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Angela Draniie Cloud said:
Are you counting the "year of the dragon" That was hardly an event and the cycling was not a lot at all. Gold Rush, yes, but once again that was 2023.
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Buddy, you are talking about pre-covid times and all time lows and then "this year" argument, not me...read your own posts, cheers and goodbye.
 
Bubba Crowley said:
Buddy, you are talking about pre-covid times and all time lows and then "this year argument, not me...read your own posts, cheers and goodbye.
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I stated 2 very different things. The one is the cycling and the other was Historical for CLDs.


I made two SEPARATE statements used to talk about how low cycling has been. You have done LITERALLY nothing to contribute to this conversation or provide any insightful pieces of information.

Take a little bit more time to slow down and read.

I used this year as the lowest point is cycling SINCE covid started.

And I sued the Dividends of CLDs ALL TIME to show that this isn't great cycling historically either.

TWO DIFFERENT STATEMENTS.
 
Should at least removed their right to claim a rare token if you ask me. They would still participated anyways for normal tokens / mu / legacy box's potentially get rare tokens anyways. Appears you can be too big to fail in this game by the looks.
 
Charlie|MindArk said:
We feel like its better to let them redo it with lost progress if they want to so they can still partake in the economic aspect of the event which helps everyone else who are selling resources and such. There is no need to punish everyone else for their and our mistake.
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This is really a gray line as long as the repeat exploit offenders do not get the mildest sentence the next time they find an exploit and benefit from it.
How else will you guys deter people from exploiting if the punishment is never severe?

It's like a group of 20 something exploiters all agreed, as long as it's all of us they can't afford (revenue wise) to give us a severe enough punishment to outweigh the risk of getting caught exploiting so we might as well try it this time and roll the dice, this time it rolled in their favor with minimal punishment.
Should never let a select group of players hold that kind of power over you guys, they may even get more bold next time they find an exploit, judging by the punishment they received this time.

In my opinion as some others have mentioned, a more just punishment would be to let them lose right to earn the rare token this resource mayhem.
Resetting the progress for them does nothing really, just a few days lost in progress. Losing the rare token chance to get this time would mean they would think twice about doing this in the future.
If you guys are worried of potential revenue consequences on the short term from these guys if they boycott playing for a little while for such a punishment, it's very likely they will continue to play since these players most likely know how to profit anyhow, basically call their bluff.
The long term consequences is far more scary if you ask me, if you do not give more severe punishments for exploiting in the future.

Just my two pecs.
 
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I'm not really aware of all this story, but why not fixing the bug instead of banning the players exploiting it ?
 
@Charlie|MindArk

This is par for the course. Lenient punishment will always send the message that people should try their hardest to cheat and exploit because, what's the worst that can happen? 3 day ban? that's easy cake compared to the potential rewards if they didn't get caught.

This is why an increasing number of players keep botting, traping, exploiting, griefing, auto-aiming, alt-accounting, abusing auction orders, scamming, ... it's clear Mindark only cares about their bottom line.

I wish you could understand how damaging this will get for the game sooner or later.
 
Angel O2 Mercer said:
@Charlie|MindArk

This is par for the course. Lenient punishment will always send the message that people should try their hardest to cheat and exploit because, what's the worst that can happen? 3 day ban? that's easy cake compared to the potential rewards if they didn't get caught.

This is why an increasing number of players keep botting, traping, exploiting, griefing, auto-aiming, alt-accounting, abusing auction orders, scamming, ... it's clear Mindark only cares about their bottom line.

I wish you could understand how damaging this will get for the game sooner or later.
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The sad thing is that people thought it was around 3 persons at first. And as of today, We know that it is - at least - 20.
 
Thanks for the communication.

Please focus on new player acquisition and retention so we can start to displace the top player cycles with small/medium player cycles and not be held hostage by these players because they are the main revenue contributors.

5000 monthly active players on each planet should be the floor.
 
Let's reverse the situation: suppose every other player in the game gets the task of collecting the 1,000-ped gem automaticly completed, while those 20 players are required to accomplish it once more.

Would the experienced members of the forum community find this approach agreeable?
 
I thought cheating in the past would ban you from the event, the yog people got it far worse...were they not as large of players? Wonder how many were involved again...

The last goldrush event where people were able to stop the clock and wait for the boss mobs was a huge sign cheating/exploiting is now okay as long as your pocket book is large enough.

The people defending cheaters/exploiters here makes me laugh though. You might as well come out and say "It's only okay if i know them"
 
some people just need the approval of the "pros", dont give a shit about right or wrong, so theyl never side with the side that has no power and cant help them profit, theyl always aim for that ass, the "brain fart" becomes just an regular fart, attracting the asscrawlers who now fight for their new nest, hoping that one day, the "pro" will acknowledge them, it is the destiny of the self absorbed
 
Charlie|MindArk said:
We feel like its better to let them redo it with lost progress if they want to so they can still partake in the economic aspect of the event which helps everyone else who are selling resources and such. There is no need to punish everyone else for their and our mistake.
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wtf ,
seriously thats your answer, there is so much wrong with that statement alone,

what i read there is ,yes we know there cheating pricks, yes we know they have done it before, yes they will do it again ,yes there stinking rich so we wont make and example out of them we will slap em on the wrist and pretend like we are doing something, but really your taking a bribe and letting them spend it again to get the prize when they are no longer entitled to play for so MA can make more peds from them .

for one you as MA have already punished us as the majority of non exploiting players for all of the lost prizes and items that were ment for people who played for them without cheating ,you are continuing to let this happen by 1. not banning after mutli times exploiting the game , 2 .not restricting there participation lvl after the cheat on the same event . 3. not actually doing your jobs properly and testing for exploits or fixing the exploits or bugs when they are raised to the company from us players , how long have macro boting being going on so easy to stop , how long has exploits of this nature been going on so easy to stop.
MA you want the economy security and safety of your game to survive then listen to us the players and do what we say we are the life blood of EU .
 
Charlie|MindArk said:
Since there are a lot of questions and discussion around recent events here is some follow up information in one place instead of spread out answers in multiple threads.
Around 20 players were temp banned for the exploit with the "Gemologist" bonus mission. Warnings were also handed out to some not directly benefiting from it but with some level of involvement.
If a rare token was gained it has been taken away.
Those who completed the Gemologist mission this way have had it uncompleted.
If they want to get the rare token they will have to abandon their active Gemologist mission and the main Resource Mayhem mission in order to activate Gemologist again when they pick up the main mission. Once they have all bonus missions completed and 10000+ points they can receive the rare token from support.

As for questions regarding randomly getting banned for things you don't know are an exploit or not. We look things over closely and don't punish unless it's clear that it's intentional and not something accidental and whether the player reports it as a bug/exploit/concern. Not everyone who had anything to do with a gem and pvp was banned, such as only dying with a gem and never looting one.

For some more positive stuff:

Gems were made a bit more common with the start of the event, not by a huge amount but it is a bit easier than it has been in the past as to not be insanely difficult to complete during the event time.

Four players have gained the rare token (legitimately) so far.

The 3 most completed bonus missions are: Extract resources >Tier 3 Orders > Nanocubes
The 3 least completed bonus missions are: Refine Gemstones >Tier 1 Orders > Gemologist

Amount of Mayhem tokens in game have increased by 3.7% since event start.

The most crafted items since event start are (by TT value of items created, not count):
Explosive Projectiles > D-Class Mining Amp (L) > Level 5 Finder Amplifier (L) > Shrapnel > ArMatrix Extender P20 (L) > ArMatrix Extender P15 (L) > Terra Amp 6 (L) > Tech Gizmo 8 > ArMatrix LP-15 (L) > Terra Amp 8 (L) > Simple 1 Conductors.
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so let me get this straight ,, it takes 2 people to make a 3rd yeah ,, it takes 2 people to tango , it also takes 2 people to exploit the game like that one has the gem the other shoots to loot , ether way both parties are fully aware there actions are exploits so both should receive the ban ,,, sorry slap on the wrist how the fuk is the one who didn't loot it and less guilty of the exploit then the other looting it ?
 
Charlie|MindArk said:
We feel like its better to let them redo it with lost progress if they want to so they can still partake in the economic aspect of the event which helps everyone else who are selling resources and such. There is no need to punish everyone else for their and our mistake.
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Thank you for those words, Charlie. (y)

Human beings make mistakes.

Not all human beings own up to them.

/respect
 
SamanthaFlynn said:
Thank you for those words, Charlie. (y)

Human beings make mistakes.

Not all human beings own up to them.

/respect
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Well, I agree if you talk about MA staff.
If you talk about the cheaters, some people make the same "mistake" (abusing or trying to abuse game mechanics) over and over and over again, and will try to do it some more, if the punishment is not severe enough. Proof: they even have the audacity to come here and ask for the same rights, they have no shame so will try again, given the opportunity.
 
Count0 said:
Well, I agree if you talk about MA staff.
If you talk about the cheaters, some people make the same "mistake" (abusing or trying to abuse game mechanics) over and over and over again, and will try to do it some more, if the punishment is not severe enough. Proof: they even have the audacity to come here and ask for the same rights, they have no shame so will try again, given the opportunity.
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Yeah...I was talking about MA's end of this, specifically where Charlie wrote "our mistake".
 
does MA realize that many of us have stopped depositing and certainly not much as what we used to .

whys that because were getting sloppy seconds or nothing at all which is more the case i guess , there getting used to living off the same stench of exploited peds and items some people are unknowingly buying and supporting ,,

think about this for a sec you get rid of the repeated bad eggs ,the lesser bad eggs will pull there heads out of there asses quick smart . then the whole fukin community will gain a lil respect back from all the crap decisions MA has made to the game affecting us as players and the way we play as a whole.
Maybe just maybe then they get to save there main population of dedicated players who comit every single fukiing day to bettering the game and actually providing the confidence in us to start depositing the way we used to ,therefore providing to the economy in a positive way and paying your wages as per usual.

BALLS in your court MA do u have the fuking fortitude the guts and drive to fix this monumental fukup of yours .

WOT SAY YOU !
 
FunkyFishy said:
does MA realize that many of us have stopped depositing and certainly not much as what we used to .
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You are 100% correct and apparently MA doesn't care, I've been saying the same thing for years. It seems mindark is ok with having just a handful of very big depositors+grinders and their focus is in keeping them happy.
 
Count0 said:
The audacity.... You didn`t learn anything, did you?
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Clearly cheating/bending rules pays that's my take from this or it's at least worth the risk. 1 person as far as we know will be seriously hurt by this as he has to do the whole mission again but the 19 others how exactly far through the mission were they?

This is why removing their right to that rare token will send a message to everyone else the above won't tolerated and has lasting consequences to those involved regardless of your cycle size depo size and sets a level playing field.

I just find it some what baffling that how brazen some are although I'm sure their trolling because it isn't very smart as it will bring focus on yourself unless you got ma in your back pocket which I doubt you do.

Don't see any point adding further comments to this thread decision been made now and no doubt will have lasting consequences.
 
FunkyFishy said:
does MA realize that many of us have stopped depositing and certainly not much as what we used to .
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Can you share the data you used for this conclusion. Will be interested to see the trended view you must have access to.

Thanks
 
slick27 said:
This is why removing their right to that rare token will send a message to everyone else the above won't tolerated and has lasting consequences to those involved regardless of your cycle size depo size and sets a level playing field.
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Totally agree with this.

But if anyone really needs to learn a lesson over this, it's MindArk.

There will always be those who try to exploit and subvert. There's no curing the Earth of this disease.

This is why we can't have nice things.

MindArk needs to be thinking of that whenever they go making changes to EU.
 
I think Mindark could deal out a little punishment without being really upfront about it. Personally, I would just alter the offender's loot return. Give them like -5% overall return on the next 300k ped they cycle or something similar.
 
SamanthaFlynn said:
There's no curing the Earth of this disease.
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Not as a whole, probably not. But I think pockets can be created, also in gaming. Is this a vagabond universe or monastic, or a bit of both like ... was it Sodom and Gomorrah? Build it and they will come - but build what, a wild west town, a school, a baseball field?

The rules really should be in the code; if features allow stuff then it's ok to use however much we want.
Yes, people will be creative, but if it's not ok to jump in a sleip when under attack, then do not allow entering a vehicle unless all is at peace. If it is allowed to simply escape from an attack, then do not allow entry if you have fired at the mob that is attacking you.
Whatever it is, define the rules in code or adapt the code as stuff becomes known...

There is an example of people calling something an exploit, but if you try one thing, you actually get a message telling you why it isn't working. So do what it is suggesting and voila - that cannot be an exploit because it is definitively even messaged to you what to do.

Unfortunately MA still has messages around in game that are wrong too (after vus sometimes), a bit like that AI answers are not necessarily correct. Will MA's AI be doubly wrong about stuff, like 1+1, or will it admit to us players that it is frustrated by inconsistences too?
 
Art Jennifer said:
Can you share the data you used for this conclusion. Will be interested to see the trended view you must have access to.

Thanks
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I can confirm that and I know many other players that are doing the same atm. It is also visible in the difference of red and blue on forum and WTS/WTB on trade chat. You are possibly ignorant or blind not to see players have slowed their deposits down. And for good reasons.
 
sorinel89 said:
I can confirm that and I know many other players that are doing the same atm. It is also visible in the difference of red and blue on forum and WTS/WTB on trade chat. You are possibly ignorant or blind not to see players have slowed their deposits down. And for good reasons.
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Sky is falling RUN !
 
David Joker Potanus said:
I think Mindark could deal out a little punishment without being really upfront about it. Personally, I would just alter the offender's loot return. Give them like -5% overall return on the next 300k ped they cycle or something similar.
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I'm no legal expert, but I suspect hidden loot return punishments could put Mindark in a legal predicament if it was discovered.

I think the answer moving forward is for Mindark to issue clear punishment guidelines for exploiting, stop leaving it a grey area causing strife like it has this week.
 
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