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Mining Bots = Game Killer

PreyNaika said:
You summon the claim to the Border and then use it from outside

Spawn a pitbull when you get the lootable Tag outside the Red zone then jump into it , then you spawn another vehicle outside the yellow pvp zone and u cant be hit anymore, impossible to get killed if you dont Land two big crits in a row

This issue is already known by ark Team, i did report it and they told me that they work on a solution for it

Guy who meines like that still didnt get banned
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Didnt know this....well, news are news. Thanks for sharing.
Just asking....is that "guy" who moved on alternative in the last days?
 
InKwL said:
Didnt know this....well, news are news. Thanks for sharing.
Just asking....is that "guy" who moved on alternative in the last days?
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I have no idea sorry, didnt have much time to play the past two weeks
 
PreyNaika said:
Lets not forget the bordermine people who do this 24/7 next to lootable pvp , Drilling all the ores without entering.

That kind of exploits + bots rly mess around with the mu
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True that's another problem that needs to be fixed.. could probably just make the circle border or whatever for the good pvp ores smaller to prevent it or something or not allow claim summons for first 50 meters idk.. I suck at hunting so I expect to die once in a while n lose my loot haha people that are better hunters deserve the reward
 
UPDATE: so with the loads of messages I got with more information with corroborating evidence that I've seen myself too this is how it went down..

Years and years ago probably not long after arkadia was formed "OG Bot" created a program to automine afk. The way the game works none of the good ores could build up in supply for real human players and he would not only take any rares but also the "SOOTOS" mining boxes etc which made it impossible for him to not profit. He's been seen by high up long time players botting and selling mining boxes by the 1000s at a time. Any miner knows how many years even 1 account would take to do that. So he was reported on by many different individuals and nothing was done. He made numerous bots, some servers even had multiples which I saw myself years ago and those ones would come to a complete stop when green dot appears so no recording could be done. This particular server was Cave sap that I mined for a year straight and "OG Bot"s account was never there but his minions were every single time I went to their grid, yet I would see "OG Bot"s name on caly auction selling 2k ped of Cave sap then week later couple more stacks = 4k ped ( that takes a very longgg time accumulate especially unamped not a week). Same thing in the desert servers which I personally didn't mine but know others who have.

Fast forward almost a decade of doing this with countless minions he gets enough to buy over 200k ped in items that we know about plus who knows how much withdrawn. "OG Bot" creates 3 well known bots that he shares the UL level 7 amp between as to not be totally obvious by blowing away everyone in globals on Entropia life with just 1 account and keeps his main 3 just in the top 15. Again this is just what we know so imagine what we don't know.

I wanna thank everyone for contributing and puting a spotlight on him. Because of us he has taken his bots (big ones only) out of commission the last few days after going nonstop for years which is just further evidence that they are indeed bots. With him logging his "OG bot" account right ontop of me in the very same grid that his Uber bots mined everyday since and only since they were taken out of commission, just shows us he does indeed own them all. Is he bragging by logging in his "OG Bot" account in that very spot kind of like showing us its him? He has a ton of bot accounts so why that 1? Like he's untouchable...

F*** him and the damage he is doing to the game. If you see his bots and they don't respond take video, screen shot, report them. Especially now the timing is crucial to help force MAs hands.

Thanks again
 
So last few days the "OG bot" account has been mining in that same grid as his uber bots and I finally got him on video while mining still for 3 minutes as I kill him and no response. Same channel as last videos if you need the link send me a message on here. Sent support in on that with the link so maybe that 1 will go offline too hopefully.
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
So last few days the "OG bot" account has been mining in that same grid as his uber bots and I finally got him on video while mining still for 3 minutes as I kill him and no response. Same channel as last videos if you need the link send me a message on here. Sent support in on that with the link so maybe that 1 will go offline too hopefully.
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I would guess lots to go :)
 
I reported bots a while back in fort argus at least sophisticated ones that actually know game mechanics using radar and super speed buffs.

Add to the fact you can't grab names in that area and they immediately dart off as soon as you pop up on their radar makes them hard to catch to report. Theirs a particular thing they do that makes them stand out, they are smart enough not to run 24/7 and if you do manage to get close to them they either log off or tp out. Also believe they are tied into entropia life in some form looking for markers when to activate.

Also add to the fact miners including myself use particular routes makes them even harder to spot from ma perspective.
 
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PreyNaika said:
You summon the claim to the Border and then use it from outside

Spawn a pitbull when you get the lootable Tag outside the Red zone then jump into it , then you spawn another vehicle outside the yellow pvp zone and u cant be hit anymore, impossible to get killed if you dont Land two big crits in a row

This issue is already known by ark Team, i did report it and they told me that they work on a solution for it

Guy who meines like that still didnt get banned
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I spoke with Liviu on discord and tried to explain all issues on Arka lootable and all i was thinkin was thinking was they need a 200m zone near the pvp where vehicles are not alllowed, this will fix everything. Look Mindark put it at proteron :D why they cant put one there on arka.
 
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slick27 said:
I reported bots a while back in fort argus at least sophisticated ones that actually know game mechanics using radar and super speed buffs.

Add to the fact you can't grab names in that area and they immediately dart off as soon as you pop up on their radar makes them hard to catch to report. Theirs a particular thing they do that makes them stand out, they are smart enough not to run 24/7 and if you do manage to get close to them they either log off or tp out. Also believe they are tied into entropia life in some form looking for markers when to activate.

Also add to the fact miners including myself use particular routes makes them even harder to spot from ma perspective.
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As with all things, the game should not be this predictable. That by the very definition is an exploit.
 
atomicstorm said:
As with all things, the game should not be this predictable. That by the very definition is an exploit.
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Well all the maps are static so for starters if you want to combat bots at least in terms miners because they move you need dynamic vegetation or rocks that randomly spawn different positions and or in random clusters not just one on its own to easily navigate.

They already have the fruit and stone system in place randomly spawning so I can't see how they cant tag off that with solid vegetation/rocks. Bulk these bots follow a predetermined path/grid with some variation and the kicker is you get these random claims that are well outside finders range that's why in fort argus you sometimes see characters stuck in the round cluster trees to the west.
 
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Can anybody tell me how I spot a bot and how this is possible in this game to get a bot, I mean how??
I read this and I watched your videos, how you know it is a bot?? And why there is no one from official to get any comment on this?
 
mortimerhotshot said:
Can anybody tell me how I spot a bot and how this is possible in this game to get a bot, I mean how??
I read this and I watched your videos, how you know it is a bot?? And why there is no one from official to get any comment on this?
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Most would be custom bots and being rce it's not the thing you would see splattered over the internet as their money is using the bot not selling the bot.

As for how to tell theirs a number ways spotting them but it takes time as you got to analyse their movements, reaction time consistency, how they react round static objects or events created by a player. How they respond to in-game tools for instance radar is popular one. Once you find specific things that makes them stand out it makes them far easier to spot.

Ones I spotted in fort argus started out with me trying to understand my own mining results and why they worked in certain places but not others over 3 months same area. Conclusion was made so I looked in places why my results sucked spotted consistent pattern in players that was noticeable and consistent. Won't share the specific thing so they can make better bots.
 
mortimerhotshot said:
Can anybody tell me how I spot a bot and how this is possible in this game to get a bot, I mean how??
I read this and I watched your videos, how you know it is a bot?? And why there is no one from official to get any comment on this?
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The bots that's I've seen on Arkadia stop moving once there's a green dot on their radar. Those are the simpler ones I assume. I think I reported one like a couple years ago, they're still running around.
 
mortimerhotshot said:
Can anybody tell me how I spot a bot and how this is possible in this game to get a bot, I mean how??
I read this and I watched your videos, how you know it is a bot?? And why there is no one from official to get any comment on this?
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Some bots like sober Phil said mine in secluded small areas and stop right when you get near them and they have been around forever. The guy made so much money from it that he bought UL 7 amp and a couple UL 3 amps and with this bots he puts in the higher MU servers and those do not stop when near but go everyday in the same small area in a zig zag pattern to look random so if you didn't know what to look for or mine same areas often it would be tough. Usually they are always showing invisible so no one messages them and they won't respond (sometimes he will message back after a long time) . You can see insane amounts of ores from them on auction all the time like the 1st one I killed used to mine LA 60 and sell tons of auctions of 400-800p magerian 1000's ped putty which is rare etc.
He won't sell this software he makes $100k's USD from the bots so it would be stupid to sell it for even $25k usd. All that money is literally taken out of all our pockets I don't know why MA won't stop this 1 guy it doesn't make any sense at all since it hurts them with less players now playing from seeing no potential in the game.
 
slick27 said:
Well all the maps are static so for starters if you want to combat bots at least in terms miners because they move you need dynamic vegetation or rocks that randomly spawn different positions and or in random clusters not just one on its own to easily navigate.

They already have the fruit and stone system in place randomly spawning so I can't see how they cant tag off that with solid vegetation/rocks. Bulk these bots follow a predetermined path/grid with some variation and the kicker is you get these random claims that are well outside finders range that's why in fort argus you sometimes see characters stuck in the round cluster trees to the west.
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That if there was a ton of different people doing it but since it's just 1 guy then MA could easily just ban him and his 1000 bots... people by the hundreds have all sent in reports to MA on them and they refuse to do it.. so no need to change the whole game around us players will help MA find them IF they would actually do something about it
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
Hi everyone and Mindark,I’ve recorded a couple of videos showing a mining bot operating with a UL level 7 amp on Arkadia. In one video, I interrupted the bot while it was still dropping probes non-stop, and in another, the program was bugged and running in circles. While there are many bots in the game, one (rank 5) and another (rank 12) are confirmed top miners who are severely impacting the game’s economy. The problem is that when a bot mines continuously with a UL level 7 amp, it consumes a huge amount of Ignisium ore, one of the few ores with decent markup (MU) right now. This oversupply crashes the ore’s price due to low demand, causing other miners to shift to less profitable resources. This shift lowers the MU for those ores and enmats, leading to reduced loot values for hunters and diminished demand for crafted items. Essentially, the entire economy suffers as a result.

XXXX alone cycles approximately 20-30k PED daily, which contributes to around 10% of the game's nanocube sales. This not only affects the price of nanocubes but also the minimum prices for everything else—loots, oils, ores, etc. With numerous bots causing similar disruptions, the overall economic impact is severe.If we can eliminate mining bots, we could restore a more stable and profitable economy. Hunters who mine would then have access to better MU ores, reducing competition for selling loot and boosting demand for crafted products. This would attract more players and enhance the game’s overall experience.

I’ve contacted MA about this issue, and while they’ve acknowledged my report, it’s only been two days since their response, so there’s no resolution yet. My suggestion for addressing mining bots is as follows:
First offense: 1-week suspension
Second offense: 6-month suspension
Third offense: Lifetime ban with the removal of all market value from items involved

Suspensions should be applied without prior warning to prevent offenders from immediately transferring equipment like the UL level 7 amp to alternate avatars. Tackling this issue effectively could revitalize the economy and improve player engagement.Let’s work together to encourage MA to enforce these rules and combat botting. Please support this cause by submitting support tickets, sharing videos of bot activity, and taking steps to mitigate their impact.Let’s make Make Entropia Universe Great Again (MEUGA)!


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Time to shine a light on this BS

EDIT thanks to malaki for proper english and for the snake pill haha
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Well Ignisium is/was way too expensive man, the mu had to come down man.

If I hadn't read about the mining bots here on PCF, then I never would have known about them. Maybe MA should just delete threads like this and be done with the whole thing. Honestly, your "suggestions" to ban players who use bots is ridiculous; when have you ever heard of a business kicking out customers because they are spending too much money in their store? What?

If MA is smart they will create new systems as time goes on that just cannot be botted, like what they seem to be doing now with the new hunting content, like RDI and GSTQ instances.
 
Legends said:
Well Ignisium is/was way too expensive man, the mu had to come down man.

If I hadn't read about the mining bots here on PCF, then I never would have known about them. Maybe MA should just delete threads like this and be done with the whole thing. Honestly, your "suggestions" to ban players who use bots is ridiculous; when have you ever heard of a business kicking out customers because they are spending too much money in their store? What?

If MA is smart they will create new systems as time goes on that just cannot be botted, like what they seem to be doing now with the new hunting content, like RDI and GSTQ instances.
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I think you're looking at it wrong and its because of the bots that its too expensive .. so what happens is there is 65-70p ignisium per refill the bot owner has loads of peds so mines it and sits on it until it reaches highest price with UL 7 big amp... the regular humans who aren't rich from cheating would sell the ignisium right away AND actually use tons of crafted goods such as amps enhancers etc.

With real humans able to get more for example ignisium per refill (not to mention SOOTO's like strongboxes) instead of barely any they would see an opportunity then more people would stay in game because of good opportunities and more crafted goods would be selling and more people around to buy high end gear etc.

The refill amounts change because of MA they will do 65-70p worth for a couple months then change it to 500p worth for few months so the price artificially changes. Which is a good thing BUT not when the bots take it and hoard it and contribute nothing to the economy except withdrawing ped out of the game.

As a crafter looking short term I can see where you think it's better thinking lowering prices but I mine all the time you got to trust me on this the mining bots are doing serious damage.

Imagine MA only allows say 5 perseus harnesses per hour total among whole game to be crafted with a huge demand but the bots going nonstop get 4/5 of them and you get 1 but the bots sit on them until a big event comes or whatever. Except you have to use MU ores and stuff to craft it but they get to craft using only uniammo... bad example but trying to relate it to your crafting lol
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
That if there was a ton of different people doing it but since it's just 1 guy then MA could easily just ban him and his 1000 bots... people by the hundreds have all sent in reports to MA on them and they refuse to do it.. so no need to change the whole game around us players will help MA find them IF they would actually do something about it
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Could well be just one guy maybe but I'm sure theirs alot more then one guy especially as best way mining if you don't have ul amps is unamped which is extremely tedious at best.

The issue I have with the above compared to real person is they effect you hitrate which I clearly saw in wide open areas Vs more complex areas. I don't play much now so suppose side effect of above.
 
Legends said:
Well Ignisium is/was way too expensive man, the mu had to come down man.

If I hadn't read about the mining bots here on PCF, then I never would have known about them. Maybe MA should just delete threads like this and be done with the whole thing. Honestly, your "suggestions" to ban players who use bots is ridiculous; when have you ever heard of a business kicking out customers because they are spending too much money in their store? What?

If MA is smart they will create new systems as time goes on that just cannot be botted, like what they seem to be doing now with the new hunting content, like RDI and GSTQ instances.
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Crafted weapons are also way too expensive man. Never see cheap crafted Armatrix. I know some crafters want to buy all materials if they can for 100.01% MU , craft items and sell for nice profits.
It is very easy to craft, is a lot harder to mine the materials.
To have a army of bots and play next to them, is hard.
But yeah, why to blame bots and exploits players....
Is very natural.
I belive better MA close also crafting, crafters make good moneys and withdraw and dont help the economy, right?

Up to the time when MA set a new mining sistem where bots cant work, lets bann them, keep active players and we are good
 
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I'm wondering whether the new space mining will turn out to be practically unbottable, but the other way to equalise somewhat is to allow automation = 'botting' in most fields.
We have that in crafting now too, even something like 12-15 hr runs per, is it auction area, so can set up usually 2 per planet or so and move around to set up more. It's an equivalent, sort of, to having multis, but officially sanctioned.
However, if bots or multis can run around on the unnerfed systems - autocrafting has worse returns, it seems - then they will continue to do that I guess. It's not really a solution to allow all a nerfed bot option if it's not as good as what the cheaters do.

If the 'smartest' bots currently deactivate with any other gds on radar, then simply ghost in some gds, MA. You don't have to be terribly smart to beat bot-smart, you know, and to adapt quickly to new bot practices!!!
 
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jetsina said:
I'm wondering whether the new space mining will turn out to be practically unbottable, but the other way to equalise somewhat is to allow automation = 'botting' in most fields.
We have that in crafting now too, even something like 12-15 hr runs per, is it auction area, so can set up usually 2 per planet or so and move around to set up more. It's an equivalent, sort of, to having multis, but officially sanctioned.
However, if bots or multis can run around on the unnerfed systems - autocrafting has worse returns, it seems - then they will continue to do that I guess. It's not really a solution to allow all a nerfed bot option if it's not as good as what the cheaters do.

If the 'smartest' bots currently deactivate with any other gds on radar, then simply ghost in some gds, MA. You don't have to be terribly smart to beat bot-smart, you know, and to adapt quickly to new bot practices!!!
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Put creature pills in trade terminal.
Bot show on map? Killed
If bot die 2 times in 15 minutes...activate the unique code given from entropia pocket.
You have a army of bots? Will take much longer to log in back.
You have 10-20-50 accounts...buy 50 phones
Problem solved.
 
jetsina said:
I'm wondering whether the new space mining will turn out to be practically unbottable, but the other way to equalise somewhat is to allow automation = 'botting' in most fields.
We have that in crafting now too, even something like 12-15 hr runs per, is it auction area, so can set up usually 2 per planet or so and move around to set up more. It's an equivalent, sort of, to having multis, but officially sanctioned.
However, if bots or multis can run around on the unnerfed systems - autocrafting has worse returns, it seems - then they will continue to do that I guess. It's not really a solution to allow all a nerfed bot option if it's not as good as what the cheaters do.

If the 'smartest' bots currently deactivate with any other gds on radar, then simply ghost in some gds, MA. You don't have to be terribly smart to beat bot-smart, you know, and to adapt quickly to new bot practices!!!
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Already lot of people told what to do, but as we know its always cash grinded so they will not do much.
Thats why instead of fighting better push to legalize all. As its already to late.
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
I think you're looking at it wrong and its because of the bots that its too expensive .. so what happens is there is 65-70p ignisium per refill the bot owner has loads of peds so mines it and sits on it until it reaches highest price with UL 7 big amp... the regular humans who aren't rich from cheating would sell the ignisium right away AND actually use tons of crafted goods such as amps enhancers etc.

With real humans able to get more for example ignisium per refill (not to mention SOOTO's like strongboxes) instead of barely any they would see an opportunity then more people would stay in game because of good opportunities and more crafted goods would be selling and more people around to buy high end gear etc.

The refill amounts change because of MA they will do 65-70p worth for a couple months then change it to 500p worth for few months so the price artificially changes. Which is a good thing BUT not when the bots take it and hoard it and contribute nothing to the economy except withdrawing ped out of the game.

As a crafter looking short term I can see where you think it's better thinking lowering prices but I mine all the time you got to trust me on this the mining bots are doing serious damage.

Imagine MA only allows say 5 perseus harnesses per hour total among whole game to be crafted with a huge demand but the bots going nonstop get 4/5 of them and you get 1 but the bots sit on them until a big event comes or whatever. Except you have to use MU ores and stuff to craft it but they get to craft using only uniammo... bad example but trying to relate it to your crafting lol
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The biggest issue that I see is the way that the mining system works in the first place where MA sets up maximums/hour, it makes arbritrage of resources which are in higher demands at different periods impossible and screws things up badly for a lot of players.

The biggest and most obvious consequence of this system is you end up with wild swings for certain resources like for example the one we saw recently for Ignisium that went up to over 400% for a while during the resource mayhem.

This is the exact system flaw that bots aim to take advantage of and I don't care how many rules or bans you inplement, unless you change that system, people will be forced to try and 'work' within that system, i.e. hoard and sell later when demand is highest, whether that's using bots or otherwise, ot's just a bad system.

To begin to fix this flawed system, I made some detailed suggestions here:

Suggestion: - Taking the Mining profession to the next level

I’ve been giving this a lot of thought lately; could the mining profession be radically different, but also in some respects be able to maintain the current system where miners engage in essentially carpet-bombing the landscape in search of markup? The short answer is, I think Yes, it could be...
www.planetcalypsoforum.com www.planetcalypsoforum.com
 
The Great Adventurer said:
Solution here is in game macros for everyone.
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Interested to know how a macro would work for mining considering claim locations are random as well a success of a claim. Pre dropping fair enough but the user still has to manually go back pick up the claims and depending if they are mining unamped they got a limited time to do it before claims expire.

Macro isn't the issue we're on about here anyways it's full automation (bot) which is reading positions from the in-game radar establishing course corrections and or using other tools when to activate and to dig up claims or to stop.
 
What is a game killer is how rude people in this game are these days. Want to mind my own business and people spam are you "bot are you bot?" Seriously find an interactive question.
 
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