News: PSA 2 Event and Exploits Update

Not sure where you get your info - Don't recall bragging anywhere here about how much ped I cycle or anything else for that matter.

I just dislike people coming up with their own facts 😊


No matter how much I keep saying this is the one and only time I have exploited - I'll turn it around: I'll pay 10k ped to anyone who has any proff of me exploiting the game prior to this which I have already admitted to.
Forgetting that they admitted to skill pill stacking.
 
No matter how much I keep saying this is the one and only time I have exploited - I'll turn it around: I'll pay 10k ped to anyone who has any proff of me exploiting the game prior to this which I have already admitted to.
Throwing money at the problem by daring us is not the solution.

I will only speak for myself when I say that

I do not:
- Want your excuses
- Want any form of psychological abuse from you

I do:
- Want to see you stop trashing the game by not exploiting unintended game mechanics, such as this gem exploit
- Want to see you help clean up the game, grab a shovel, and gloves, pick up the trash, i.e. report bugs and exploits
- Want to see you make the game more fun for us. Be kind, show compassion. Whatever you can think of that will give us a reason to want to like you and play the game with you.

When I am talking about you here, I am not talking exclusivly about B-K-K, but to all that apply.

Also, this is not a case of one-and-done. You want to turn the page around and improve? Its a lifetime commitment.
 
Just want to take the time to recognize and say that this is how to effectively communicate with your community! Thanks for going into detail about this, this type of transparency is appreciated.
 
Are you F*ckin' KIDDING me?!?!?!?

MA has a bad history of punishing exploiters.
They also have a bad history of communication w/ the players.

Now, they punish the most recent exploit AND give us WAY more detail then we hoped for and....

Their reward is multiple pages of anger at them????

Sure, many want the punishment to be harsher, but the idea of punishment is to try to get the criminal to stop. Not to enrich YOUR pocketbook. (Oh admit it, many of you are bitching because you see this as some way to get roundabout financial benefit for yourself)

So, they start smaller than many want, but with the threat of harsher punishment in the future. (Hopefully)

And you. BITCH. at. Them???

Let's focus on some of the folks who commented here saying "cool, thanks for the info. Glad to see crime is punished, and hopefully they learn their lesson."

Keep it up Mindark.
 
I dont think MAs intention was to end up here.
Yes, tensions get high, people agree/disagree on things. And, its ok. We only do it because we care. Otherwise no one would even bother to post.
But, im pretty sure all (or almost all) of this community appreciates the communication. And i hope that, us ranting, wont discourage them from doing it. Its, definitively, much better than the silence that have been held for years before.
 
Socrates is an amazing person, always very open and honest to anyone who inquires. I'm very happy he's in the position he's in. The problem people are stating here is there's an income based reaction to cheating.

I've been around since 2004. I've watched the game go from perma banning players who used auto clickers to allowing players known to use bots when a key logger would show clear intent of botting. I've seen people banned for a month and lose completion of said event to now, three days and their progress set back to just before the exploit was used and allowed to complete because of their ability to cycle.

Not allowing them to get the rare token would deter even the wealthiest people from cheating in the future.
 
Socrates is an amazing person, always very open and honest to anyone who inquires. I'm very happy he's in the position he's in. The problem people are stating here is there's an income based reaction to cheating.

I've been around since 2004. I've watched the game go from perma banning players who used auto clickers to allowing players known to use bots when a key logger would show clear intent of botting. I've seen people banned for a month and lose completion of said event to now, three days and their progress set back to just before the exploit was used and allowed to complete because of their ability to cycle.

Not allowing them to get the rare token would deter even the wealthiest people from cheating in the future.

So, the main difference between those events in the past, where people have been banned for months, and the thing we have here today - Is that in the past it has been a contest event, with a big prize for 1st place. So there has been a direct effect of the exploit.

The current one, the one that I was stupid enough to do, didn't have such a direct effect on specific people - It was a 10th part of a side mission to get a rare token. Granted again, stupid of me to do so - But I'm not going after the rare token since it's to big of a gamble now.


What that being said - Yes, maybe 3 days temp ban is to little. But the mentality of some people in this community is simply insane.
I have been told everything from "Don't worry, we will get you cheating ass out of this game" to "I hope you get braincancer and die"

I understand that people can be pissed, but the messages I and others have received is hmmm lets just say that people feel really protected behind their screen and comfort of their own home.
 
So, the main difference between those events in the past, where people have been banned for months, and the thing we have here today - Is that in the past it has been a contest event, with a big prize for 1st place. So there has been a direct effect of the exploit.

The current one, the one that I was stupid enough to do, didn't have such a direct effect on specific people - It was a 10th part of a side mission to get a rare token. Granted again, stupid of me to do so - But I'm not going after the rare token since it's to big of a gamble now.


What that being said - Yes, maybe 3 days temp ban is to little. But the mentality of some people in this community is simply insane.
I have been told everything from "Don't worry, we will get you cheating ass out of this game" to "I hope you get braincancer and die"

I understand that people can be pissed, but the messages I and others have received is hmmm lets just say that people feel really protected behind their screen and comfort of their own home.
Let me start by saying that personal attacks are never OK ever and I'm sorry you have to experience that.

I do think it's wrong to say though that it's not a competition. Grinding tokens and pulling from the vendor is always a competition between players. Anyone remember the punishment DannyO got, that didn't effect other people either.
 
The current one, the one that I was stupid enough to do, didn't have such a direct effect on specific people - It was a 10th part of a side mission to get a rare token. Granted again, stupid of me to do so - But I'm not going after the rare token since it's to big of a gamble now.

It is not a 10th part of a side mission. It is the most difficult and probably costly mission of the entire chain. It is the bottle-neck of the mission to get a rare-token.
 
What that being said - Yes, maybe 3 days temp ban is to little. But the mentality of some people in this community is simply insane.
I have been told everything from "Don't worry, we will get you cheating ass out of this game" to "I hope you get braincancer and die"

I understand that people can be pissed, but the messages I and others have received is hmmm lets just say that people feel really protected behind their screen and comfort of their own home.
Toxic community in gaming is a thing, people feel cheated and lash out. You can mute those people.

The reference here is MA's response. Similar to the last Goldrush event where people were stopping the clock and only doing boss mobs. Those members got really nice prizes if they got away with it.

It's the player bases responsibility to turn in exploits, bugs and cheats. Honestly doing that should come with a prize in itself depending on the size and contribution of the submission.
 
It is not a 10th part of a side mission. It is the most difficult and probably costly mission of the entire chain. It is the bottle-neck of the mission to get a rare-token.

I agree - But still it was 1 mission out of 10, which is what I meant.

And yes, it was the bottleneck, which is why I decided to fuck up - Not doing the mission now.
 
Now, they punish the most recent exploit AND give us WAY more detail then we hoped for and....

Their reward is multiple pages of anger at them????

Sure, many want the punishment to be harsher, but the idea of punishment is to try to get the criminal to stop. Not to enrich YOUR pocketbook. (Oh admit it, many of you are bitching because you see this as some way to get roundabout financial benefit for yourself)
Evidence of this is the fact that discourse trajectories around exploitation, piracy, and reselling are often nearly identical, even though the latter two are only similar to the former in terms of wealth transfer, and cannot possibly be interpreted as policy violations. There is a worsening tendency in our community to weaponize ignore list threats, blacklisting, and public shaming to attain game play goals as though they were items or features of the game.
 
What that being said - Yes, maybe 3 days temp ban is to little. But the mentality of some people in this community is simply insane.
I have been told everything from "Don't worry, we will get you cheating ass out of this game" to "I hope you get braincancer and die"
That's one of the reason i was asking for a Hall of shame, we knew from the start that MA just cant/wont ban all these players or give them a punishment that will scare them from doing it again. I don't think a long ban is needed for one "fuckup" but if people keep doing multiply fuckups that's a different story, The least people involved in this should do (in my opinion) is come to the forum and talk and not be in silence like they don't give a fuck.

How do you think MA should punish exploiters in the next event? cause if this is how they gonna do it, we will see a lot more exploiting next time.
 
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That's one of the reason i was asking for a Hall of shame, we knew from the start that MA just cant/wont ban all these players or give them a punishment that will scare them from doing it again. I don't think a long ban is needed for one "fuckup" but if people keep doing multiply fuckups that's a different story, The least people involved in this should do (in my opinion) is come to the forum and talk and not be in silence like they don't give a fuck.

How do you think MA should punish exploiters in the next event? cause if this is how they gonna do it, we will see A LOT more exploiting next time.
Don't need a hall shame just need a solid deterrent. I don't know guys involved (freelance) so I got no bad blood like some in here appear to have but I still think solid deterrent is needed first strike fair enough 3 day temp ban excluded from getting a rare and 1 strike with maximum 3 strikes your out buddy.

Failure to do that will simply just create a headache and more work for ma in future tbh and more backlash which I'm sure they don't want or need tbh.
 
How do you think MA should punish exploiters in the next event? cause if this is how they gonna do it, we will see A LOT more exploiting next time.

Well honestly - What they have done here is a step in the right direction tbh.

I don't believe in shaming (Didn't believe in it before and don't believe in it now)

But I would believe in a system with a smaller punishment first time (like the 3 day ban) - Then increased for every repeat offense someone does (3 days, 14 days, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months)
 
So, the main difference between those events in the past, where people have been banned for months, and the thing we have here today - Is that in the past it has been a contest event, with a big prize for 1st place. So there has been a direct effect of the exploit.

The current one, the one that I was stupid enough to do, didn't have such a direct effect on specific people - It was a 10th part of a side mission to get a rare token. Granted again, stupid of me to do so - But I'm not going after the rare token since it's to big of a gamble now.


What that being said - Yes, maybe 3 days temp ban is to little. But the mentality of some people in this community is simply insane.
I have been told everything from "Don't worry, we will get you cheating ass out of this game" to "I hope you get braincancer and die"

I understand that people can be pissed, but the messages I and others have received is hmmm lets just say that people feel really protected behind their screen and comfort of their own home.
Cool that you aknowledge what you did was wrong. 👍

Still in competition with others you got caught cheating.

You can't really start to lecture people how they should respond or feel about your wrong doing that affects community.

Personal attacks suck and should never happen, but that happens because of your action and choise.

Bite it up, learn the lesson and that should be enough to redeem yourself overtime. 👍
 
Are you F*ckin' KIDDING me?!?!?!?

MA has a bad history of punishing exploiters.
They also have a bad history of communication w/ the players.
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And you. BITCH. at. Them???
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Keep it up Mindark.
Do you think MA doing almost nothing in the past justifies a pat on the shoulder for doing very little / not enough now?
We are living crazy times, when people get praised for doing a lousy job, only because they are doing slightly better than in the past....
 
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We feel like its better to let them redo it with lost progress if they want to so they can still partake in the economic aspect of the event which helps everyone else who are selling resources and such. There is no need to punish everyone else for their and our mistake.
I hope you at least count how many times they have tried to cheat and if they did it not for the first time the punishment should be exponentially bigger.
First try to cheat in a event or in game 3 days ban, second time 9 days ban third time 27 days fourth time 81 days and so on.

I mean do not reset it but accumulate it and maybe set a limit that more than 5 or 6 times it is a permanent ban for that avatar.
 
Do you think MA doing almost nothing in the past justifies a pat on the shoulder for doing very little / not enough now?
We are living crazy times, when people get praised for doing a lousy job, only because they are doing slightly better than in the past....
My point was this much negative feedback does NOT encourage MA to try harder
 
the strategy of this community untill now has been to never talk bad about MA, and to never talk bad about the game, that has lead you to this point now, MA are adults, not some freaking child that needs pampering all the time, from my perspective, this "rage" is so small considering how long its been boiling, il put it in simple civil terms

stop beeing a pussy
 
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the strategy of this community untill now has been to never talk bad about MA, and to never talk bad about the game...
Are....?
Are you kidding?
Please tell me you're kidding.
This very forum that we're on has YEARS (decades) of posts that prove you wrong.

Even I have bad things to say about MA and the game, and I do. But I say them in constructive ways that might encourage better results.
 
the strategy of this community untill now has been to never talk bad about MA, and to never talk bad about the game, that has lead you to this point now, MA are adults, not some freaking child that needs pampering all the time, from my perspective, this "rage" is so small considering how long its been boiling, il put it in simple civil terms

stop beeing a pussy


Aye!? It’s quite the opposite.
 
if it was quite the oposite, why is almost every second post in this thread saying, guys, please calm down, MA is doing better then in the past by just communicating, please stop beeing so harsh on them, if the norm was constant MA bashing, why the fuck would people keep showing up saying to stop bullying MA, sorry but when i see pathetic posts like that, i just see a cuck

and what it really is, is a term called "racism of low expectations"
the guys that keep bashing MA are doing it couse they care about the game and belive MA CAN do better, the ones who keep saying that we should threat MA like a retarded kid, those are the ones who truly belive MA just cant handle it, and a couple of bad words on the forum will make them go in the fetal position and start shaking
 
the guys that keep bashing MA are doing it couse they care about the game and belive MA CAN do better, the ones who keep saying that we should threat MA like a retarded kid, those are the ones who truly belive MA just cant handle it, and a couple of bad words on the forum will make them go in the fetal position and start shaking
I'm truly beginning to think you've never read anything on this forum.

To put it simply:
There are those of us who do call out MA when they are not doing well on something.
Then, there are those that troll and bitch no matter what MA does

So you have people who honestly call out both bad and good for what they are.
And those who act like MA can never do anything right, ever, no matter what.

Be sure to not lump those types of people in the same group. It doesn't work.
 
Since there are a lot of questions and discussion around recent events here is some follow up information in one place instead of spread out answers in multiple threads.
Around 20 players were temp banned for the exploit ...

It is very good that you are starting to do something.
Although I am a new player, it's hard to decide on a more serious step in investing funds in this game,
which let's remember belongs to the RCE genre, so trust in the platform provider should be a priority for you guys.

Before installing the game I flipped through more than 300 pages of company documents, game history, etc.
Everything looks like an orderly concept, but as is always the case there are human factor problems,
and since you are planning an engine change soon, which may attract potential depositors, you'd better clean everything up beforehand.

Because you have no real beta testers and rely on us players.
I suggest and hope that you will submit this concept to the office at Monday's meeting.

Creation of a permanent thread in the "Dev's Corner" section, open to comments from players.
Where the moderating person will be not someone from the forum team, but direct key-man in the production processes.
In such a post we players can publish existing problems in the game, bug's, exploits, etc.
So you can temporarily suspend a mission or event within 24 hours. Pull the plug, simple.
We the players will at least be aware not to touch the activity for a while.

I think that the player who first informs about the exploit should be rewarded in some form,
in proportion to the funds saved by the company in percentage terms.

On the other hand, those who use exploit should not be banned from the game, it is enough to block the possibility of active participation in the game processes (Hunting, Mining, Craft), trading(transferring) for their avatar and to make the possibility of withdrawal from the game system at first for 3 months, then 6 months, 9 months, a year, and then a permament ban.
This is the RCE environment, the lack of opportunity to catch opportunities in a constantly running business is a good enough motivator to stop.

Personally, I myself do not understand the lack of respect for the invested funds and time by some people.
For me it is just stupid to lose a lot of money in the style of criminal mind.
A simple example I came across recently was completing a mission using the transformation of sweat into crates.
In the mission description it clearly says that you need to manufacture aka craft.
From my perspective, this is simply an error of the counter hooked up to the chat system.
So as an old-school gamer, and also having held positions in the gaming industry in the past, a red light immediately went on for me.
"Don't do it you can lose everything".

Unfortunately, as you yourself understand and can read it here in the post(+ its easy to find on outside pages how things are rolled), for too long you have allowed a certain group to degenerate thinking about the game and company.

Therefore, I recommend the second case. Create a "mother" and its crew.
Probably being in business you know this term if not ask the first better logistics company what it is about, as its same thing.
For such a game, 4 people are enough, who can act independently,
similar to an outside company. Where "Mother" confides only to "Dad", read CEO.

This can help you with the unfortunately sizable problams that came after the golden era,
and the beginning was to pay "Observers and Sustainers" in the form of items generated in the system of game.
You will understand.

The last part is just a question.
Have you really not guessed or even observed non-human activity during so many years at various events and instances?
For me, it is a feat to press a "F" key for 3 to 4 hours.
Of course, I have reached perfection, I have snacks, drinks and I start after the toilet check.
But come on, you can't go beyond that time. Each of us has to sleep, some of us have private lives and work.
So as you understand. You can't play 24/7.
Simply counting the activity, collection points, should alert the office that a robot has been detected.
There was an event recently where I watched(Twitch) and supported one player,
keeping my fingers crossed for his win.
He dedicated 10 hours a day to completing the task,
of course he had to take a toilet break from time to time, but he even had dinner brought to his room.
And he had to sleep for +5 hours. I remember that he gave his all.
He lost by a big number of points which, for me, can only be explained in two ways.
A robot or 3 people taking turns playing on one account.

I hope that you will sort out all the matters before UE5, and who knows,
maybe my blockade will be lifted and I will gladly pay more than my monthly accepted*for the situation you are in, limit.

I wish You, the MindArk team and the new CEO a nice but busy month.
Soon, half a year will pass and we all need to focus on getting this year off to a flying next year start.

WolfStar
 
Since there are a lot of questions and discussion around recent events here is some follow up information in one place instead of spread out answers in multiple threads.
Around 20 players were temp banned for the exploit with the "Gemologist" bonus mission. Warnings were also handed out to some not directly benefiting from it but with some level of involvement.
If a rare token was gained it has been taken away.
Those who completed the Gemologist mission this way have had it uncompleted.
If they want to get the rare token they will have to abandon their active Gemologist mission and the main Resource Mayhem mission in order to activate Gemologist again when they pick up the main mission. Once they have all bonus missions completed and 10000+ points they can receive the rare token from support.

As for questions regarding randomly getting banned for things you don't know are an exploit or not. We look things over closely and don't punish unless it's clear that it's intentional and not something accidental and whether the player reports it as a bug/exploit/concern. Not everyone who had anything to do with a gem and pvp was banned, such as only dying with a gem and never looting one.

For some more positive stuff:

Gems were made a bit more common with the start of the event, not by a huge amount but it is a bit easier than it has been in the past as to not be insanely difficult to complete during the event time.

Four players have gained the rare token (legitimately) so far.

The 3 most completed bonus missions are: Extract resources >Tier 3 Orders > Nanocubes
The 3 least completed bonus missions are: Refine Gemstones >Tier 1 Orders > Gemologist

Amount of Mayhem tokens in game have increased by 3.7% since event start.

The most crafted items since event start are (by TT value of items created, not count):
Explosive Projectiles > D-Class Mining Amp (L) > Level 5 Finder Amplifier (L) > Shrapnel > ArMatrix Extender P20 (L) > ArMatrix Extender P15 (L) > Terra Amp 6 (L) > Tech Gizmo 8 > ArMatrix LP-15 (L) > Terra Amp 8 (L) > Simple 1 Conductors.

Out of curiosity - Has this work to identify potential exploiters continued since these temp bans took place?
What I'm getting at is: Did MA have to keep putting resources and energy on monitoring and disabling players, instead of, for example, re-stocking new Mayhem items?

I understand that you may not be able to answer these questions - But I also understand that there certainly are better moments for a re-stock, than in the middle of ongoing bans/disqualifications of players who are running around with non-qualified Rare Mayhem Tokens.
 
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