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Nick Co0Lio

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Hey, lovely EU people :)

So I was just checking out Narcotic's diary and he said 'I'm a highly skilled player, can't hit big loot'... The thing is, I've heard this rumour time and time again... the more skills you get, the less lenient the game is with you, and the more you have to 'work' for your ped. Do you all agree?

I want DATA. As far as I know... this dude SQUALL back in the day, a fat avatar with green hair, he hit a top 10 ATH, and he was skilled before that if not mistaken. Also, aren't Uber crafters the ones hitting the ubbers usually?

Also, LEELO hit massive back in the day, not sure if she was already skilled or not...?

I have no REAL data to back it up... I haven't hit anything 5 digits for quite a while now... I only mine, and my skills are around lvl 45, which I guess are decent... but would I be hitting bigger if I were level 20-25? No idea...

And if so... should we all be extracting our skills, closing the account and moving to a new body?

Discuss!
 
Hitting big is no indication of your long term balance in the game.
For active players, it's not enough to just hit big, you need to get to a sustainability point by chasing markup. A good example are the EP4 crafters,with multiple ATHs and still in huge losses in the game.
Consistency in the game in finding and selling markup is the only way to play the game for profit.
 
Hey Evey,

Totally true, and I respect that, but I opened this thread to comment on the actual POSSIBILITY of highly skilled players getting very big multipliers, thus loots AT A SINGLE TIME. I get all the overall loot, bla bla, and how it evens out, but I'm talking purely to share info about.... are you level 60+`and still hit GIANT loot or did you also remember your earlier levels being richer?

Thanks!
 
I hit 2x 5digits hofs in the last 2 years , i hit lvl100 laser(hit) yesterday.
 
AMAZING! Anybody can share similar but for mining and crafting too? I don't care if you don't want to share your setups... any 5 digit is a big multi, so it would count.
 
I have 581k skillpoints and over level 100(Hunting) and never hit a 5 digit hof and also over level 70(Mining).
 
You could just look for a while in the Ubers, ATH and Achivements sections on PCF as well as EL data and eventually you'll find out that possibility of getting an ath is a combination of the click/mob cost and clicks/loot instances quantity.
As for 5digits - the same, but the click/mob cost can be relatively low.

Skills are out of this equation for sure

Probably there are some modifiers cutting multipliers for very high cost clicks/mobs.
 
I first started playing in 2021 and achieved my first 5 digit HOF in April this year and a total of 3 5 digit HOFs.(April, May, August)
When I achieved my first 5 digit HOF, the BLP(dmg) rank was around 120, and the animal looter was in the mid 70 rank.
It is now the BLP(dmg) 159 rank and the animal looter 87 rank.
 
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Your question should be about multipliers, not PED amount. For example, getting a 5-digit HOF on EP4 is pretty common, but you won't see one on EP1.

Big multipliers are 100% luck, 0% skill.


Also Squallx and Leeloo both hit it big in the early pre-2.0 days when anyone could hit it big on almost anything (Leeloo's was unamped), and people were regularly getting 5-digit HOFs on argos. Loot 2.0 made it so output was based on input, so if you want to HOF big you need big input. It's a road to ruin though, as Evey pointed out you should focus on MU not mults.
 
Pi- said:
Ive noticed my friends account getting way higher loots than myself when hunting the same mob with same gear, even though I had close to 40 looter level and they had level 0 they consistently hit bigger than me and had better return after 10k mobs. Maybe its some type of forgiveness system so noobs get tricked into playing longer.
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What about total TT input and return account lifetime? Were you both above or below 90% TT return?

My observation based on my meagre data is that you only global when you are below 90% TT return account life time TT cycled.

Be aware that rake is never paid back, that's the part you shoul cover with MU.

So it is rather correction to your estimated return rather then "bonus". It can be bonus if you have focused on MU.

I too belive you have to lose big and long before or cycle insane amount in matter of short period and constantly lose on that to receive this "correction". In said case it would be similar to normal low and high swing.

Better just to focus on MU and let swings come and go. 🤔🙂
 
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"My observation based on my meagre data is that you only global when you are below 90% TT return account life time TT cycled."

So my biggest hunting loot of 2588 ped in 22 years of playing is because I profit all the time? Ahh now it all makes sense.
 
Could be bias so you see patterns where there are none, that said:
Could be the effect that you only remember the times you picked the slower line so it feels you always pick the slowest.
Could also be that there are more low level people than true ubers, even taking into account the higher cycle.
Could be lower level people tend to gamble more on big mobs, since that leads to big losses, they leave before ever becoming uber.
Could be lower level people use weapons with less efficiency.
Could be lots of ATHs are old from a different system.
Could be skills actually have an effect but I doubt it, its probably all of the above in some combination.
 
Just face North, all other theories are clearly BS, the only thing working is facing North always.
 
Spawn said:
"My observation based on my meagre data is that you only global when you are below 90% TT return account life time TT cycled."

So my biggest hunting loot of 2588 ped in 22 years of playing is because I profit all the time? Ahh now it all makes sense.
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How you came to that conclusion? Didn't i just say opposite? 🤔🙂
 
Contract CH Hunter said:
What about total TT input and return account lifetime? Were you both above or below 90% TT return?

My observation based on my meagre data is that you only global when you are below 90% TT return account life time TT cycled.
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This has to be a case where, accidentally, your overall coincides with the cycle 'defined' per respective cost/attempt. Ofc, with approximation, but pretty much is the case that you're hitting your eV (let's call it that) mainly through swirls. So a much more accurate way to put it would be that (obviously depending on the cathegory, but I would asume a max of 2 ped/killl in your case): non-swirl return will generally hang between 75 and 90%. And then the actual number of the non-swirl return coroborated with the frequency and amplitude of swirls, per cathegories of swirls, would define volatility, and that's the main combo of buttons which MA plays with in regards to tt balance.
 
Nick Co0Lio said:
Hey, lovely EU people :)

So I was just checking out Narcotic's diary and he said 'I'm a highly skilled player, can't hit big loot'... The thing is, I've heard this rumour time and time again... the more skills you get, the less lenient the game is with you, and the more you have to 'work' for your ped. Do you all agree?

I want DATA. As far as I know... this dude SQUALL back in the day, a fat avatar with green hair, he hit a top 10 ATH, and he was skilled before that if not mistaken. Also, aren't Uber crafters the ones hitting the ubbers usually?

Also, LEELO hit massive back in the day, not sure if she was already skilled or not...?

I have no REAL data to back it up... I haven't hit anything 5 digits for quite a while now... I only mine, and my skills are around lvl 45, which I guess are decent... but would I be hitting bigger if I were level 20-25? No idea...

And if so... should we all be extracting our skills, closing the account and moving to a new body?

Discuss!
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You need to remember the more skilled you are at least in crafting the more better average returns you get through success.

I have seen weird stuff with low qr blueprints quite big multipliers but high qr you get more success so system takes this into account which would explain smaller loots. Same kinda thing happened with Alan kron Alan under skilled for weapon at time he hit his massive Uber if I remember correctly.

Mining is yeah mining all about the wave. Yet to even get a 5 digit on that very rare even getting a tower lvl 55 now.
 
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