More low lvl useful BP's needed
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No we don't.
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What we need is new items for miners and hunters that use more of the low level crap BPs we have...
So many BPs are practically useless or the demand is so small either because the TT per item is so low you get mega stacks... or the product they go to is something not useful.
MA should try to expand on the component areas and add new items that these crap components can be used with.
So many BPs are practically useless or the demand is so small either because the TT per item is so low you get mega stacks... or the product they go to is something not useful.
MA should try to expand on the component areas and add new items that these crap components can be used with.
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In fact, LeWolf86, that's exactly what MA's done.
Remember, not long ago, we didn't have component book II, weapon book II, etc.
Go back through those version I books and you'll notice that the amount of useful components was a very small list.
I expect future recipes will rely on even more components as well.
Remember, not long ago, we didn't have component book II, weapon book II, etc.
Go back through those version I books and you'll notice that the amount of useful components was a very small list.
I expect future recipes will rely on even more components as well.
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Furniture could use some more for sure.
Attachment could use a couple cheap bp's maybe. Not sure on this one. Just thinking about a skilling type bp like Jesters in weapons.
Other than those two I think they just need to make more use of the component options we have already.
Attachment could use a couple cheap bp's maybe. Not sure on this one. Just thinking about a skilling type bp like Jesters in weapons.
Other than those two I think they just need to make more use of the component options we have already.
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In fact, LeWolf86, that's exactly what MA's done.
Remember, not long ago, we didn't have component book II, weapon book II, etc.
Go back through those version I books and you'll notice that the amount of useful components was a very small list.
I expect future recipes will rely on even more components as well.
Im a noob, dont remember much before Dec 08
...Ya furniture could probably use some, and I agree with attachment... maybe something to skill on thats not as suicidal as 101s
.I think its just we need more components that have use
, or adjusted to be more economical.... cause BPs without demand that require high MU materials (I know this isn't 100% controlled by MA) will never be crafted...And if we believe that there is a loot pool for each item... it makes certain items possibly never pay out??? Then again who knows the system
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Im a noob, dont remember much before Dec 08
I know. That's why I was giving the history lesson, so n00bs like humbll can see that MA/FPC have actually tried to improve the component and beginner bp issue.
They can't make it as nice as we'd like. Imagine if you could make madd IVs and Apis level weapons right from the beginning. What on earth would the upper level crafters have to craft?
To keep things interesting, in crafting, hunting and mining, they have to offer some desirable goals for us to reach toward. In crafting, this is done by allowing you to make better equipment as your skills increase. This, by definition requires a smaller amount of useful items to craft at the beginning.
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And your reasoning for this is what exactly?
In fact, LeWolf86, that's exactly what MA's done.
Remember, not long ago, we didn't have component book II, weapon book II, etc.
Go back through those version I books and you'll notice that the amount of useful components was a very small list.
I expect future recipes will rely on even more components as well.
Got to agree with this.
Furniture is currently a tiny market compared to other areas, so not much you produce is going to be in demand. The most in demand items are likely to be rare, and quite rightly so at present.
So, if an item doesn't have much demand, is it still useful?
I'm guessing that what a lot of you probably mean when you think useful in the context of this thread, is something that is in steady demand.
If this is the case, there are already a reasonable number of these items that can be made by anyone as soon as they start crafting. You just need to work out which to make and when.
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In fact, LeWolf86, that's exactly what MA's done.
Remember, not long ago, we didn't have component book II, weapon book II, etc.
Go back through those version I books and you'll notice that the amount of useful components was a very small list.
I expect future recipes will rely on even more components as well.
Totally Agree but would like to the low level furniture blueprints expanded or adjusted... Mabye along with some lumber Jacking profession...
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AT first sight the idea is good but on thinking about it:
Most low level BPs do create something useful (basic filters is the major exception).
The problem is that EVERYBODY can use low level BPs so EVERYBODY can make these low level items. This means that the markup is very low or non-existent.
Take Basic tubes for example. These ARE useful, they can be used for making a Kesmek Slo(L) - I have even made some myself in order to craft a Kesmek Slo(L). The cost of making them is roughly 7 pec per attempt and the markup for Basic Tubes is between 100 and 103% thus you are not going to make a profit on tehse (unless you egt a global). The same thing applies to all low level BPs. The reason for them being useless for making profits is NOT because what they make is useless, it's because a lot of people are using them. The only way BPs can be profitable is by restricting them. Just check which BPs do make something with a high markup. You will either find that the ingredients have a high markup or that very few people have the BP.
As usual in this game it is a question of supply and demand.
Most low level BPs do create something useful (basic filters is the major exception).
The problem is that EVERYBODY can use low level BPs so EVERYBODY can make these low level items. This means that the markup is very low or non-existent.
Take Basic tubes for example. These ARE useful, they can be used for making a Kesmek Slo(L) - I have even made some myself in order to craft a Kesmek Slo(L). The cost of making them is roughly 7 pec per attempt and the markup for Basic Tubes is between 100 and 103% thus you are not going to make a profit on tehse (unless you egt a global). The same thing applies to all low level BPs. The reason for them being useless for making profits is NOT because what they make is useless, it's because a lot of people are using them. The only way BPs can be profitable is by restricting them. Just check which BPs do make something with a high markup. You will either find that the ingredients have a high markup or that very few people have the BP.
As usual in this game it is a question of supply and demand.
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no you dont......
My experiance with EU is if low lvl players can craft it its not worth crafting!
Why?
Cause too many cooks spoil the broth or in EU terms to many crafters = a bunch of people fighting for the same customers, causing widespread undercutting and price wars thus putting anything new thats low lvl into the same position as the current stuff thats there.
Plain and simply thats your answer to this vote in a nutshell!
My experiance with EU is if low lvl players can craft it its not worth crafting!
Why?
Cause too many cooks spoil the broth or in EU terms to many crafters = a bunch of people fighting for the same customers, causing widespread undercutting and price wars thus putting anything new thats low lvl into the same position as the current stuff thats there.
Plain and simply thats your answer to this vote in a nutshell!
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I don't think we need more low level BPs. If all you want to do is skill, then there is plenty enough for that. What we need is for more higher level blueprints to utilize the lower level crafted components. Take this one for example:
Basic Structure:
http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.aspx?chart=Material&name=Basic_Structure
It's a level 2 blueprint and the only thing it goes into is the Z10 Oreseeker print. There's virtually no demand for basic structures if that's the only thing it goes into. The lower blueprints should supply the next level and so on and so forth, and have a multitude of items that these things go into, so you end up with a supply chain like everywhere else in the real world.
Basic Structure:
http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.aspx?chart=Material&name=Basic_Structure
It's a level 2 blueprint and the only thing it goes into is the Z10 Oreseeker print. There's virtually no demand for basic structures if that's the only thing it goes into. The lower blueprints should supply the next level and so on and so forth, and have a multitude of items that these things go into, so you end up with a supply chain like everywhere else in the real world.
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Case in point:
*Simple I Plastic Springs (lvl 2)
which is used to make
*Simple II Plastic Springs (lvl 5)
which is used to make
*Simple III Plastic Springs (lvl 8)
which is combined with
*GeoTrek Hardened EnBolts (lvl 9)
which requires
*High Grade Plugs (lvl 9)
to be crafted to make
*Enhanced Talytic Converters (lvl 14)
which is required if you want to make
OA-109 (L) (lvl 14)