MA is fast....

[Viperstrike]

Hi ,

I have heard of the rumors also about sale of accounts intact, however I think it best to keep to the ingame method of doing this, through the use of ESI and the auctioneer for skill ESIs and items.

Why, because everything is properly logged and if there is an incident later on, MA can investigate and fix up the issue.

I am in the middle myself of doing a large invest into skill with another player, we have both accepted the fact that it best to do this ingame than outside of game for the above reason.

Sorry if I missed the point of the thread, but I think the why I gave as reason is suited.

Cheers,
Viper

 

[valentin]

You say ( Valentine has produced the 'proof' ) - yes i have a 100% proof because i have a letter from MA who says that you can do that. The letter is from a avatar who wants to buy a other avatar and MA support it in the letter.

MA did answer me at last about this ( this 'extraordinary' circumstances ) after i proof to them that they lie about....

a. That you cant sell your avatar.
b. EULA. 14. Assignment.
c. EULA 2.2.
d. and this letter

Then MA defended ( this 'extraordinary' circumstances ) with something they did in the past ---> thats also a lie look at Stormers sale it was after my request.

Just look at what i wrote in #68 its...

So you let Stormer sell his avatar...
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...381-All-skills&p=2952915&posted=1#post2952915

Dear MA will you continue to lie to me -- or.!!!!


I have to point out that MA did a desperate akt when they did a ( cover-up ) to take away the https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/fo...upport+sell.Så next day what i wrote in #31
The infrmation MA tryed to take away was following....

14. No Assignment

You may not assign this Agreement or transfer Your Entropia Universe Account to anyone, except to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement or if obtaining a prior written consent from MindArk. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Your Entropia Universe Account will be disposable by Your legal successors by inheritance subject to terms and limitations, as applicable by MindArk from time to time. Any attempt to transfer, give or grant Your Entropia Universe Account in breach of this ToU will be null and void. MindArk may assign or transfer any of its rights or obligations under this Agreement to any other company, firm or person without any limitations.

Coment on this...

I bolded the parts everybody forgets to pay attention to. Yes you can sell your avatar to somebody else, all you have to do is ask for MA's permission first. If I remember correctly it involves both parties sending in birth certificates or something like that.

But it is very possible and allowed, yes.
You're just not supposed to do it on your own behalf without letting MA know beforehand..
( all this is only a small amount of information in my fight )


So I have full confidence in MA

 

[valentin]

I think you're missing the point here. It certainly appears there's more than one avatar that MA / EU has allowed to sell intact over the years. I contacted support a while back before Valentine started this thread and argued with MA about it. I told them they KNEW that I KNEW it had been done. They then replied 'prove it'.

Well, Valentine has produced the 'proof' and at this point I think it's on MA to prove that they haven't allowed certain avatars to sell as a whole. We all know there's more than one high profile avatars. We also know that there are players that have been allowed to have more than one avatar. It's to my understanding that MA has told some avatars that complained about the amount of storage to make another one, just not to use that avatar for anything else like trading or other activities in game. Now, that goes against the EULA but it's up to them to allow or not allow. I was under the understanding that all MA needed was well documented people with letters, birth certificates, ID etc about the exchange between the parties. Nothing about only under certain circumstances other than good documentation.

We'd like to at least know the 'extraordinary' circumstances that was accepted by MA that allowed these other avatars to be sold 'whole'. I don't think that's to much to ask. It does appear from a distance that it's favoritism / connections to people within MA only. I'd certainly like to be proven wrong, if I am. I honestly hope I am but sadly, I don't think so. I feel that MA needs to clarify what happened and how, as it's not fair to everyone else.

I want to for MA to answer this because it is not a good way to akt to your players inside this game...
So Kim you are the boss now stad up and defend all the mess MA trying to not see...

 

[aia]

I have heard of the rumors also about sale of accounts intact, however I think it best to keep to the ingame method of doing this, through the use of ESI and the auctioneer for skill ESIs and items.

One reason someone want to do this is:
a) It's cheaper, as you don't have to pay the costs of ESI. Also you get more skills (=all skills) including those whose market value might be less than ESP price (I could imagine laser weapon technology and anatomy).

b) You get attributes - someone who gets an old avatar get get his avatar at over 100 in agility etc, something that you normally have to skill up (or get through missions). Some attributes like agility and intelligence might have been gotten "more effficient" in the past (ie "swim with the fishies") than is possible with an avatar created today.

c) In some cases - if you keep your mouth shut about the trade - you might also get the rep of the previous owner. Even though a small group might know about the transfer, if a "top-10" avatar is sold, the reputation might still stand among the majority of the player population until it's generally known someone else is holding the strings. During teh time, you might be able to borrow expensive gear without need of collateral - and if you're scrupleless to scam someone of those gear - for instance.

As for the safety, it's a question if MA has allowed it or not. If it's done without MAs concent, it's not safe. If the transfer is approved by MA there might be some warranty about the legitemacy. I don't know if MA allows or forces the change of avatar name in the process of an approved trade.

Though I think it would be good if MA would come clear if they had have allowed account transfers in the past outside of the cases explicitly mentioned (like someone takes over the account of a diceased person). Maybe also allow this transfer as a special case as policy was publicly unclear but mentioning that in the future account transfers will be strictly limited to <listed causes>. Maybe the policy will become clearer if it's publicly said, "We have allowed account transfers for non-crucial cases in the past but we do not allow it anymore" so new players who know about well known cases are sure about the rules.

Another option would be an approved way where you're allowed to take custody of another avatar, but after the transfer is complete the avatar can't perform any actions ingame - that it only can be used to extract skills from and items from the inventory (one-way transfers). That a purchased avatar can't hunt, can't mine, can't trade (or drop/pick things up), can't chat etc. Someone who has purchased another account would access the other avatar and be able to extract skills by way of consuming ESIs as it normally would work. And any item transfers would be one-way so the purchased avatar can't be used as a secondary storage, and not should be purchased avatar be able to do things like crafting while the primary avatar is hunting.)

(Also, of course, that MA applies security precautions so a scammer who've guessed the password or managed to persuade support somehow to immediately aquire another avatar in order to strip it. For instance A one-day avatar, ie potential scammer proxy, should not be able to take over another avatar.)

 

[Konve]

There's nothing arbitrary about it, and FYI, this is not a democracy. We are dealing with a corporation. In the corporate world the business makes and enforces whatever rules it sees fit however it sees fit in order to safeguard its interests and continue its operation.

Wrong.

Mindark is under Swedish jurisdiction, and the Swedish consumer laws are among the most thorough in the world. Sure, MA largely deals in the gray area of "online-universe management", but that does not mean they can do what ever they see fit.

That MA would allow some participants to sell their accounts but not allow some others, without exceptionally good reasons (such as "this jerk scammed someone and now wants to sell the account"), that, I bet my hat, would not go down well in a court.

See my signature for further information.

 

[valentin]

One reason someone want to do this is:
a) It's cheaper, as you don't have to pay the costs of ESI. Also you get more skills (=all skills) including those whose market value might be less than ESP price (I could imagine laser weapon technology and anatomy).

b) You get attributes - someone who gets an old avatar get get his avatar at over 100 in agility etc, something that you normally have to skill up (or get through missions). Some attributes like agility and intelligence might have been gotten "more effficient" in the past (ie "swim with the fishies") than is possible with an avatar created today.

c) In some cases - if you keep your mouth shut about the trade - you might also get the rep of the previous owner. Even though a small group might know about the transfer, if a "top-10" avatar is sold, the reputation might still stand among the majority of the player population until it's generally known someone else is holding the strings. During teh time, you might be able to borrow expensive gear without need of collateral - and if you're scrupleless to scam someone of those gear - for instance.

As for the safety, it's a question if MA has allowed it or not. If it's done without MAs concent, it's not safe. If the transfer is approved by MA there might be some warranty about the legitemacy. I don't know if MA allows or forces the change of avatar name in the process of an approved trade.

Though I think it would be good if MA would come clear if they had have allowed account transfers in the past outside of the cases explicitly mentioned (like someone takes over the account of a diceased person). Maybe also allow this transfer as a special case as policy was publicly unclear but mentioning that in the future account transfers will be strictly limited to <listed causes>. Maybe the policy will become clearer if it's publicly said, "We have allowed account transfers for non-crucial cases in the past but we do not allow it anymore" so new players who know about well known cases are sure about the rules.

Another option would be an approved way where you're allowed to take custody of another avatar, but after the transfer is complete the avatar can't perform any actions ingame - that it only can be used to extract skills from and items from the inventory (one-way transfers). That a purchased avatar can't hunt, can't mine, can't trade (or drop/pick things up), can't chat etc. Someone who has purchased another account would access the other avatar and be able to extract skills by way of consuming ESIs as it normally would work. And any item transfers would be one-way so the purchased avatar can't be used as a secondary storage, and not should be purchased avatar be able to do things like crafting while the primary avatar is hunting.)

(Also, of course, that MA applies security precautions so a scammer who've guessed the password or managed to persuade support somehow to immediately aquire another avatar in order to strip it. For instance A one-day avatar, ie potential scammer proxy, should not be able to take over another avatar.)

Sorry but you are wrong it has nothing with the safety to do Because in this letter i have from MA where they say that they offer to monitor the sale and purchase will go to the right way.

Like MA told in this letter - if something went wrong that they would go into the log and conrol that.

 

[Egrim]

Wrong.

Mindark is under Swedish jurisdiction, and the Swedish consumer laws are among the most thorough in the world. Sure, MA largely deals in the gray area of "online-universe management", but that does not mean they can do what ever they see fit.

That MA would allow some participants to sell their accounts but not allow some others, without exceptionally good reasons (such as "this jerk scammed someone and now wants to sell the account"), that, I bet my hat, would not go down well in a court.

See my signature for further information.

yea if that is the case then you could get a refund within 14 days after purchasing anything in this game

 

[dutch chap]

I am out of the Entropia loop since quite a while, so maybe my memory plays tricks on me, but didn't 711 buy vixen's account with his neomaven ava years ago?

Maybe 711 can elaborate on what the conditions were under which that was allowed?

 

[valentin]

I am out of the Entropia loop since quite a while, so maybe my memory plays tricks on me, but didn't 711 buy vixen's account with his neomaven ava years ago?

Maybe 711 can elaborate on what the conditions were under which that was allowed?

Yes you can read all about it here of the sell and buy of the avatar Vixen and much more.


http://!!!!!!!!!!!!!.wordpress.com/

 

[Konve]

yea if that is the case then you could get a refund within 14 days after purchasing anything in this game

Not really.

I would argue that you can not both have the cake and eat it. If you deposited money - and left it there without touching anything - you could probably be entitled to a refund withing 14 days. But you have no real legal rights within "the system", as the EULA calls Entropia as a whole. Though my own opinion might not agree 100 % with what I just wrote here, my other post was more relating to your access or relation to the system, not about inside it.

And btw the refund I spoke of, that is already in the EULA (not bothering to find the paragraph atm but it says something along the lines of "What MA owes you will never exceed your initial deposit"). Here MA are simply generous when they offer you the ability to withdraw beyond what the law gives you a legal right to.

 

[valentin]

Got a funny respod from MA....

2012-08-23 14:42 Entropia Universe Support:

Hi Sir Valentin,

We've tried to be as clear as possible to resolve your issue, we don't know why you insist on us telling lies.

Kind regards,
Cameron | Planet Calypso Support


They can not see anywhere that they have lied or just delay everything again.



Here you have only one example ........
MA says you can not sell their avatar and I have a letter giving permission to it

2012-06-07 16:04 Entropia Universe Support:

Hi,

Thank you for contacting us. As stated in the EULA 2.2 you, as a participant, may not sell, lease, sublicense or otherwise transfer any rights to the Entropia Universe System to third parties. Which means that we do not support the selling of avatars.

This because, we can not guarantee such transactions, plus any potential new owner of an account will be unable to provide identification verification that corresponds to the registered owner of the account. which would make withdrawal and security features unavailable, as well as any support assistance that relies on identification verification.

Kind regards,
Laura | Planet Calypso Support


But.....This I can defend with the following thext.



As a avatar writs to you about to buy a avatar...

Avatars Namne

Hi
I have been offered to buy the ped/inventroy/skills from a friend (with gold card)
Since he lives very close to me he would simply come home to me and we start eu on 2 different computers.
We then trade his posessions and I pay him irl.
Is there any problem with that? I dont want to get bannes so I thought I better ask first.

Answer:

Hi,
Since there is no way for us to know what the arrangements in real life are we can not be responsible if anything goes wrong.
If later on this person accuses you of not fullfilling your part of the trade, since our records will have only recorded your accepting his items without paying anything we would have to lock your account while we investigate.
It is entirely up to you how you want to conduct this acquisiton of items.

Kind regards,
Myriam | Planet Calypso Support

As MA write...
" It is entirely up to you how you want to conduct this acquisiton of items."

And here is a lie 2.....

MA informs you the reason is because of --> security features unavailable, as well as any support assistance that relies on identification verification.

And in the letter MA informs --> since our records will have only recorded your accepting his items without paying anything we would have to lock your account while we investigate.

In one moment they cant keep your security and in text moment its ok.

And then they ask me ..whay i insist on us telling lies.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

Whoa there.

All those quotes you posted back up MA saying no. Not you saying that they said yes anywhere.

This thread is ridiculous and tbh I think its just an attempt to pressure someone into a corner so that you can break basic rules while thinking you have your legal haunches covered.

It wont work. It is very obvious that you are not listening, here, to the support staff responses.

 

[RedThothCrowley]

I whole heartedly agree with Magyar here.

This entire thread has been nonsense and it seems you are wasting a lot of supports time with this while they could be responding faster to real issues.

Whoa there.

All those quotes you posted back up MA saying no. Not you saying that they said yes anywhere.

This thread is ridiculous and tbh I think its just an attempt to pressure someone into a corner so that you can break basic rules while thinking you have your legal haunches covered.

It wont work. It is very obvious that you are not listening, here, to the support staff responses.

 

[OZtwo]

In one moment they cant keep your security and in text moment its ok.

And then they ask me ..whay i insist on us telling lies.

You are still going on about this? Are you Kidding. They are not lying. You need to re-read what they said in the two issues. Yes, one you can't do, but the other you can do. They are not lying to you.

First you asked if your could sale you avatar. NO you can't

Second you asked if you can trade your stuff to another account. Yes you can but they can not support you on this.

So they are not lying dude.

 

[JD RACING]

if they can lock your account for item recieve whit out paying

why they say all trades are final

didnt not just this month some loan a gun woroth over 3k peds out and ma refuse to do anything about it

sound to me double standards

 

[valentin]

Here is my last letter in this ( MA is fast ) and now I answer to their question why I insist on saying that they're lying.
Hope you players have had a fun read and I thank you for listening



Lie No 1.

2011-04-20 I wrote to you and asked for permission to sell my avatar, support answer was no because its agenst the EULA. ( wrong answer or a lie ).

Lie No 2.

2011-04-22 13:27 I write agen and asked to sell my avatar. the supports answer was still no. ( wrong answer or a lie ).

2011-05-08 I write agen and ask and to prove that you giving me wrong answer or lie i put in this link. https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/fo...upport+sell.Så
It says..

Many have asked this before and gotten the same misleading replies as most of the above. As has been quoted above from EULA:

14. No Assignment

You may not assign this Agreement or transfer Your Entropia Universe Account to anyone, except to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement or if obtaining a prior written consent from MindArk. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Your Entropia Universe Account will be disposable by Your legal successors by inheritance subject to terms and limitations, as applicable by MindArk from time to time. Any attempt to transfer, give or grant Your Entropia Universe Account in breach of this ToU will be null and void. MindArk may assign or transfer any of its rights or obligations under this Agreement to any other company, firm or person without any limitations. I bolded the parts everybody forgets to pay attention to. Yes you can sell your avatar to somebody else, all you have to do is ask for MA's permission first. If I remember correctly it involves both parties sending in birth certificates or something like that.

But it is very possible and allowed, yes.
You're just not supposed to do it on your own behalf without letting MA know beforehand.
So the answer from support was wrong or a lie because i just proved that there is a possibility to sell a avatar
Support did not know how to answer so they told me that they will send the case to the Account Department at MA and that they will contact me.That happend 2011-05-09.

Time passes and I asked several times if something is happening about my case.

2011-08-15 ( 3 months later ) i get a answer about it where support asking me - Please let us know the number of the case that you want us to verify.

My answer is - Do not be funny now you have removed all cases from June of last year and June this year. Then move them back so I can tell you what case i talking about.

Then you asked me - Thank you for your reply. As you probably know, we changed the tool used for handling support cases. However, your old support cases will be imported into this new tool very soon. In the meantime, can you give me a short description about the 3-moths-old support case that you are referring too?

And i gave you a short description.

Your answer on that was - Thank you for your inquiry. I regret to inform you that we are currently unable to offer support in Swedish.
Since we changed support portal, all cases in the old portal were closed and we cannot access them at the moment. However they will be implemented in our new system and after that you will be able to access them again.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.

- my thoughts ..( From start agen with a new short description -- No way, MA has this information so let them work )

- 2011-09-06. Thank you for your reply. The Dev team is currently working on the conversion of the old support cases to this new system and they should be done in Q3. However, as you have waited such a long time to get an answer from an inquiry, are you sure that you want to wait until the old cases are imported?

I feel irritated.

- 2011-10-12. Thank you for your reply. Our developers have informed us that the support cases will be imported in the next release. We apologize for the inconvenience that this issue has caused you.

I feel irritated.

- 2011-11-15. Thank you for your feedback but I still do not know which case are you referring to. Our developers have imported the old support cases so you will be able to tell us from which case are you waiting for our reply.

- my thoughts LOL...LOL... ( Because you have removed all cases i cant see the number of the case or is it a short description for third time )...lol

I feel more irritated.

meanwhile I get informatin about avatars who have sold their avatars and bought avatars and that I come across a letter from the support that gives her permission of an avatar sales.
3 avatrs who i know to 100 % that they has bought a avatar is Pesa. Neomaven. NZR. Stormer.

The letter is....

Avatars Namne

Hi
I have been offered to buy the ped/inventroy/skills from a friend (with gold card)
Since he lives very close to me he would simply come home to me and we start eu on 2 different computers.
We then trade his posessions and I pay him irl.
Is there any problem with that? I dont want to get bannes so I thought I better ask first.

Answer:

Hi,
Since there is no way for us to know what the arrangements in real life are we can not be responsible if anything goes wrong.
If later on this person accuses you of not fullfilling your part of the trade, since our records will have only recorded your accepting his items without paying anything we would have to lock your account while we investigate.
It is entirely up to you how you want to conduct this acquisiton of items.

Kind regards,
Myriam | Planet Calypso Support

The letter I have now is important in this case because it comes directly from MA where they grant Avatar sales.
There is a avatar with the namne Casay he has also asked MA before me to sell his avatar - here is hes strory.

- It certainly appears there's more than one avatar that MA / EU has allowed to sell intact over the years. I contacted support a while back before Valentine started this thread and argued with MA about it. I told them they KNEW that I KNEW it had been done. They then replied 'prove it'.
Now i have that kind of prove MA is asking for....

Finally, you replied me and this happened 2012-02-28 ( LOL it took 10 months to do it ) when your policy answer would come in 2 weeks.

Your answer was - I'm sorry for the very late reply. I offer my sincere apologies for the long handling time of your case.

Unfortunately your request to transfer ownership of the account has not been approved.

Transfer of the account is only allowed in exceptional cases and does not apply in the circumstances of your case. Please note that you can still achieve almost the same result as our system allow you to exchange all the items and skills related to your account within the internal virtual market.

Generally the section of the EULA/ToU that you gave us a link to is only applicable in the case of the original account holders death. Our previous answer still stands, selling a complete Entropia Universe account is not allowed. Selling skills and items within the Entropia Universe via auction or trade is however.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.
This answer made me much irritated because in the answer you refers to EULA/ToU.
Now i post my defence at the date 03-05-2012 with a text from the EULA/ToU and its 14. No Assignment and it says...
MA:s EULA is....

14. No Assignment

You may not assign this Agreement or transfer Your Entropia Universe Account to anyone, except to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement or if obtaining a prior written consent from MindArk. Notwithstanding the foregoing, Your Entropia Universe Account will be disposable by Your legal successors by inheritance subject to terms and limitations, as applicable by MindArk from time to time. Any attempt to transfer, give or grant Your Entropia Universe Account in breach of this ToU will be null and void. MindArk may assign or transfer any of its rights or obligations under this Agreement to any other company, firm or person without any limitations.

Coment on this...

I bolded the parts everybody forgets to pay attention to. Yes you can sell your avatar to somebody else, all you have to do is ask for MA's permission first. If I remember correctly it involves both parties sending in birth certificates or something like that.

This info was from a link in Planet Calypso forum who i put so all ppl could see at the date 03-05-2012 and the link was working, the link was..

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/fo...upport+sell.Så

Next day 03-06-2012 dont work anymore. I felt you made a cover-up here so the ppl should not see it. It made me angry, because it the EULA/ToU 14. No Assignment there is nothing who prevent a sale of a avatar.
My thoughts goes also to the avatar Casay where you said you want a proof for him to be able to sell his avatar and i have that kind of proof ( the letter ). There is your lie No 3.

You also refer to "exceptional cases and does not apply in the circumstances of your case", and you explain this by something who are not written EULA/ToU.

Your defence is....

Generally the section of the EULA/ToU that you gave us a link to is only applicable in the case of the original account holders death. Our previous answer still stands, selling a complete Entropia Universe account is not allowed. Selling skills and items within the Entropia Universe via auction or trade is however.
So with other words the avatars Vixen. Sillen. Stormer. The old NZR must be dead, Thats lie No 4.

2012-06-07. Did get a letter from support it says - Thank you for contacting us. As stated in the EULA 2.2 you, as a participant, may not sell, lease, sublicense or otherwise transfer any rights to the Entropia Universe System to third parties. Which means that we do not support the selling of avatars.

This because, we can not guarantee such transactions, plus any potential new owner of an account will be unable to provide identification verification that corresponds to the registered owner of the account. which would make withdrawal and security features unavailable, as well as any support assistance that relies on identification verification.
So here its lie No 5 it has happend before and i have a proof ( the letter ).

06-15-2012. Comes MA:s defence...

As we have previously stated, except for very extraordinary cases ( and this response has no rules on their side just what they did without support from the rules ) and at Mindark's sole discretion an account can not change ownership. According to the EULA, which you have agreed to, a participant, may not sell, lease, sublicense or otherwise transfer any rights to the Entropia Universe System to third parties.

As for exchanging the rights of an Entropia Universe item,PED or skills, this is authorized, as long as the complete transaction is carried out within the Entropia Universe environment (namely via the Auction, the trade terminal, PVP trade, the "Drop/Pick"-action etc.).

If you want to exchange real world cash for your Entropia Universe item, you would have to take the step through PED and then cash it out for real money utilizing the “Transfer Center” withdrawal options.

If you want to buy items in the Entropia Universe, it is NOT authorized to pay for these items with real world money outside the virtual universe. You have to take the step through PED in this case as well.

The reason why we have decided to set stricter rules to the buying and selling of Entropia Universe items/PED is to protect our participants from getting into trouble. It is only when our authorized transfer options are utilized that we can guarantee the safety of the transaction.

Now MA:s defence is " As we have previously stated, except for very extraordinary cases " and MA:s explanation for this was before that the original account holder did die. Thats lie No 6.

my thoughts - just arbitrariness and favoritism.

2012-06-15. MA:s answer -
Please note that you are referring to the acquisiton of "items" and not an "account", "avatar" or the "rights to the Entropia Universe System". So just to be clear, we are talking about different things here.

All methods to exchange rights of an Entropia Universe item or PED are authorized as long as the complete transaction is carried out within the Entropia Universe environment (namely via the Auction, the trade terminal, PVP trade, the "Drop/Pick"-action etc.).

If you want to exchange real world cash for your Entropia Universe item, you would have to take the step through PED and then cash it out for real money utilizing the “Transfer Center” withdrawal options.

If you want to buy items in the Entropia Universe, it is NOT authorized to pay for these items with real world money outside the virtual universe. You have to take the step through PED in this case as well. All approved methods to buy the Entropia Universe currency are listed under "Deposit" on the website.

2012-06-16 My answer - Where did i ever told MA that i want to sell my accont dont twist my words only my avatar vith skills and items and the buyer will strip it because he had the ESI and we would do all in the game.

my thoughts - Apparently did the sale of the other avatars happend outside the game and on my way done everything in the game everyone gets their money both I and MA.

Now i was mad on MA and told them to stop lie..

MA:s answer - I understand that you are clearly very upset about this issue, however, we have explained before that if you wish to strip your avatar from its skills and items and trade them within the Entropia Universe yourself, you are more than welcome to do so, what you can not do is sell the access to your account/avatar. Thats are lie No 7 because the new NZR did buy his avatar with everything, attributes and skills.

End

 

[MIND]

dam that sucks man :/

 

[Casay]

2012-06-16 My answer - Where did i ever told MA that i want to sell my accont dont twist my words only my avatar vith skills and items and the buyer will strip it because he had the ESI and we would do all in the game.

Just to clarify .. I was asking to sell my whole account, not just items / skills. I was inquiring because I was very sick at that time and needed the money for medical expenses.

Yes, I was told I couldn't sell it and when I questioned that others had is when they told me to 'prove it'.
No, I never told them about my medical expense problems and why I was wanting to sell.
I never pushed further as I was able to take care of things a different way without selling.

 

[Shimmer]

Just to clarify .. I was asking to sell my whole account, not just items / skills. I was inquiring because I was very sick at that time and needed the money for medical expenses.

Yes, I was told I couldn't sell it and when I questioned that others had is when they told me to 'prove it'.
No, I never told them about my medical expense problems and why I was wanting to sell.
I never pushed further as I was able to take care of things a different way without selling.

meh this subect is just so old? Kinda like, is this gambling? It's just worn out. There has to be something that's better to carry the drama further. I heard there has been a crash in castle prices. I heard Marco said:

 

[Magyar_Republic]

As a avatar writs to you about to buy a avatar...

Avatars Namne

Hi
I have been offered to buy the ped/inventroy/skills from a friend (with gold card)
Since he lives very close to me he would simply come home to me and we start eu on 2 different computers.
We then trade his posessions and I pay him irl.
Is there any problem with that? I dont want to get bannes so I thought I better ask first.

Answer:

Hi,
Since there is no way for us to know what the arrangements in real life are we can not be responsible if anything goes wrong.
If later on this person accuses you of not fullfilling your part of the trade, since our records will have only recorded your accepting his items without paying anything we would have to lock your account while we investigate.
It is entirely up to you how you want to conduct this acquisiton of items.

Kind regards,
Myriam | Planet Calypso Support

As MA write...
" It is entirely up to you how you want to conduct this acquisiton of items."

Relevant texts bolded.

1) You say this is about buying an avatar. This isnt. This is about trading posessions from one avatar to another.

Completely different.

This is a reading comprehension fail on your part, Valentin. MA isnt lying to you or to anyone else about this. You are lying to yourself.

 

[valentin]

Relevant texts bolded.

1) You say this is about buying an avatar. This isnt. This is about trading posessions from one avatar to another.

Completely different.

This is a reading comprehension fail on your part, Valentin. MA isnt lying to you or to anyone else about this. You are lying to yourself.

Answer to you..






2012-06-16 My answer - Where did i ever told MA that i want to sell my accont dont twist my words only my avatar vith skills and items and the buyer will strip it because he had the ESI and we would do all in the game.

 

[valentin]

And MA:s answer on my letter whay they asking me why i insist on us telling lies....


2012-08-27 14:23 Entropia Universe Support:

Mr. Sir Valentin,

We won't allow and you can't sell/transfer your Avatar account to third parties. Even if you do it how will the person who bought it can prove he's the owner when the account holders name is not even his?.

Please we will not answer more questions regarding this issue.

Regards,
Cameron | Planet Calypso Support 2012-09-01 10:57 You wrote:

Hallo we are not talking about what i can do or not we are talking about yours lies so dont twist the answer....

You have asked me --> whay i call you liar so answer the letter from me now.

Zdravko

As you can see

2012-08-23 14:42 Entropia Universe Support:

Hi Sir Valentin,

We've tried to be as clear as possible to resolve your issue, we don't know why you insist on us telling lies.

Kind regards,
Cameron | Planet Calypso Support


So Mr. Cameron asks me about one thing and he anwer me about someting else and wants to lalk about a third thing.....

 

[RedThothCrowley]

There is a moron posting in the box above me. That is all.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

There is a moron posting in the box above me. That is all.

+ rep

And unsubscribe.

 

[Farmer Smurf]

Seriously, how hard is it to accept the word...NO?
if you have this big a issue with it, fly there and speak to them in person..so they can tell you NO to your face?

Forum and support tickets, after you have already received your answer, (NO) is rather pointless and unproductive.

Even if your correct and someone sometime sold their avatar to another person, and had MA blessing. does not mean it would be allowed for you...your answer was NO, get over it.

 

[valentin]

Hi all.
What made me to do all this work was that MA made me angry because when i asked first time to be able to sell my avatar they started to lie from the begining and they know that i had a buyer so they waited for 10 months befor they gave me a answer.

So it is not the no from MA who is that big problem is it how they did it...

1. With lies.

2. By ignoring its own policy.

3. To not follow their own EULA/ToU.

4. To act arbitrarily.

5. Refuse to answer their own questions.

All that I wanted to show to all players.
I know many are tired because it has been so protracted, so call me moron and give me one more + Rep i had to follow MA in the support and see where its end in support and forum.

It would not done anything if it was one ordinarily online-game but there is so much happening that should not happen because here is large sums of money involved so I'll see if it is legally in a court to do it like MA does it.

Sir Valentin.

 

[OZtwo]

There is a moron posting in the box above me. That is all.

+Rep and he doesn't even know it

 

[Viperstrike]

Yes you can read all about it here of the sell and buy of the avatar Vixen and much more.


http://!!!!!!!!!!!!!.wordpress.com/

Seems I made it to this website too.

http://!!!!!!!!!!!!!.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/viper-admits-to-being-lavawalkers-alt/

It didn't report however that I closed down my old account properly and the new account was signed up after Lavawalker was properly closed down both ingame and on the forums through both MA's & forum owners approval All checks and measures to abide by the ToU were completed.

So no multiple avatars ! The article category tags are misleading.

Seems the post was not correctly copied, 280k skill natural not 380k.
The mistype was corrected shortly after.

Originally posted here > https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...loot-returns&p=2983432&viewfull=1#post2983432

An interest resource, though not very conducive to helping Entropia grow in some respects.

 

[Viperstrike]

Now that I have finally read all this thread properly.

I understand your concerns Sir Valentin about a few having had special treatment.

However MA has said in "extrodinary circumstances" such trades "may" be approved by them at "Mindarks' discression". This does not mean in any way that any person(s) will be approved of such a transaction unless Mindark deems there is a very good reason for such a trade to occur.

The normal method of trade is for everyone, unless you see yourself as somebody special in need of such an out of the normal extrodinary trade.

I think you approached this whole thread and MA the wrong way to be honest.

They have not lied to you, sure there seems to be some miscommunications in the handling process of your support case, but throughout the answer has been .... No! Each and every time.

I would accept what has been said and request a lock for this thread which is doing nothing but making you look a bit foolish - No offense meant Sir Valentin, but their verdict is quite clear that trades need to follow the normal process.

If you want to sell next time, be prepared to do it like the 99.99% rest of us.
Viper

 

[goodgrief999]

I think you approached this whole thread and MA the wrong way to be honest.

They have not lied to you,

If you want to sell next time, be prepared to do it like the 99.99% rest of us.
Viper

Quite. Due to this thread, MA can only say 'No' now, because they cannot encourage potential scams, or profiteering outside the frameworks allowed. Give in Valentin.