Over 2k for land deeds.

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I was MIA for a while and when I last played CLD's were around 1750 each. Todays market shows me they are well over 2k each. Is this because people buy them and instead of being patient and waiting on positive returns they sell them for a bit higher over and over again?

I could be happy with the 1750 price tag but over 2k each maybe my grand kids would see positive returns :laugh:
 

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welcome back :) you were certainly gone a long time if u remember cld's at 1750. prolly haven't seen under 2k in over 3 years.
 

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As this game continues to live on the price of CLDs will likely continue to increase. CLDs have proven themselves to be a stable investment.

This is something many other deeds/shares/player funds have NOT proven to do. Thus, people keep buying them and demand has been stable.

If you liquidate your uber gear and you don't withdraw, you may as well park that PED in something that will provide return. I think that plays a large role.

As to the cap on CLD prices, who knows. 2.5k or 3k? Time will tell.

My :twocents:
 

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It really doesn't help that the new Iron mission system Codex only exists on Calypso right now.

It's possible that when Codex is introduced to Ark and RT, there is an exodus of players from Caly and due to low payouts, CLD price tanks and drops back down to below 1800 each...
 

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As for the price of CLD. It has been driven up by two players with which I question if they are the same person.
Multiple listings of 2200+ by them and a few others above that seem suspicious.

I agree that it is the best in paying out but as price increases, you are about to hit AUD profit levels.

Not saying I am going to sell mine for lower. Just that it makes it harder to invest further knowing that I bought it way cheaper. Last week it was 1950.
 

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A lot of construed information I see being spread in this thread.

Firstly, @above poster. In last 1 month at least i have not seen the price of CLD < 2k. I honestly don't remember it happening in last 6 months either. It has been trading in the band of 2050-2200 and i do track CLD as it is to EU what Bitcoin is to crypto.

Also comparing it to AUD is not possible because even at 2400-2500 ped price it gives better ROI then AUD at 67-68 peds. So it is still discounted. However, the ticket size of AUD makes it much more accessible.

Neither of these deeds can be compared to CP shares etc either. One thing deeds provide which shares do not is the ability to use the deeds as tools of mortgage or as form of collateral. From personal experience, that holds a lot of value in context of EU. ( Subjective assessment based on my own personal experience)

While i will not make an assessment on whether the current price of CLD is justified or not, we also need to remember that upwards of 30%+ of the total CLD's is owned by a single entity. However, a drop in price of CLD due to flooding of deeds will cause a cascade effect on every other share/deed in the system and as such considering that entity has deep ties with MA management, I do not foresee it coming to pass. ( Speculative and subjective content so please treat it with appropriate amount of salt)

Disclosure : At the time of the posting, I do not own any CLD's.
 

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Let's walk through the situation.

2466 (sold today) / 70 (AH price) = (so 35 aud)
Assuming AUD gets .01 (per day like it has without the fluctuation) x 7 = .07
.07 x 35 = 2.45

Any increase in profit from AUD puts it well over CLD. (which we have seen this week)

CLD at 2466 has been getting average 4 PED lately.
So yes, CLD is the better constant investment due to beginner location. Think that will stay the same?
Arkadia is a better starting planet all around.

Controlling interest of a item means they can manipulate the price of it, which we have seen.
That is when you start questioning whether it is a TOU violation due to misleading or deceptive. I question whether the two main sellers of CLD are the same person.
 
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Let's walk through the situation.

2466 (sold today) / 70 (AH price) = (so 35 aud)
Assuming AUD gets .01 (per day like it has without the fluctuation) x 7 = .07
.07 x 35 = 2.45

Any increase in profit from AUD puts it well over CLD. (which we have seen this week)

CLD at 2466 would has been getting average 4 PED.
So yes, CLD is the better constant investment due to beginner location. Think that will stay the same?
Arkadia is a better starting planet all around.

Controlling interest of a item means they can manipulate the price of it, which we have seen.
That is when you start questioning whether it is a TOU violation due to misleading or deceptive. I question whether the two main sellers of CLD are the same person.
CLD pairs can be seen at https://www.entropialoot.com/Exchange.aspx
 

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Let's walk through the situation.

2466 (sold today) / 70 (AH price) = (so 35 aud)
Assuming AUD gets .01 (per day like it has without the fluctuation) x 7 = .07
.07 x 35 = 2.45

Any increase in profit from AUD puts it well over CLD. (which we have seen this week)

CLD at 2466 would has been getting average 4 PED.
So yes, CLD is the better constant investment due to beginner location. Think that will stay the same?
Arkadia is a better starting planet all around.

Controlling interest of a item means they can manipulate the price of it, which we have seen.
That is when you start questioning whether it is a TOU violation due to misleading or deceptive. I question whether the two main sellers of CLD are the same person.
Average payout for a deed/week is 3.538PED (source = https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xMg4sasSqyA5i2sSO7UQBFimTW45Tw1swjFtq7-hRhg/edit?pli=1&pli=1#gid=0)
The same sheet shows a 5.63% ROI for year 2020 at 2.3k PED/deed, when investing you need to look at the whole picture.

When investing in something, in the end it's all about ROI, otherwise it's for the biased reasons.
 

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Average payout for a deed/week is 3.538PED (source = https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xMg4sasSqyA5i2sSO7UQBFimTW45Tw1swjFtq7-hRhg/edit?pli=1&pli=1#gid=0)
The same sheet shows a 5.63% ROI for year 2020 at 2.3k PED/deed, when investing you need to look at the whole picture.

When investing in something, in the end it's all about ROI, otherwise it's for the biased reasons.
i am no stock broker but cant you get better ROI (dividends) on owing real life stock in good companies and actually own what you pay for and get what you pay for? plus possible capital appreciation?
 

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i am no stock broker but cant you get better ROI (dividends) on owing real life stock in good companies and actually own what you pay for and get what you pay for? plus possible capital appreciation?
MSCI world has a yearly average of 9% and outperforms every asset in this game. not to mention that assets in this game tend to lose value over the long run and on top of that its an insane high risk "invetsment" as it could possibly go to zero value if MA files bankruptcy.
msci world will probably never go to zero considering it contains like the 1500 largest business in the world.

i dont get anyone stupid enough to invest inside a videogame.
 

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MSCI world has a yearly average of 9% and outperforms every asset in this game. not to mention that assets in this game tend to lose value over the long run and on top of that its an insane high risk "invetsment" as it could possibly go to zero value if MA files bankruptcy.
msci world will probably never go to zero considering it contains like the 1500 largest business in the world.

i dont get anyone stupid enough to invest inside a videogame.
Did you forget we are playing a game? Of course stock in the real world world will outperform.
It is based on the availability of people to buy and sell the stock that drives it up. Half the time, stock prices aren't even based on the company you are investing in. People try to relate it to business economics, gross sales / product produced, whether something bad is happening, etc. Reality, it is a pot and it goes up when people buy higher and goes down when they short or continue selling off. Have the same risk for any company you invest in. (my job btw)

Thing is, this game is easier to manipulate than real world stock. Just takes two accounts with large quantities. Buy and sell between the two.. lose 10 ped ah fee on CLD and the price is slowly increased on market value tab. (misleading / deceptive..) Owner of the accounts just loses a little ped but can set on a general increase in price with which they sell their product high. (withdrawn from game or possibly reinvested)

MA has limitations preventing large deposits in the game unless transferred directly to their bank in Sweden. They have long withdraw time limits to investigate and make sure TOU wasn't violated and that they have the cash to do so. (Likely rather have evidence of wrong doing and not have to pay it out)
 
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Did you forget we are playing a game? Of course stock in the real world world will outperform.
It is based on the availability of people to buy and sell the stock that drives it up. Half the time, stock prices aren't even based on the company you are investing in. People try to relate it to business economics, gross sales / product produced, whether something bad is happening, etc. Reality, it is a pot and it goes up when people buy higher and goes down when they short or continue selling off. (my job btw)
there a lot more to it then just that - at least i hope for the entire financial sector's sake! taking educated guess based on available info if more how i think the pros do their job. and yes i know its a game but it is still real $ so not a game in that respect. a casino - sure that it is.

[/QUOTE] Thing is, this game is easier to manipulate than real world stock. Just takes two accounts with large quantities. Buy and sell between the two.. lose 10 ped ah fee on CLD and the price is slowly increased on market value tab. (misleading / deceptive..) Owner of the accounts just loses a little ped but can set on a general increase in price with which they sell their product high. (withdrawn from game or possibly reinvested)[/QUOTE]

exactly my point - ROI should reflect that risk - 20% would be more correct for the risk. which is why (if i recall right) the advertised % was "up to 30%" when MA issued the deeds - i could be off on the %

[/QUOTE]MA has limitations preventing large deposits in the game unless transferred directly to their bank in Sweden. They have long withdraw time limits to investigate and make sure TOU wasn't violated and that they have the cash to do so. (Likely rather have evidence of wrong doing and not have to pay it out)[/QUOTE]

yet MA lets anything go so long as it is not them losing $- just look at all the 24 hour a day accounts, market manipulators still in game etc.... and people still say its an investment - i guess it is in a way but 6% - prrrft
 

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It does seem that CLDs ended up being an ongoing investment when their use in Land Plots became clearly useless. I wish I had kept my CLDx now.
 
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