Make it work or It will fail. (Rant Warning)

[Lorespade]

@Lorespade and @ Xandra

You take just some part of the story , make it looks nice , and blame things did change....

Back in those day , no one would have put 100$ in a game runned by a swedish unknow compagny who did bankrupcy 1 year before , to invest in some pixel on a planet made by shit pixel runned on crap server , with an engine full of bug and a game where no one knew 1 stat of 1 item since nothing was writen...
People who did back in that day , deposit to buy something was insulted...
Its easy now to say " if i was the general , i would have done the war an other way , and we would have win...";
back then i remember people insulting neverdie for deposit and buy item...
I did hear " mod fap for 20k ped lOOL , need to be a total morron to pay that for shit pixel in game"...You had to here yes , but you had to got balls , deposit and pay for item...many did sell mod fap , mod merc...for what ever reson , and whine nowday after those who did buy it...they dont understand it was their own mistake to sell those stuff , and they are jealous.

You speak about land , well , the first batch of land are was sold at 9k...no one did want put money on it...then came the second batch... stupid me , i didnt even try to get money , i was sure it will be out of my league , but no , LA got hardly at 20k...only at the third batch the price went up to the 150k...
Even TI , was sold for 270k...i remember post on the diferent forum...That deathifier must be total nuts...he must be the last asshole in the world to waste so much money in so big shit...
what worth TI now ?how much he did gain since the day he did buy it ...and who was the biggest asshole in the story ?

Also , there is not much left of the player of the old day...yes , there is some here or there , but they are not so many...they are even kinda rare...
Many of the "uber" that evryone think are old , are not so old , they just did deposit a lot , play a lot , chip a lot...
Those people that have deposited 10$ and become millonaire , there in not more in game from 7 year ago , than from 5 than from 3...
There is succefull people that join EU evry month...
It has nothing to do with starting early , it has to do with taking desicion that are good.

Thanks for the history lession. i wasnt around back then. so i can only speculate based from the information given word of mouth.

seems you tell it just the way it happend.

 

[Brooklyn]

i agree we need better retention , but we need better retention of player that actualy deposit...we dont need to have 1 millon of account made by chinese who bot-sweat to withdraw ped...

But that million of people get already 2-4 free ped per day , thats 60 ped per month ...

Oddly enough buried in that bunch of jibberish is a kernel of truth. You may have actually hit upon the Achilles heal of the RCE concept and the ultimate failure of not only EU but any other attempt to create an online worldwide platform based on it.

It can only work, and has only worked, because it is a small population based primarily in countries with a similar economic base… mainly the top 20% of the planet with 75% - 80% of it’s wealth and even that is further qualified by access to computers and internet access. For most of us it is way to much work and time consuming for the returns to have a less than minor impact on our psyche much less our personal economy. This I believe is why so we readily perceive and accept this scenario as a just a game... because for us it is.

When I was growing up there used to a commercial advertisment that pointed out that for 60 cents or 6 ped a day... less than the price of of a pre-starbucks cup of coffee... I could support a family of four.

As this open free to download and free to play and profit, (10 –50 peds a day) RCE platform extends itself to countries where 5-10 dollars or 50 –100 peds a day is a salary… we will see in virtual life what we are experiencing in real life the virtual transfer of wealth. We will be competing with a severe economic mental disadvantage with millions of people from around the world, for whom this will not be an empty gaming for fun scenario… but a real life, life improving cash cow.

​

Short of making it impossible to withdraw, this ultimate cause of universal failure for any RCE, would be true no matter what, you, I or anyone else proposed… My well conceived plan of social sweat equality will only speed up the process... of theoretically improving the lives of millions...

Now there's something worth depositing for
"I'm doing it for them"
Finally a valid reason to give all those alturistic whining
"I'm losing it for you"
depositors
an empty mug for.​

I think?​

 

[aridash]

As this open free to download and free to play and profit, (10 –50 peds a day) RCE platform extends itself to countries where 5-10 dollars or 50 –100 peds a day is a salary… we will see in virtual life what we are experiencing in real life the virtual transfer of wealth. We will be competing with a severe economic mental disadvantage with millions of people from around the world, for whom this will not be an empty gaming for fun scenario… but a real life, life improving cash cow.

firstly, where is this place where people earn $1 a day and have access to the internet and dirextX9 GP PCs*? secondly, why have you felt the need to inflate Etopia's 2-4 ped a day to 10-50 ped a day? nobody makes 10ped a day sweating (@0.29 ea, thats 3.5k sweat). one signifcant reason why this is unlikly to ever be a problem is if there are mass sweaters the price will drop even further and they get even less.


* i know there are such places, but its a significant barrier to entry - even in the west.

 

[Lorespade]

Oddly enough buried in that bunch of jibberish is a kernel of truth. You may have actually hit upon the Achilles heal of the RCE concept and the ultimate failure of not only EU but any other attempt to create an online worldwide platform based on it.

It can only work, and has only worked, because it is a small population based primarily in countries with a similar economic base… mainly the top 20% of the planet with 75% - 80% of it’s wealth and even that is further qualified by access to computers and internet access. For most of us it is way to much work and time consuming for the returns to have a less than minor impact on our psyche much less our personal economy. This I believe is why so we readily perceive and accept this scenario as a just a game... because for us it is.

When I was growing up there used to a commercial advertisment that pointed out that for 60 cents or 6 ped a day... less than the price of of a pre-starbucks cup of coffee... I could support a family of four.

As this open free to download and free to play and profit, (10 –50 peds a day) RCE platform extends itself to countries where 5-10 dollars or 50 –100 peds a day is a salary… we will see in virtual life what we are experiencing in real life the virtual transfer of wealth. We will be competing with a severe economic mental disadvantage with millions of people from around the world, for whom this will not be an empty gaming for fun scenario… but a real life, life improving cash cow.

​

Short of making it impossible to withdraw, this ultimate cause of universal failure for any RCE, would be true no matter what, you, I or anyone else proposed… My well conceived plan of social sweat equality will only speed up the process... of theoretically improving the lives of millions...

Now there's something worth depositing for
"I'm doing it for them"
Finally a valid reason to give all those alturistic whining
"I'm losing it for you"
depositors
an empty mug for.​

I think?​

Sadly i am going to agree, to say outright no.

Chairity is a powerful thing. It is the power of giving.

But being forced to give is not something i am a big fan of.

Look i understand there are starving childred in far off countrys. i feel for em i really do. But i personaly dont have a job and collecting Veterans assistance at the sum of 540 bucks a month. and i live in a state where that amount dont really get you far. Why should i be forced to spread my wealth around in a game, when my deposits are limited.

If i feel like supporting a player worse off than me. i will support him with information not my money. and if that player wishes to make his life better on his own then so be it. great for him. but he will get no handout. not from me, i cant afford it. but if i happen to have something to spare on hand. and i am feeling generous. sure why not. but if someone is twisting my arm to give it. i dont want to.

now this is the downside on socialism. if everyone has very little to begin with what is to be shared? Leadership and team work to get more of what you want and motivate yourself with a healthy dose of greed, and get things done. Greed can be a force of good. just as socialism can be a force of evil. on the flip side Greed can be very evil. and Socialism be the force of good. finding the right balance of both is the answer.

And afterall this is just a game, although yes oppertunity does exsist. but i would prefer to not be chairitable in a game i am attempting to make my own money on. if i happen to get extreamly lucky. then i might be more chairitable. but that does not mean everyone else should do the same.

 

[Etopia]

Oddly enough buried in that bunch of jibberish is a kernel of truth. You may have actually hit upon the Achilles heal of the RCE concept and the ultimate failure of not only EU but any other attempt to create an online worldwide platform based on it.

It can only work, and has only worked, because it is a small population based primarily in countries with a similar economic base… mainly the top 20% of the planet with 75% - 80% of it’s wealth and even that is further qualified by access to computers and internet access. For most of us it is way to much work and time consuming for the returns to have a less than minor impact on our psyche much less our personal economy. This I believe is why so we readily perceive and accept this scenario as a just a game... because for us it is.

When I was growing up there used to a commercial advertisment that pointed out that for 60 cents or 6 ped a day... less than the price of of a pre-starbucks cup of coffee... I could support a family of four.

As this open free to download and free to play and profit, (10 –50 peds a day) RCE platform extends itself to countries where 5-10 dollars or 50 –100 peds a day is a salary… we will see in virtual life what we are experiencing in real life the virtual transfer of wealth. We will be competing with a severe economic mental disadvantage with millions of people from around the world, for whom this will not be an empty gaming for fun scenario… but a real life, life improving cash cow.

​

Short of making it impossible to withdraw, this ultimate cause of universal failure for any RCE, would be true no matter what, you, I or anyone else proposed… My well conceived plan of social sweat equality will only speed up the process... of theoretically improving the lives of millions...

Now there's something worth depositing for
"I'm doing it for them"
Finally a valid reason to give all those alturistic whining
"I'm losing it for you"
depositors
an empty mug for.​

I think?​

what the hell are you speaking about ?
I dont get it all ... you dont even reply to half of my question , like always you sidestep evry question that show you think at not even half of the problem...

Anyway,for the charity part well...I think there way way way better way to "give" money to those who need it over the world than going though EU , so they can eco on computeur...
Anyway from experience , its not good to just give money or things to people who need things beside when there is big catastropha.
give a fish to man you feed him a day , learn him to fish you feed him for life.
the problem of people dieing of no food or no medic over the world , is way more complicated than just give them food...Giving food or money is a fast short way to feel better about the problem " i did give money now they are fine"...it still does not solve the problem , it make it even worse...


We speak here to change some part of the system( since you dont call it game) so people can test it for free or for cheap.
MA is not a charity compagny they are here to make money.If you want to do something for people over the world , there is tons of compagny specialised in that.you can simply sell all what you have in EU , and send them that money.

The point is , most of your solution to make the game testable for free for a new player are "give them free ped"...
As i pointed to you , ped are real money , and i dont think MA will give money to evryone that register...and to be frank , as player , i pay for my own
entertainment,and i dont want to give my money to people just because they do exist.again , i dont see people who test EU in need of charity.and for charity i would not use MA.

 

[NotVF]

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[Tussi]

To those players that have fear, and turn tail and run away.

Wrong perspective.

Better analogy when compared to a country:

Since we can't do the reasonable thing - round up our incompetent, corrupt & greedy government to take them to the back and shoot them - we emigrate and leave them to starve.

From what you preceive to be a failure of the collective inspirations, Be it Mindark, First Planet Company, or even your peers which constitutes the player base. I want you to know it is not the failure of those who left before you, but your own failure for following.

That's only your fear that you won't find enough idiots who pay up so you can profit.

Yet there still is a portion of individuals who have been fed up with things.

Yep, some still need a bit more bashing to get it.

These people have made the choice to wait for better days, or to leave and take their toys with them.

Logic fail, in case someone leaves you sell your stuff (worst case to TT) to cash out.

There is always Winners and always losers. but when the losers refuse to play they will never win. Not only will they never win but they will force the winners to split off into differnt teams creating more losers as they play opposing each other.

hahaha

So you ask the losers to stay so you have it easier to win?

Nice try.

The rules have not changed, just the players.

Yes, they are more and more fed up. Because rules changed.

I have faith that this game we love will succeed thru any tough time it will meet. But succeed thru the players and the powers that be, supporting it in the rough waters.

Good luck on this.

Now is not a time of greed, but a time of working together to a Goal to improve the the economics of our diverse Planet.

Then get ready to have your liver extracted to sell it and pay up to MA & Co.

Tussi

 

[Tussi]

Socialism is a system where the unproductive leech off the productive. I will immediately yield that there are those who were born with a poor hand of cards, or those who became unable to produce by no fault of their own, and those people should be taken care off at any cost. But in the great majority of the socialist systems in Europe, an ever growing part of the community has been made dependant on the productiveness of others. It's a system doomed to collapse at some point, when there's nobody left to leech from, or all the productive people have given up.

Yep.
But this is a feature observeable in all *-isms that far.

Capitalism as surviving species of these is a prime example for this: Here the biggest leeches are the top 1% - the guys who don't produce anything usefull at all and are only busy marketing hate, anger, fear and war.

Selfishness is not an evil thing at all, despite what they tried brainwashing you into believing while you were younger.

Which is a good idea in case you don't care about the survival (in terms of a high-tech, non-slavery type of civilisation) of our species.

Game theory also hints that you're wrong (on mid- and longterm scenarios).

[/quote]Without a certain level of self-comfort, being forced into sharing with those deemed to be off worse than you still is theft.[/quote]And it's even worse to have to share with the ones who are better off.

Strangely most people don't get that this is the current state of life - perfectly replicated in EU btw.

Tussi

 

[Lorespade]

Charity is the power of giving something of your own free will. THAT is powerful. Forced charity posing as charity is just a better sounding term than theft, but that's exactly what it is, though.



Socialism is a system where the unproductive leech off the productive. I will immediately yield that there are those who were born with a poor hand of cards, or those who became unable to produce by no fault of their own, and those people should be taken care off at any cost. But in the great majority of the socialist systems in Europe, an ever growing part of the community has been made dependant on the productiveness of others. It's a system doomed to collapse at some point, when there's nobody left to leech from, or all the productive people have given up.

Selfishness is not an evil thing at all, despite what they tried brainwashing you into believing while you were younger. Without a certain level of self-comfort, being forced into sharing with those deemed to be off worse than you still is theft.

Once you reach that comfort level, you typically already pay more through taxation, and on top of that, most will give to charity of their own free will.

Consider this. If a democratic society determines charity to be a positive thing, no government is needed to arrange for this, as people will happily donate to charity on their own. If a majority deems charity NOT to be a worthy cause, going through with it basically transforms the concept of donating into an act of putting a gun to your head to get your money.

There should never ever be anyone telling you how much you ough to be giving. If you give what you can reasonably afford, that's good enough.

Any responcible government no matter what is socialist. Even the united states government. Taxes are the means to help the government in protecting its people, investments into state infastructure, and helping those who need help. It is just a matter of what programs really are needed for that tax money to work to make the nation succeed. That is why so my republicans try to say no to excessive taxes. and let the people do what is best for themselves. but democrats do not think that people on the upper end of things will.

But in a republican mindset. Chairity is the means to sucsess. Democrats force the chairity. but on the odd side. when taxes are missused on eather side things make the whole system a little more fearful.

How this concept relates to EU. well there are many differnt forms of taxes designed in the system mostin the forms of fees, that are paid back into the system. And the government for all intents and purposes is mindark/FPC. Think of the decay costs they receive as being a governments tax that keep up with state infastructe and nessesitys, of opperating the government.
But The Taxes being raised to not to feed MA's pockets but other players pockets. just to take you back to the winners and losers comment on 1st posting.

Players do not mind Paying MA. but players find themselfs on the loseing end way to often. becouse the high taxation feeding more well off depositers and players. one example of this can be seen in our markets in game.

Our markets in game have a flat fee of .50 and prices cannot be raised but by incriments of 1 ped. the results of this is Small timer players must completely bypass the market and sell to other players below the market value of that item. and not paying the taxes that feed the system.

This might sound like i am a hipocrite saying taxes are to high, and people need to pay taxes. but the reality is people do need to pay taxes, but the taxes need to be lowered so more people can pay.

This reality is socialistic by nature, but can apply to a free market. lower taxes creates more tax revenue. in these terms if those taxes do feed other players. more revenue means more rewards to those players.

On these market disscutions. you cannot just lower the taxes or make the markets more accesible to lower end players becouse. People that paid into owning shops already need to compete with the market. and they face a losing battle. Giving shop owners a equel footing to comepete with the big bad market, would need to come before or at the same time of market reforms.

Lowered taxes when done right. creates more oppertunity for all. Making a way for better and more stable investments. and if that comes when mindark makes their money with a happy and thriving player base, they will see their income increase as well.

Moral of the story. less is more. more or less.

 

[Etopia]

You guys have to not mix tax and fee...
Fee is what MA and FPC take to run the game,tax would be what MA and FPC take to redistribuate after to other player...
Yes , in game almost evrything is called fee , but well for the sake for clear speaking lets make diference between both.

In EU for now there is no tax that the player can not escape.The only redistribution system are freewill , its sweat , fruit ,dung , stone... but player does not really need to pay for it to other player , he can colect ownself , or simply not use the optional feature that come with it...still the player can use all the main feature in game...

Now , if we take a real social system , where a tax is colect on all action , and player can not escape it , we will have the folowing scenario

random joe the uber got 1000 ped...
no tax system:
1000 ped hunt => 300 ped decay +700 ped in loot pool => get back 600 ped loot , and 100 ped go grow the next ATH... so joe , on 1000 get back 600 , so , his day of playing cost himm 400 ped...

with tax system :
1000 ped hunt => 300 ped decay +100 ped tax +600 loot pool => get back 500 ped and 100 go to the next ATH , so joe get back 500 ped on 1000 ped..
so the day of playing cost him 500 ped...

for a 10% tax , it increase his cost to play of 25% ...

But , why for ?what joe will get out from this ?
what we did is just increase the cost to play , and it was allready insane before...
I am oki with some social care in real , since its a matter of death/life for some people ... but its not the case here...

What would be the benefit ? make more people that can not aford to play trying to play ? why for ?also , it will make that some people who was abel to afford to play , nor abel to afford to play anymore...

Its easy to say " lets give money to poor people so they can do stuff" ... but from where come that money and why...

Thats same problem in real politic...they often promiss new free toy for evryone ... they never speak much about who will pay for it... in the end , its always the medium ramdom joe that pay a lot... the very poor get a bit , and rich get ritcher anyway , because he gain money out of 2 ramdom joe...

Money in not infinite...its easy to create tax , but someone have to pay.and when you spread tax over evry goods , people just buy less goods , in the end , you dont gain more tax , you just manage to make the system more complicated...the system as the whole cost more , and so , less of those tax go where they should as bigger part of it go to pay the system itself...

 

[NotVF]

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[Lorespade]

You guys have to not mix tax and fee...
Fee is what MA and FPC take to run the game,tax would be what MA and FPC take to redistribuate after to other player...
Yes , in game almost evrything is called fee , but well for the sake for clear speaking lets make diference between both.

In EU for now there is no tax that the player can not escape.The only redistribution system are freewill , its sweat , fruit ,dung , stone... but player does not really need to pay for it to other player , he can colect ownself , or simply not use the optional feature that come with it...still the player can use all the main feature in game...

Now , if we take a real social system , where a tax is colect on all action , and player can not escape it , we will have the folowing scenario

random joe the uber got 1000 ped...
no tax system:
1000 ped hunt => 300 ped decay +700 ped in loot pool => get back 600 ped loot , and 100 ped go grow the next ATH... so joe , on 1000 get back 600 , so , his day of playing cost himm 400 ped...

with tax system :
1000 ped hunt => 300 ped decay +100 ped tax +600 loot pool => get back 500 ped and 100 go to the next ATH , so joe get back 500 ped on 1000 ped..
so the day of playing cost him 500 ped...

for a 10% tax , it increase his cost to play of 25% ...

But , why for ?what joe will get out from this ?
what we did is just increase the cost to play , and it was allready insane before...
I am oki with some social care in real , since its a matter of death/life for some people ... but its not the case here...

What would be the benefit ? make more people that can not aford to play trying to play ? why for ?also , it will make that some people who was abel to afford to play , nor abel to afford to play anymore...

Its easy to say " lets give money to poor people so they can do stuff" ... but from where come that money and why...

Thats same problem in real politic...they often promiss new free toy for evryone ... they never speak much about who will pay for it... in the end , its always the medium ramdom joe that pay a lot... the very poor get a bit , and rich get ritcher anyway , because he gain money out of 2 ramdom joe...

Money in not infinite...its easy to create tax , but someone have to pay.and when you spread tax over evry goods , people just buy less goods , in the end , you dont gain more tax , you just manage to make the system more complicated...the system as the whole cost more , and so , less of those tax go where they should as bigger part of it go to pay the system itself...

What i was attempting to say was the "tax" is to high. as it is now. not to add a tax to what it is now.

what ends up going to other players is in essence tax, and anything that goes into mindarks pocket as profit is "fee". Even though some of the names have changed on the terms. Decay is the true fee "costs of play". Tax is AH fees, any decay that goes to the loot pool, any ammo burn that goes in the loot pool, anything that you lose money on that is not decay. even to include high mark ups.

these are the hidden taxes money that goes to other players. even Land tax is tax that goes to other players.

What we have to see is places where the Taxes can be adjusted to increase the out put, and allows more flow and decreases the flow in certain places to make more players a little more happy,

 

[JingyiDai]

I have a much simple system and it works with current features very wel

1) -> press esc if loot sux
2) press withdraw if loot keep sux
3) no ped left to withdraw -> chip out skills.
4) press withdraw again.
5) gather sweat to get peds
6) and start all over again.

 

[Etopia]

What we have to see is places where the Taxes can be adjusted to increase the out put, and allows more flow and decreases the flow in certain places to make more players a little more happy,

I am not sure to get your point.But i would like to have no taxe at all in EU ... just fee for MA is fine.
Then some side system to help noob.the new quest system is maybe a good things for that.
Giving money away like sugest some will not puch noob to deposit.
People have to test and then make a choise.
System that give money away will cost a lot to other player , will not help people who can afford to decide , but will make all those who can not afford abuse the system.It is more easy for many people to just take 1 day , go to macdo , works 1 afternoon and then deposit the money they make , and stop sweating...It does not make sence to keep sweating for people who can aford to play...If people like the chalange then nice , i am happy for them but then they dont need the free ped.

as for loot system well ... i always did ask to have mobs with a better average and less big hof...but when i see protero , i feel like i was total wrong...I dont understand how a medium or low player can go hunt that BS mobs...its the perfect exemple of the big gambling mobs ...loot are 10k or 1 blazar...yet people spend all their money hunting those...

 

[Tussi]

How would one consider the survival of the species if cannot even guarantee one's own survival?

After watching this world for quite some years i came to the conclusion that - statisticly from the sample i saw - the individuals who cannot even guarantee their own survival care about the others around them, while the ones whos survival is quite guaranteed (at least from perspective of monetary wealth) not only care shit about but actively (up to walking over corpses style) exploit their fellow humans in their quest to nurse their greed.

Tussi

 

[Lorespade]

I am not sure to get your point.But i would like to have no taxe at all in EU ... just fee for MA is fine.
Then some side system to help noob.the new quest system is maybe a good things for that.
Giving money away like sugest some will not puch noob to deposit.
People have to test and then make a choise.
System that give money away will cost a lot to other player , will not help people who can afford to decide , but will make all those who can not afford abuse the system.It is more easy for many people to just take 1 day , go to macdo , works 1 afternoon and then deposit the money they make , and stop sweating...It does not make sence to keep sweating for people who can aford to play...If people like the chalange then nice , i am happy for them but then they dont need the free ped.

as for loot system well ... i always did ask to have mobs with a better average and less big hof...but when i see protero , i feel like i was total wrong...I dont understand how a medium or low player can go hunt that BS mobs...its the perfect exemple of the big gambling mobs ...loot are 10k or 1 blazar...yet people spend all their money hunting those...

yeah you might have problems understanding my point but i am saying the same thing as you are.

I would also like lower taxes. but no taxes would mean you take away the winner/ loser aspect of the game, and we still need this. but what we dont need is the gap between the winner and the loser to be as wide as it is.

A few more common loots and less larger loots. but the thing is most of these larger loots come play players "Paying the most Tax" thru higher decays and higher ammo burns. and when they get more HOF, and globals as everyone else it looks unfair when it is very fair. they are putting more in. they should get more out.

But here is where the sad truth is. If they pay more than everyone else. is it fair that they Pay more in decay costs to MA? than everyone else? it has been stated that the average costs to play per player is $21.00 a month. Some pay more some pay less and $21.00 is the average. 210.00 ped per month profits to MA per player on average.

Sure transperancy on the buisness side aspect with finacial reports. but in terms of game side reports there is no transperency. If this is a true model of RCE in game then you should have the ability to defend both RL finacial and in game finacial reporting.

In essence, and closing. If the people on the upper end pay less to play then with some hope more can be tricked down to make it more fair to mid and lower level players. but finding the right balance to insure fairness across the board is the key.

 

[Kungpow]

Now is not a time of greed, but a time of working together to a Goal to improve the the economics of our diverse Planet.

But how should we proceed in working together?

Or will greed Prevail?

Or is there a way to still combine both together and work in harmony to greater profits now and in the future?

lol any real examples besides MA should do this or that? Waste of time anyway, they are not listening. Prob enjoying all the cash they make IRL. Like i said before there is no vacume in a free market, someone wil always try to make profit. I respect that, its survival. We can't change anything, MA is doing well, the only thing keeping me ingame is the fact i feel secure with a Swedish compagny. Sweden has a good reputation. The artificial world has prooven to be persistant.

EU is restricting players because they wont influence the market too much, linear skill tree instead of curves, a limited social interaction. They know why they do it. For example the sib, sib is a neat way to force you to take more and more gamble. The fact they encourage it is because they offer no alternative gear for lo-mid level. The whole setup is made to lure ppl in depositing more and more mony giving false hope with the HOF/Globl thing. Also devised to make ppl deposit more. Just realising that the game is developed to make ppl deposit as much as possible opens a new perspective. Call it like it is.

You can't expect the players to change the economics, work together. I don't see how. People are greedy by nature, i havn't met Mother Theresa ingame. The greed starts from the top with MA and players adept to that attitude, in a way they are forced to pick up the breadcrumbs.

 

[Lorespade]

lol any real examples besides MA should do this or that? Waste of time anyway, they are not listening. Prob enjoying all the cash they make IRL. Like i said before there is no vacume in a free market, someone wil always try to make profit. I respect that, its survival. We can't change anything, MA is doing well, the only thing keeping me ingame is the fact i feel secure with a Swedish compagny. Sweden has a good reputation. The artificial world has prooven to be persistant.

EU is restricting players because they wont influence the market too much, linear skill tree instead of curves, a limited social interaction. They know why they do it. For example the sib, sib is a neat way to force you to take more and more gamble. The fact they encourage it is because they offer no alternative gear for lo-mid level. The whole setup is made to lure ppl in depositing more and more mony giving false hope with the HOF/Globl thing. Also devised to make ppl deposit more. Just realising that the game is developed to make ppl deposit as much as possible opens a new perspective. Call it like it is.

You can't expect the players to change the economics, work together. I don't see how. People are greedy by nature, i havn't met Mother Theresa ingame. The greed starts from the top with MA and players adept to that attitude, in a way they are forced to pick up the breadcrumbs.

Well the odd thing here is all the differnt varibles involved in the whole system. but also the unseen and hidden varibles that keep alot of people argueing.

If one person was to deposit money and not play the game and just buy items with the purpose of selling the items for a raised price, outside the markets, you have a varible there.

Once you deposit money into the game. that money deposited is in MA's hands. regardless of how much money you own in game or not. if you own money in terms of TT value thats money you have the right to withdrawl. money you put into the gaming mechanics, and is lost goes to other players and MA takes some of the value for their own.

As i do agree with your statements to some extent, I do beleive that MA does care about the sucess of the players also. becouse the players success will relate to the sucess of MA. If they do not have these veiws then eventally they will no longer have a means to collect money from anyone.

They do care. They just dont want us the player to find out any falures in the system. or fear players using exploits to gain an advantage over other players. when i say exploits i mean Cheating, and not normalized explotation of players.

There are so many varibles.

I would like to State the new development Skam who has been a EU News Reporter for the community has been given a position as community leiason. This is wonderful news indeed. Becouse.

If Democratic Societys Need The press to keep the government in line with the wishes of the people, then it is Skam's Job to provide the information be it good or bad to the citizan players of EU. I give major props to MA for picking the right person for this job. I only thing i hope is Skam asks the right questions and MA gives the right answers. and provides just enough Transperency to allow for greater success to everyone.

Grats to Skam for this position. please make us proud. And Grats to MA/FPC for giving someone the power to let the public know. Just keep in mind Information is power. Knowledge is information. and money is the trust in power. This is why it says " In God We Trust" on the dollar bill. Supply the trust and we will supply the power. I have trust in a good idea. and EU is the best fucking idea i have ever seen in my whole life. We can make this work dont let me down MA!

 

[Brooklyn]

How would one consider the survival of the species if cannot even guarantee one's own survival?

The word is "sacrifice", which the human williness to do, forms the fundemental basis of human survivial both as a social species and the operating principle of sustainable "civilization" and has been so since the dawn of the human kind.

 

[Etopia]

lol any real examples besides MA should do this or that? Waste of time anyway, they are not listening. Prob enjoying all the cash they make IRL. Like i said before there is no vacume in a free market, someone wil always try to make profit. I respect that, its survival. We can't change anything, MA is doing well, the only thing keeping me ingame is the fact i feel secure with a Swedish compagny. Sweden has a good reputation. The artificial world has prooven to be persistant.

We know for fact MA is listening , it does not mean they will do what we ask , or they will reply...they tend to never reply.. but they read this forum.So when a thread is mature and try to say something usefull , MA take note...

EU is restricting players because they wont influence the market too much, linear skill tree instead of curves, a limited social interaction. They know why they do it. For example the sib, sib is a neat way to force you to take more and more gamble. The fact they encourage it is because they offer no alternative gear for lo-mid level. The whole setup is made to lure ppl in depositing more and more mony giving false hope with the HOF/Globl thing. Also devised to make ppl deposit more. Just realising that the game is developed to make ppl deposit as much as possible opens a new perspective. Call it like it is.

Skill is linear curve ? you do know much about skill...I can tell you its far from linear.
As for sib , it does not puch you to gamble more , it make low lvl player to waste money.If you compare opalo with jester d1 , you dont gamble more with opalo,you just max it sooner , so you have better eco sooner...
The sib weapon was to reduce gap between low and hight end player...Result is now , people with top end gear and skill dont profit so much and so easy like in past,because the eco diference is not so use...
the eco of low and medium player did go up from something around 2.3 to 2.8.almost all player now have weapon with an eco at 2.7 to 2.9...

Nothing give you false hope.Player like to go after too big mobs trying to get what they know to be impossible...the good exemple is proteron.Why people do hunt them ? there is like 100 or maybe 200 player that can hunt them efficiently...only the top player in top 20 soc with big big dps hp and fap...all rest are way over their league...but if you watch the global chat you will tons of medium and low player global and hof on them...But its gamble...one day they lucky and hop big hof...rest of week they lose twice more what they whin...up to them its their choise.

You can't expect the players to change the economics, work together. I don't see how. People are greedy by nature, i havn't met Mother Theresa ingame. The greed starts from the top with MA and players adept to that attitude, in a way they are forced to pick up the breadcrumbs.

Its depend on player , its depend on project , it depend how its managed...
There is way for player to work together , to make money and to not be total greed , if they try to work in small/medium group...
For exemple , usual in society , people do the society price...IF you find an item you usual offer it first at society mate , and if someone whant to buy you sell it cheaper than the market.It usual same for material...you get all the crap loot at TT , and the hight end for lower price...and to do back service to soc matte buy selling them crafted item for TT or special price...
There is also , many other way that a group or soc can interact to reduce the money presure on them...

If Democratic Societys Need The press to keep the government in line with the wishes of the people, then it is Skam's Job to provide the information be it good or bad to the citizan players of EU. I give major props to MA for picking the right person for this job. I only thing i hope is Skam asks the right questions and MA gives the right answers. and provides just enough Transperency to allow for greater success to everyone.

Grats to Skam for this position. please make us proud. And Grats to MA/FPC for giving someone the power to let the public know. Just keep in mind Information is power. Knowledge is information. and money is the trust in power. This is why it says " In God We Trust" on the dollar bill. Supply the trust and we will supply the power. I have trust in a good idea. and EU is the best fucking idea i have ever seen in my whole life. We can make this work dont let me down MA!

Skam works for FPC not for MA...
This dont make much diference maybe now , but will make a big one soon.MA and FPC supose to have diferent office ( i dont know when , maybe its done allready).This will not help her to puch anything anyway...she will maybe have less power than marco in past , because she is new , and she will not have often direct contact with team...She will get info about things just before they come...Its not like she will be abel to argue with MA about a new feature before it get out of the box...

 

[Xandra]

Sacrifices might be what we need

Hi,

Originally Posted by NotVF
How would one consider the survival of the species if cannot even guarantee one's own survival?

The word is "sacrifice", which the human williness to do, forms the fundemental basis of human survivial both as a social species and the operating principle of sustainable "civilization" and has been so since the dawn of the human kind.

Yep, there has been sacrifices all along the human history to aid to the survival of the species. Starting long before old Abraham it was good ancient custom to perform sacrifices in order to calm down & get the benevolence of the respective "higher being".

The disastrous loot situation these days (as many are claiming) might well be explained in a risen anger & unhappiness of a "higher being" in EU! We have completely forgotten the old customs of regularly sacrifices, we became all too occupied with our own private pursuit of richness, we're all doomed, and the sky will come down upon us!

So repent, recall the good all customs, catch yourself an OJ at any area of sweating, hogtie & gag it, and sacrifice it at the nearest altar! This has worked since the dawn of human kind, and has guaranteed the survival of our civilization for this long now - as we see, we're still here, so it can't have been wrong!

This might work calming the powers that be, be it "Lootius", the mysterious "Egg - Ahhhhh!", the shadow council known as "MA", the "Old Mighty Snablesnot" or even the frightening, untold "Order of the War Ants"!
Whoever they might be, assumed enough sacrifices, performed in a way sufficient bloody & cruelly, might work propitiating them "higher beings" and make 'em drop Shadow parts and ModFAP's into our loot again, as it was in the old times when humanity hadn't forgot good behavior yet.

Have fun! ;-)))

 

[Lorespade]

Hi,


Yep, there has been sacrifices all along the human history to aid to the survival of the species. Starting long before old Abraham it was good ancient custom to perform sacrifices in order to calm down & get the benevolence of the respective "higher being".

The disastrous loot situation these days (as many are claiming) might well be explained in a risen anger & unhappiness of a "higher being" in EU! We have completely forgotten the old customs of regularly sacrifices, we became all too occupied with our own private pursuit of richness, we're all doomed, and the sky will come down upon us!

So repent, recall the good all customs, catch yourself an OJ at any area of sweating, hogtie & gag it, and sacrifice it at the nearest altar! This has worked since the dawn of human kind, and has guaranteed the survival of our civilization for this long now - as we see, we're still here, so it can't have been wrong!

This might work calming the powers that be, be it "Lootius", the mysterious "Egg - Ahhhhh!", the shadow council known as "MA", the "Old Mighty Snablesnot" or even the frightening, untold "Order of the War Ants"!
Whoever they might be, assumed enough sacrifices, performed in a way sufficient bloody & cruelly, might work propitiating them "higher beings" and make 'em drop Shadow parts and ModFAP's into our loot again, as it was in the old times when humanity hadn't forgot good behavior yet.

Have fun! ;-)))

Oh my god you done took this to a whole nother level. you brought god into it. Lootius is angry. I dont think i can respond to this. but i would plus rep you. but i will be damned if i already did for another one of your awsome posts. hopefully someone else does it for me.

 

[NotVF]

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[Brooklyn]

Hi,

So repent, recall the good all customs, catch yourself an OJ at any area of sweating, hogtie & gag it, and sacrifice it at the nearest altar! This has worked since the dawn of human kind, and has guaranteed the survival of our civilization for this long now - as we see, we're still here, so it can't have been wrong!

Have fun! ;-)))

That's how I got my globals
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