News: New Treasure Island Deeds

I can't wait to hunt Globster.

Are you planning to release AP-192 Acid (L), so I can try the Stalker ? :)
 
What happens if Deathifier wins his legal appeal? I presume he is appealing...

Would Treasure Island revert back to him if MA are ordered to do so legally? What would then happen to the Treasure Island Deed holders? Would they loose/forfeit their deeds since they don't belong to them anymore?
He is in the state of a Estate Bankrupcy so I guess he is glad if he can gather up every amount of money he can.
This is why I guessed that he will get the "profit" from the selling of TI.
 
@Ludvig|MindArk

Can we rename these deeds to "Treasure Island Transferable Shares" ?

Thanks.
No, make them into deeds, at the crazy price tag they need to be deeds so we can use them as collateral, trade them easy, etc. 😎
If not turned into real deeds, then yes, change the name! 😤
 
Since you are following this thread, i think there is about time you bought back the tier upgrader skills already as promised :)
*brought
*promised
 
800,000 deeds?

So when you half the amount of deeds to 400,000, something like you did with the AG ones anyway, they will actually represent a decent investment.
Until then you are just speculating that, because of the possibility that you will half the amount of deeds, people will buy these deeds or shares or whatever.

So if you are prepared to take a risk on the once again seemingly blatent incompetence of whoever dreams these values up, you may come out ahead...
But will be labeled as stupid until the incompetence is manifested. OR not, if people invest in you halving the shares, and then you don't need to.

That all sounds as garbled as MA's deed/share calculation system.

I'll pass thanks.
 
800,000 deeds?
At least you say that a halving from that would represent a decent investment, so any error in their judgement is only a factor of two or less in your opinion.
Historically, considering ComPet and other offerings which have either failed or not done well so far, that's not a terrible starting point even if you are right.
Some offerings have proven to be well worth the investment, such as CLDs, AUDs, CP shares. Their p2p market values are significantly higher than the original asking prices.

We'll find out soon enough how quickly they fly off the shelves. I doubt many people are even remotely thinking that a halving will be required at some point, but how much will people invest and how many will invest quite a lot? We may not really know enough, but then again, one server area of Caly is a decent size. I LOL-ed at the presentation of which mining finds can be expected there, though ;)

Oh, and clarification of 'all activities' please MA! Does this include crafting there? If not, you will presumably be misleading people by claiming what you have.
 
Mindark, I think that in recent years it's time to question your communication.

You should have auctioned off the lands, we want the community to be able to participate more to make it more fun, I don't think any of your employees are going to be assigned the task of managing these lands and making it really fun.

I think a lot of people would have wanted to acquire a piece of TI through lands and not just through deeds.

I think, I hope for you, that you are following closely what is happening around the blockchain and the next games that are going to be created with NFTs and cryptocurrencies that are ultimately close to the concept of Entropia. Future games that are based on blockchain, will not need to ask about "trust" anymore, at that time you might encounter problems with your lack of transparency and players who can afford to invest several thousands of dollars per month/year will go to this type of platform.

For me, when you ask players to invest in Entropia you have to give the maximum of information to have confidence because we have to take your word for it.

This type of announcement confirms that you want to "kill" the investment of some players who enjoy holding lands etc..

I'm nostalgic for the time when there were nice announcements from time to time, LA, Mall, Asteroid etc..., at that time you were able to create emotion in the players. Now it's like "deposit, buy deeds and shoot shoot shooot shooot shooot shooot.

There are many of us who have loved Entropia for almost 20 years now, I hope that one day you will take a real turn where the community can be more active and especially more creative.

PS : one example, creating one "marina" on TI. From this marina only, boat can be used for fishing for example, and fishing can be used to create some good foods for buffs.
 
Edit: After contemplation, I felt that I shouldn't try to put the words of a long term player, into my own perspective, not that they were in anyway negative towards the player, but I'd rather defer to their experience.

I would hope that the words are heard though.
 
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800,000 deeds?

So when you half the amount of deeds to 400,000, something like you did with the AG ones anyway, they will actually represent a decent investment.
Until then you are just speculating that, because of the possibility that you will half the amount of deeds, people will buy these deeds or shares or whatever.

So if you are prepared to take a risk on the once again seemingly blatent incompetence of whoever dreams these values up, you may come out ahead...
But will be labeled as stupid until the incompetence is manifested. OR not, if people invest in you halving the shares, and then you don't need to.

That all sounds as garbled as MA's deed/share calculation system.

I'll pass thanks.

800k deeds will sell before they are tradeable in March. There will be no halving.
8M peds is all it takes and there is money enough to buy them (on calypso)
Nobody is interested in AC, since we know that PP's other Calypso are not MA's interest.

I'll buy a number of them. Dunno how many yet.
Long term they will do well.
 
800k is the only downside i see, i hoped for years that they would make shares of TI, i bought 1000 of the CP ones ad it was nice to see PEDS every week and not pecs. 500k i could live with, that being sed i will buy a stack :)
 
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...-for-Most-Expensive-Virtual-World-Object.html

In December 2004, Entropia Universe set a world record certified by the Guinness Book of World Records, when it sold a virtual Treasure Island for US $26,500,

so uh, what makes this 'investment' worth more than it was back then Mindark?

Some have already mentioned in this thread the idea of splitting it in half as was done with Ancient Greece investment opportunity recently.

What security is there that something like that won't be reversed and you double the number of deeds?
 
i will buy one just to track and see if i am correctly forecasting 2 pec per week return.
 
I’m going to buy a few hundred. Calypso will always have the most activity and at $10 I will give it a go
 
i will buy one just to track and see if i am correctly forecasting 2 pec per week return.
My guestimate is 1.5 pecs per week for the period after the next Mayhem. Before that and during Mayhem will not be representative, I think, so my temperature monitoring will have to wait a bit.
 
ooops jetsina i inverted the 2 factors. 2% over 10 ped per YEAR is 0.2 Ped per Year or 0.38 pec per week so it is 1 pec every 2 weeks and not 2 pec per week.
apologize, will get more coffee
first days ofc there will be curiosity and someone testing the big monsters (the Daspletor have Analysis in the Codex and MANY ped of it....)
 
@ Evey ehehehe including bhut not all.... i am pretty sure that the "Dagger" one has posted his Daspletor Analysis reward OMG over 90 ped screen.

and yes, this can if managed well be the way to bring the big players from Moloch and Daudarmur back to calypso.
(also it is true.... 10% of player cycle 90% of PED in game) i keep thinking like the noob i am :)
 
So we had a place that was bought by a respected entropian "Deathifier", and well managed for years
Then he suddently disapeared in the biggest shade ever and the place became dead for years.
And now without an explanation on what makes that place, who is owned by someone, comes for sale for 800 k usd (not even mentionning it is part of calypso and is supposed to get a cld payout already!) we are supposed to buy it?

Just call it the "NEW" treasure island and people gonna spend 80kusd?

Who is gonna manage it?
What about mob maturitys , events, density ?
How is the revenue calculated?

Seriously do someone in that company realise how amateurish this annoucment looks like for peoples aiming to gather 80k usd??
It s time to learn from previous failures MA!(invisible armor, AG, crypto, compet....). Time to stop sleeping on ur "forever here" community and make things a bit less shady and a bit more professional.
Many good points there !
I have one too...people (like me) that keep only loosing $ for years (lets not get in to reasons of Loot v75.17, eco, others) are still playing this game (you cant compare it with an online casino, like others do, for the simple reason that on casino you can actually win over the house some times).
Well, might be more than one point :)
 
ooops jetsina i inverted the 2 factors... so it is 1 pec every 2 weeks and not 2 pec per week.
okidoke. My comparison is with AG, which now has 400k shares and my guess is probably a pec paid out most weeks, so close to 5% return per year at 10 peds price. A continued success of the molochs (and gorgs) is a requirement, but the basic maths at the mo is what we have.

That means NTI (at 800k) needs twice the activity of AG currently to pay out close to the 5% mark. It's a full server on Caly, with the potential for a complete range of mobs up to v. high. AG has some higher band players (currently), but other activity seems to be fairly low. Mining may or may not be significantly higher on NTI, and crafting may be something people on Caly choose to do at NTI if it is a confirmed 'activity' that counts towards payouts.

Thus, I'm going with a preliminary estimation of 3x activity compared to AG as it is now, and once things have settled down a bit and we are post Mayhem. This also gives a potential for the open market price to be above the offer price of 10 by about Easter when opened up, but this also
depends on comparative prices of CLDs and AUDs, for example.

Your corrected estimate is now much more pessimistic than mine - and worse than AG at the new share total. If your estimation includes people being pulled away from the AG molochs, then that'd even mean payouts would be bad in both areas in comparison with CLDs and AUDs.
 
I dont know if it's a good idea or not, but to me it's sounds unfair to accept making shares of a Land Area.
Calypso Planet got Calypso Land Deeds
CLD could be turned into → Land Area → Calypso Land Deed X
→ and now allowing a Land Area to split in shares/deeds...

When you know that some planets are not even able to have Land Areas...and also the gap of what calypso is offering compared to what other planets can offer to players is huge...maybe the game should try to high up other planets on a same level of development and favorize Calypso a bit less.
 
I dont know if it's a good idea or not, but to me it's sounds unfair to accept making shares of a Land Area.
Calypso Planet got Calypso Land Deeds
CLD could be turned into → Land Area → Calypso Land Deed X
→ and now allowing a Land Area to split in shares/deeds...

When you know that some planets are not even able to have Land Areas...and also the gap of what calypso is offering compared to what other planets can offer to players is huge...maybe the game should try to high up other planets on a same level of development and favorize Calypso a bit less.
Other planets should not exist at all. Only troubles.
 
CLD could be turned into → Land Area → Calypso Land Deed X
→ and now allowing a Land Area to split in shares/deeds...
For that first part it's quite ok I think, because the X marked the difference between CLDs used to claim plots of land (not the same as land areas by far) and still unused CLDs. Thus CLDs could not be used multiple times to 'claim' those land plots. The bad thing is that plot development was then terrible, with only one building possible via building 'stages', then vegatable boxes also in stages and last set of steps growing fruit as mats for weaps that 'dried out'. Doing this got you some development points, but no further buildings ever showed up!

The second part - the removal of LAs and the selling of revenue rights to 50% of the revenue - seems to me something that is only half owned by Caly in the first place. CLD holders have rights to 50% of Caly's revenue from all lands too, including that which is being sold off into the 800k of shares block. I have not yet seen any replies about paying CLD holders for this half chunk of a server area that is being sold.
Alternatively, Caly will own none of the NTI at all (would have ZERO stake), and future revenue will be split 50%-50% between CLD holders who would then still own half and NTI holders owning the other half. Nobody at all would be in charge of organising any events on those lands, not even in theory (CP at least has a revenue stream theoretically set aside for this).

This lack of clarity is really annoying, but not new in the slightest. Sometimes MA have indeed provided further and useful information in light of the questions raised, and have stated there will be further info provided, determined by a 'willingness' on their part!
 
Might have missed it, but who is the "planet partner" receiving th other 50% of the income ?
And also...how will it be (mis)managed ?
Same as Crystal Palace where simply somebody drops some fertilzer every now and then ?
Where "share holders" have now actual voting rights?

And yeah, would also like to know what happened to Deathfier.
No offense, but without hearing some official statement from the previous owner this deal sounds really fishy.
 
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