an (L) melee weapon with very high MU.
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Yeah I geuss you have a very valid point there. about the total price of all components together, I was however stating Etopia who said it was worthless crap, in that scenario I think it is very likely that it will be used.

The enhancer might enhance the efficiency also by the means of 'worthless crap' if you have for example less decay on your weapon or more DPS at same efficiency except for a minor decay of the worthless crap. Than I forsee more efficiency in gameplay and competativity for example in events.

So I do not say it is worthless, it is only a scenario scetched by Etopia with my own vision projected on that. Without taking other componets in consideration so that is a fail.

If it is worthless it is not good or the hunters who get em, if it costs too much the tier system will fail because the use is to costly..
I think it is a bit sad that the whole community goes hardcore over such gamemechanic. The numbers need to stabilize in drop rates and we do not even know what it all does and already are judging about epic failluire..

The balacing, that is an aepic faillure, but still people play, so how bad is it really?
 
Wow, i REALLY hope i'm wrong on this, but it seems to me MA just tried to pass on more costs onto consumers... These things have 0 tt, as some people said u'll be able to sell them to supplement ur income... but that markup is coming from OTHER players... meaning this ammo screw over is making MA save money by making MORE of ur income from other player and trading... This also forces people who previously hated to trade and deal with other people on a regular basis to now have to to recover losses. Mindark, u really are spitting in our faces right now, and if i was a planet partner i would be very afraid of ur tactics. You can't pass on the cost of the new tier system loots onto casual hunters who don't even intend on using it. Never mind how ridiculous the costs and risks are to this so called system.

I had to take a break for a little while and had planned to come back this weekend, but this is one hell of a shitty welcome back surprise.


I am honestly starting to think Mindark despises us and looks at us as degenerate gamblers or something. You are starting to really make your customers upset, wake up now please.
 
Marco|FPC said:
Right now the loots are temporarily rebalanced so more enhancer parts and less ammo stacks are dropped (loot PED value remains though). They say this will only be in effect for a few days though, to kickstart the enhancer market, and then it will be restored.

Also, when you before this VU were to get a No Loot message, you now may find fragments instead. Fragments are like vibrant sweat - items with a very low TT value but they have a market value as they are used in different activities. This is a new layer to the economy to facilitate more loot opportunities and less No Loot messages.
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i know that is off topic, but in the expiring auction in the log window, do u plan to add also the tier stuff or u are happy to nerf pe-auction and than all the numbering websites that use it do give to the players important info?
 
Was this message ONLY posted on this forum?

Or was it posted elsewhere as well, for those who don't visit EF ?

I certainly cant find it on PC or EG ...
 
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