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OgiMini

OgiMini

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My idea is to value the Calypso Land Deeds as time goes by.

Time will be divided in 2 parts


Part 1 will run now. And wil end when Calypso Land Deeds stop having unlimited offer by the game company.


Part 2 wil run after that.


SO questions i have in mind:


The promissed divident payout range that was promised.
The actual dividend.

Calypso Land Area Deeds when they are sold outside aution Are worth more or less than 1k.

Should second hand sellers consider the revenues or part, as discont to the price or should they sale at higer value becouse they will have an unknown revenue weekly?


Dont forget to input the value u consider to be worth at this moment the Calypso Land Deeds!
As well as your considerations


Calypso Land Deeds ARE WORTH
975
977
981
984
982
983
984
905
879
976
889
839
CLDS SOLD OUT
1155
1298
1130
1150
1099
1099
1112
1100
1110
1160
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*1105.00*​


Value reflects inputs,obervation and my opinion.
Or u just can call me OgiMoody's:)
 
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The deeds are worth 0TT value :)

~Danimal
 
reopen teh thread after 6 monhts.
sometimes I wonder if after 5-6 years of playing EU people loose their minds.
;)
 
OgiMini said:
The promissed divident payout range that was promised.
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This is incorrect. They made no such promise. They gave an estimate and also said this:
The success and profitability of the planet will determine the revenue received as a land lot deed holder. If Calypso becomes more popular, the ROI will be higher; similarly, if the popularity of Calypso decreases, the ROI would also decrease.
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As long as all 60k haven't been sold, there it makes little sense to talk about MU.

But on the other hand, since the sales are somewhat slower than anticipated (at least by me), one must estimate the value to be below 1k PED.
 
If the payout is 5-10 years for the 1k (probably closer to 5), holding the deeds longer than that will only bring more income later on. This is not a short term investment... but if MA sticks around 60 years or more, this could be very lucrative.

Hopefully they won't change the wording on the deeds after the 1k is paid back making them useless paperweights.

Resellers will always try to get highest amount of peds they can... unfortunately. The question should be who will be silly enough to pay more than the 1k?
 
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Audrey Cheerful said:
Isn't the TT value 0.01 PECs or something? Just like a bottle of sweat?
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0.001 actually, but otherwise correct.

1/1000 PEC is the lowest amount possible in game. Sweat, stones, fruit and such make use of this.
 
GeorgeSkywalker Thks for point that out, i used the worng word.Lets say that was a expectation .

Nevertheless buyers when buying use that and the actual payout as reference.


Zacarias, in factmakes sence to talk about price even when the 60K are available, Just becouse there is in fcat price movement and sellers sell it less them 1k all the time here in the forum you can conform that.


Like you said what i want to do here is ESTIMATE the current value.
In my opinion atm price is less tham 800, but when suppli stops price probably wil recover fast
 
OgiMini said:
GeorgeSkywalker Thks for point that out, i used the worng word.Lets say that was a expectation .

Nevertheless buyers when buying use that and the actual payout as reference.


Zacarias, in factmakes sence to talk about price even when the 60K are available, Just becouse there is in fcat price movement and sellers sell it less them 1k all the time here in the forum you can conform that.


Like you said what i want to do here is ESTIMATE the current value.
In my opinion atm price is less tham 800, but when suppli stops price probably wil recover fast
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:silly2: If anyone is selling them at 800 Ped/Each...I'll take 2 (after all they're small) :tongue2:
 
Hey,

why do you value them at 800? (real question, real curiosity, not beeing sarcastic or anything!)

The fact that some deeds are sold for 995 or 990 is just cuz it doesn't make sense to sell them for 1k cuz people can buy them with less afford on auction, let alone sell them for more cuz of obvious reasons.


I think the price will go up right after all are sold. and then maybe even go up to 2k for a short time and then settle at ~1600. I think this cuz then the ROI will be ~17%, which i think is reasonable with the risks involved, and cuz of all the calculations about CLDs vs. Highend Gear. A lot of other reasons and thoughts play into this but as everyone here i'm just expessing my thoughts and have no proof what so ever. Just my feeling and some educated guessing.


Best Regards
Thark
 
pretty sure there are ppl that would buy them at 1000ped even if the ROI settled somewhere at 15-25%.
 
Isclay said:
:silly2: If anyone is selling them at 800 Ped/Each...I'll take 2 (after all they're small) :tongue2:
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i dont say that they ARE worth 800 ped:) its my estimate only.

also i knowpeople that sold less than that (way less) and in blocks of 20 and 30, but not importnat becouse one sale dosent make the price.


Thark, how ui know the roi wil be 17%?
 
OgiMini said:
i dont say that they ARE worth 800 ped:) its my estimate only.

also i knowpeople that sold less than that (way less) and in blocks of 20 and 30, but not importnat becouse one sale dosent make the price.
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I can buy all yours at 850 Ped, even if you have 1000 deeds ;)
 
OgiMini said:
i dont say that they ARE worth 800 ped:) its my estimate only.
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yes, but based on what? a calculated analysis or random number in the air - why not 600 or 1200? one could say they are worth 1500 if you accept a lower ROI. given they are sellling at aution price of 1000, thats clearly the value right now.
 
aridash said:
yes, but based on what? a calculated analysis or random number in the air - why not 600 or 1200? one could say they are worth 1500 if you accept a lower ROI. given they are sellling at aution price of 1000, thats clearly the value right now.
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Need more inputs. other than i buy all of your deeds bla bla.
 
value of a deed comes from demand. Right now all demand can be satisfied by the factory (MA). which sells at a constant price regardless of demand. Once the supply is exhausted then the ratio of offer/demand will determine the price. Right now it's 1000 ped.
Personally I will think of buying one after seeing MA's financial report and also seeing the return from them over a longer period...say 6 months? not going to spend a substantial sum without thoroughly waiting for clear results
 
OgiMini said:
Need more inputs.
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what input is required other than the anticipated ROI? the valuation should be based off this, not the market price. like shares (though its not a share), where the valuation is determined by the future earnings and potential growth of earnings, or bonds (though its not a bond), where the valuation is based on the fixed coupon with a adjustment for the liklihood of default.
 
20,000 Sold at 1K each so far which is a 1/3 of the total (discounting some re-selling and buying by people who don't click on Global auction)

200-400 per day selling so I'd say they are worth 1k each, and will likely go up to 1200-1500 when MA have listed them all. We'll see in 4 months or however long it is until they've all gone.

I view them as "mini-land areas" that most Entropian's can afford.
 
OgiMini said:
What do you mean?
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He meant that after 6 years of playing u stop counting on ATH to get your money back lost in....hm...lets call it "skiling process to uberness". So after that time u seeking lands, deed or some uber items wchich may gain in value to recover losses ( last one less possible ). We saw that here and there on few ubers whose records on trackers becomes less and less, and they apeared in game less and less often. They end up with tie, and without skill, hoping games survive long enough to alow them recoup with their great 3% annually investments.
 
aridash said:
what input is required other than the anticipated ROI? the valuation should be based off this, not the market price. like shares (though its not a share), where the valuation is determined by the future earnings and potential growth of earnings, or bonds (though its not a bond), where the valuation is based on the fixed coupon with a adjustment for the liklihood of default.
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Good that u gave the example about shares.. u know that only in definition shares are valued by future earnmings and potemncial... alot more is set by speculation.

about thhe anticipated Rpi, its not met atm, its lower so perceived price can be also
right?


Mega said:
I view them as "mini-land areas" that most Entropian's can afford.
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Agree on that 100% and belive also that it will impact LA value also

I remember talking anout share market in 2004 when there was terminals ingame but think noone anticipated that this would be like it is now
 
My tought´s

How old is calypso ? who are doing competitor to this game (heard only1 wich have failed in most cases where calypso thrives, and not1 newcompany has announced to my ears) ? att these days more more and ppl get unnemployed = stay att home (imo).. i have seen calypsos past 2 years and the development is huuuge.
how long does an average rpg take to develope ? according to that i somehow feel there wont be a serious competitor that takes players from MA in wery long time. and seriously i think this game is wery hard to find whitout p2p advertice
i have like soo many friends that has never heard of a mmropg wher u can make money.. :smoke:

damm il shut now :laugh:
 
Nano said:
i have like soo many friends that has never heard of a mmropg wher u can make money.. :smoke:
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I haven't heard of one either ;)



Regards
Thark
 
very valid point and on topic ones.

Inst all this what makes the value of the cld form?

IMO one of the weak points evre from this universe is the lack of mainstream advertizing

even now a time of crises would bring enormous qttys of new players, justbecouse in crises alchool and game always rise. a % of that newcomers will always stay even if a low % if the sample is big that low % is imense.

CLD reflect the ROI of the game (they say) Roi is afceted by this ckind of issues.

this faults makes me believe the price is presssed down
 
Hi OgiMini

I say it depends who u ask and how u count it. there is ppl that value currency differently than others.
i dont want to stress my head whit that question.
 
Alot of them seem to be changing hands at 985 easly.
thoughts?
 
OgiMini said:
Alot of them seem to be changing hands at 985 easly.
thoughts?
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Players buying at 1000 Ped and fancy doing a little hunt / mine or crafting session perhaps?


Liquidising assets in same way as loans to the in-game bank.
 
Well it isn't easy to sell higher than 1000 since u can still get them from MindArk so a few being sold lower right now doesn't tell much really. I know i am buying any that i see being sold even 1 ped lower than 1000 when i have the peds. ;)
 
Thats why i say pressure in on price to go down.

ans not a few changiung hands, in fact there are some players buying 200 for 985 and it was 50 in the week start.
I ask my self this question.

Would u pay the same amount today at 23.00 and later a few hours? Meaning after the dividend is payed the value mantains?

I think not, my opinion is that it lowers every week until MA suply stops
 
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