Stop you right there. According to who? Why do you say the mu is +160? Based on what? The last sale? The weekly? Monthly? Yearly...? This is a very subjective thing imo.
I have people contact me who have armor for sale, to give an example, they have Mayhem armor to sell, right before Mayhem starts. That's usually when the price is the highest on auction because of scarcity. So naturally, they want me to pay the weekly mu... No way Jose, I'd be an idiot to pay that, because in a week or so, price will be back down to more normal levels.
I hate when people say "The mu is..." What do you mean!? What are you saying??? What you're really saying is "Based on what I am looking at, I FEEL the mu is 'blah'" Well let me tell you something, what you FEEL and what I FEEL can and often ARE very different things my friend.
Noted to not buy from you as you make numbers and MU up depending on what way the wind hits your hair on that particular day then. Which is not what you meant,
but Joking aside, daily weekly and monthly MU is a pretty given thing to go by especially for higher volume items, while its not the highest of volumes going through in this post sinec its the A102 it had a daily last time i looked but has since gone past the 24H mark so its now "weekly", the daily was 159.xx something I simply rounded up to 160, and the weekly is still over 160 and monthly almost at 170 (rounded up to nearest whole number without .xx)
What does this mean? Well it means that anyone, including the angry ignoring guy, can see these things and assume they can aim at making as much. Why he however had it on auction for as low as he did who knows, but the numbers mean that is what people will at least aim to get.
Obviously does not work for items that sell rarely, such as a lot of weapons, or armors especially, but also other rarely seen items, prices there range from being overpriced, to underpriced and. and so many factors counter in that it is very much subjective like you said. It purely depends on how much someone wants something, how rare is it? is it a collectors piece? is it a highly saught after item that can and will pull a lot of numbers or bidwars if people knew? list goes on.
But in the A102's case, its neither rare, or sells rarely. it sells daily and weekly, and in monthly accumulates more than enough sales to gauge a non subjective value to look at. So no, its not according to anything more than looking at the quite decent amount of sales it has had ingame. using the same tools we all have available.
#1 Avalon is not 'crying', he is just commenting on the shear absurdity of this guy 'ignoring' him in game for such a trivial thing. That's not crying, that's remarking, pointing out an absurdity. All Avalon was doing was asking a question, that's it.
#2 I don't consider Avalon a trader, most of his time goes towards actual game play and he has done a lot of streaming and organizing activities in game. A trader to me is someone that spends most of his time buying and selling, almost to the exclusion of all other game activities. I would add that everybody in Entropia needs to find ways to make a little profit here and there in the game, otherwise it's not sustainable, so hunters hunt for mu for example, who do you think those hunters get that mu from? Does that make them traders? If yes then everyone in Entropia is a trader.
#3 There's nothing wrong with paying less then market value for an item, I just bought an amp from a soc member roughly 200-300 ped under "mu", the deal was good for him cause the amp hadn't sold on auction and he didn't want to risk it not selling again (cost him 35 ped to list the first time) and I saw enough margin there for me to turn around and make a little profit by selling in the shop. This kind of deal happens ALL THE TIME, deal with it man.
1. I do not think you know what it means when someone says "Crying". A more accurate term would be, "talk about in a confused matter" or "bewildered" Or poinint out the absurdity like you said. It has been a fairly common internet slang to say someone is crying when they point out something that is pretty much a given that they are not completely correct. You're crying about me posting something you dont fully understand and thus are not correct about, I'm now crying to you because i am wrong about something and you know it.. You get the drift, nothing more nothing less.
2. Yes, a trader is someone who largely only does buy and resell. hence my prior joke of "will offer you 1 ped and in the same breath resell for 1000". I know avalon is not that. While i too know avalon, does not do it as bad as others. He is the reason that when i now see someone buying items i know he has flipped, and i know traders often do flip, i will give them a poke and give them pointers of what the item they are looking to buy tends to go for, what will make a item be worth a little over what it tends to sell for (based on ingame prices, as well as just simple research to see what people ask for items and what seems to sell and what does not), what will make them able to bargain for a lower price, etc. And that if they have patience they can save several hundred if not a thousand or more peds...
3. you can't compare selling a item for several hundreds under MU to a friend as a realistic scenario anyone could ever expect from a stranger. I've helped friends too selling stuff under MU, but that is something I would do purely for a friend, and i would never do that to a person i do not know. I know it happens all the time, and i respect that people, and traders play the game the way they do. I just dont like to see when they take advantage of people who don't know better. someone i know, bought a Zero Three for 4k and thought they had gotten a good deal, for example. Which it obviously isnt. Cudos to the trader, but that is the kind of stuff that makes my skin crawl and makes me, like i said, give people pointers free of charge so that they perhaps don't fall for trader traps. Just to calm you, I've not specifically seen avalon set trader traps, but he did try to lure me when i was looking for a item... I can respect the opertunistic approach, i have nothing against it more than not liking it. And hey, its ok to not like something, try to do something against it without being a dick. So i poke people who say wtb, perhaps i get to them before trade traps do, perhaps not.
I really like all the people who said "Why would you pm someone when their item is on the AH, when he stated multiple times the conversation happened before he even checked the AH
Avalon did not state he PMed him AFTER it was deliberately put on auction, rather just indicated it was on auction, unkown to him at the time he PMed the guy.
The talk at least in most terms to what i've replied, has not been all that aimed at after or before as aimed just at the numbers themselves. As well as the sort of odd way to handle it from mr aggro (who clearly woke up and stepped in cow shit) and avalon (who should realize gross undercuts no matter if you know or not if mr aggro already discounted it, can make people annoyed)