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Price Check Rare mayhem token

before the revolution they were 3000 to 6000 as embedded price into the final product
utility value depend on WHAT item are restocked ofc
 
In my case 1 rare token means a 20 to 25k ped gap in the item i can pull as i have M ones in exceed.
 
Something I would like to know too as I have a few
 
This is so hard to figure out now I mean if say lp40 25k now will probably drop To like 15k once another flood comes with no buyers and if it takes 4 rares (let's pretend all regular tokens are practically free) that'd be max probably 2-3k each. But then what if you can get lucky and pull a higher item b4 clickbots or people with better internet or whatever. what will a mod nano drop to 40k or 60k with a "significant" flood Who knows? Where thatd put rares at over double. People are going to dump pulls fast I would guess since there will be no more carrots (at least for a while) MA will have to somehow obsolete these items rather quickly in 1 way or another. So it's a gamble which item you'll get to pull with it, if there will be a buyer even for cheap, how fast MA will obsolete it since they can't let game die from no carrots, or gamble there will be a huge influx of players soon and MA doesn't obsolete them. Then taking into account the pulls were gated by the fact people couldn't trade these tokens before you will have people (lot of lower broke ones like myself) probably undercutting each other on auction and taking into account the crazy amount of tokens in existence we are probably looking at roughly 4k/rare 25/pec regular in beginning and 2k/rare 15 pec/regular later (higher in the beginning and lower once everyone is broke since it has seemed like a lot of depos haven't been happening) but that's me knowing nothing about anything and being a noob hunter so take that with a massive mountain of salt.

If selling I'd list for a good price right away (to catch the FOMO people who dont read forums) and if buying wait more towards end?
 
James Jimbo Linehan said:
This is so hard to figure out now I mean if say lp40 25k now will probably drop To like 15k once another flood comes with no buyers and if it takes 4 rares (let's pretend all regular tokens are practically free) that'd be max probably 2-3k each. But then what if you can get lucky and pull a higher item b4 clickbots or people with better internet or whatever. what will a mod nano drop to 40k or 60k with a "significant" flood Who knows? Where thatd put rares at over double. People are going to dump pulls fast I would guess since there will be no more carrots (at least for a while) MA will have to somehow obsolete these items rather quickly in 1 way or another. So it's a gamble which item you'll get to pull with it, if there will be a buyer even for cheap, how fast MA will obsolete it since they can't let game die from no carrots, or gamble there will be a huge influx of players soon and MA doesn't obsolete them. Then taking into account the pulls were gated by the fact people couldn't trade these tokens before you will have people (lot of lower broke ones like myself) probably undercutting each other on auction and taking into account the crazy amount of tokens in existence we are probably looking at roughly 4k/rare 25/pec regular in beginning and 2k/rare 15 pec/regular later (higher in the beginning and lower once everyone is broke since it has seemed like a lot of depos haven't been happening) but that's me knowing nothing about anything and being a noob hunter so take that with a massive mountain of salt.

If selling I'd list for a good price right away (to catch the FOMO people who dont read forums) and if buying wait more towards end?
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Totally agree with you, there Will be a lot of fomo and for that reason some people Will lose a lot buying some mayhem token over the real price and Will see how the item they are getting sell for much less price that their cost to buy it. Rares at 2k are ok but we Will see them at lower price, regular for 15 pec are okey. People Will tell this prices are low and we are saying bullshit.... but probably they are token hoarder trying to get as much as possible not tacking in mind the actual status of the game, what Will do this restock to the actual price of these items (some are very cheap, like the lp40 at 25k that we Will see even at less), etc... game its in a fuckup status so...
 
Darlas said:
regular for 15 pec are okey. People Will tell this prices are low and we are saying bullshit....
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Wait, what? So there will be a huge refill according to MA, where many people have the opportunity to pull the top line items (LP-120 perf, mod nanos, or even for lower levels BC-80, mod LP, perf elec, etc...) thanks to possibility to actually buy tokens and you are saying that the price of the tokens will be based on LP40 price? You do realize that only UL items are ending and exceptional ones will stay in the future, right?

There is no reason to actually sell tokens at 15 pec price, because after the transition phase, you can still buy L ones and even their value is higher than that. At 15 pec price per token, it's better to keep the tokens and have forever supply of L arsons, L hedocs and L restors.

What is happening now is an opportunity for people who are halfway or 3/4 done with the tokens to actually buy rest and pull their desired reward they are after for years, or then for people who would like to resell, which is still crazy at 15 pec (mod LP pull for 25k?), so if someone will let their tokens go for 15 pec, they are feeding the people who they complain about in the first place lol.

Those L items are amazing, but still the UL ones will have edge over them, lower than before for sure, but still big enough for them to have decent value (DPS due to tiering, one time MU that will stay, etc...) which is less visible on support items, but you will feel it big time in main gun if you are at least semi active player.
 
Svako said:
Wait, what? So there will be a huge refill according to MA, where many people have the opportunity to pull the top line items (LP-120 perf, mod nanos, or even for lower levels BC-80, mod LP, perf elec, etc...) thanks to possibility to actually buy tokens and you are saying that the price of the tokens will be based on LP40 price? You do realize that only UL items are ending and exceptional ones will stay in the future, right?

There is no reason to actually sell tokens at 15 pec price, because after the transition phase, you can still buy L ones and even their value is higher than that. At 15 pec price per token, it's better to keep the tokens and have forever supply of L arsons, L hedocs and L restors.

What is happening now is an opportunity for people who are halfway or 3/4 done with the tokens to actually buy rest and pull their desired reward they are after for years, or then for people who would like to resell, which is still crazy at 15 pec (mod LP pull for 25k?), so if someone will let their tokens go for 15 pec, they are feeding the people who they complain about in the first place lol.

Those L items are amazing, but still the UL ones will have edge over them, lower than before for sure, but still big enough for them to have decent value (DPS due to tiering, one time MU that will stay, etc...) which is less visible on support items, but you will feel it big time in main gun if you are at least semi active player.
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During RM tokens cost around 15 pec. So its not crazy.
 
Rimmer said:
During RM tokens cost around 15 pec. So its not crazy.
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Totally different things honestly. During RM, people were selling basic stuff like oils for very decent MU compared to outside the event, so it was win for everyone even when the price of token was around 15 pec (even that is after a lot calculation and box selling, so it was the extreme case, not the regular price).

Now people will be selling tokens directly, so they should be careful with the price. Also the buyers will not be making investment for total unknown (items, time), they have lot of info available, so the goal is in reach. There will be different buyers also, people who want to finish something, not the invest type of people.

Maybe I'm wrong and people will be selling tens of thousands of tokens for 15 pec, we will see in 6 days, but will be sad to see if that will be the case.
 
Svako said:
Totally different things honestly. During RM, people were selling basic stuff like oils for very decent MU compared to outside the event, so it was win for everyone even when the price of token was around 15 pec (even that is after a lot calculation and box selling, so it was the extreme case, not the regular price).

Now people will be selling tokens directly, so they should be careful with the price. Also the buyers will not be making investment for total unknown (items, time), they have lot of info available, so the goal is in reach. There will be different buyers also, people who want to finish something, not the invest type of people.

Maybe I'm wrong and people will be selling tens of thousands of tokens for 15 pec, we will see in 6 days, but will be sad to see if that will be the case.
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I'm not sure, just making assumptions on how I would value the tokens. It will probably be the same as twen, a few expensive FOMO and then drop. Why? Well you probably have around 10 people waiting for the lp120, if two is restocked then 8 will have to pull other items.

The market already has a lot of excessive guns. Lets look at lp100, bc80, perf 15. All around +60-70k and some are not selling.

That would put the tokens around 30-35 pec depending on the price of rares. Now add the gambling factor, what happens if you dont get your gun? The L guns last for ever.

If you have 10k of tokens and 1 rare, you would get 4k peds. That would also be the price for a Mayhem Harness.
 
Rimmer said:
If you have 10k of tokens and 1 rare, you would get 4k peds. That would also be the price for a Mayhem Harness.
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And that is the problem, Mayhem harness or LP40 should not create the price of the token in direct trade opportunity.

Anyway, I'm not here to argue, just wanna say that in few days, there will be a lot of people claiming that tokens are worthless, because now is the last chance to use then and that we should be happy they want to help us get rid of them, while it's the opposite.
 
Amazing when buying tokens mayhem harness and l40 sets the price but when selling items a kidney and a remortgage sets the price?
 
Svako said:
there will be a lot of people claiming that tokens are worthless
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How players value their time, work and investment is so all over the place, no different than RL. But you will find same people selling dirt cheap later on, or in the past, complaining about the lack of MU. Some people hold them tight, some people hunt every mayhem and dump them after each event thinkign they will quit the next day. They never quit, just take breaks, repeating the same "strategy" next mayhem.

Same will happen in the next week, people will sell for low and when they will be back on the market looking for a gun will argue the gun should be the price they sold the tokens for, not taking into account tokens will never drop at the same rate, UL weapons won't ever be in mayhem vendor again... it's a normal cycle. Make the most of it :D
 
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Evey said:
not taking into account tokens will never drop at the same rate, UL weapons won't ever be in mayhem vendor again...
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You take into account those, as you own weapons already. As somebody who not, i take into account that, with loot 3.0 we will probably see a new line of L weapons that will run circles around the current high end UL guns to keep the economic going.
How other way MA could make us use L stuff instead of UL?

I have a feeling about big changes with guns will come sooner or later, since i have seen the stats of the Stable assassinator, made me wonder what future guns will do, if a planet partner was alloweed to put such gun into the game.
Maybe or probably just around UE5 which who knows how many years away still.

Anyway, Investing into UL, when MA literally said loud and clear that they want us to go with L stuff, is a bit risky :)
 
TeesMaarKhan said:
Amazing when buying tokens mayhem harness and l40 sets the price but when selling items a kidney and a remortgage sets the price?
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Read my post again.
 
Haha like I said take what I said with a grain of salt it is a great time to get a cheap gun depending how u play it but I def know some ppl will be selling for dirt then some will get the gun n hoard for best possible price and get obsoleted and die with it. Its probly best to be somewhere in middle to be smart and not be 2 greedy or letting your time/investment be a joke either. As for myself who currently doesn't have 1 I'd prefer guns cost a down-payment on a house with a side of my kidney and be stable then I'd buy 1. This all over the place shit helps no one. And while they say this will be last batch of UL I think we all know dam well they will add more or new better ULs or add it to the new instances they are working on or limiteds will be the new meta. Either way you seen what happened with redulite in the hands of every noob/med player once space mining shenanigans came, selling for dirt. So now we can guess what the price will probably be for tokens. No one wants to depo until we see some good moves by MA but yet we all want to keep playing so we need PEDsss asap lol
 
It feels like we are at that stage (loot 2.0 weapons) where manufacturers discount their graphics card/console/laptop just before they release their new model. Those who don't pay much attention will probably think they are getting a deal, but will soon have buyers remorse when they see the new shiny toy.
 
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Hego Damask said:
You take into account those, as you own weapons already. As somebody who not, i take into account that, with loot 3.0 we will probably see a new line of L weapons that will run circles around the current high end UL guns to keep the economic going.
How other way MA could make us use L stuff instead of UL?

I have a feeling about big changes with guns will come sooner or later, since i have seen the stats of the Stable assassinator, made me wonder what future guns will do, if a planet partner was alloweed to put such gun into the game.
Maybe or probably just around UE5 which who knows how many years away still.

Anyway, Investing into UL, when MA literally said loud and clear that they want us to go with L stuff, is a bit risky :)
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I do look at it from perspective of the user that recognized ealy UL is the only way you can push the pedal.
Looking at how much more powerful loot 2.0 guns are compared to 1.0, how can you think of 3.0 when you know 4.0 will obliterate them as well? :p

If you saw the stats of Stable Assasinator, did you by any chance tried to work around exactly how much work it is? Cyrene is not handing those out, they make the players lose the value of a good 2.0 gun while grinding for it. Can you imagine grinding for it with a bad weapon or with L? The principle will apply in the future as well, if you want to be UL user you have to jump in the train eventually and ideally grind with something for the gun you want.

There is no general advice that would apply to all, if anything, don't act on 1st impulse or emotion, or if you know your're a type of user of max tier 2 UL, exceptional L is the way.
 
Svako said:
Wait, what? So there will be a huge refill according to MA, where many people have the opportunity to pull the top line items (LP-120 perf, mod nanos, or even for lower levels BC-80, mod LP, perf elec, etc...) thanks to possibility to actually buy tokens and you are saying that the price of the tokens will be based on LP40 price? You do realize that only UL items are ending and exceptional ones will stay in the future, right?

There is no reason to actually sell tokens at 15 pec price, because after the transition phase, you can still buy L ones and even their value is higher than that. At 15 pec price per token, it's better to keep the tokens and have forever supply of L arsons, L hedocs and L restors.

What is happening now is an opportunity for people who are halfway or 3/4 done with the tokens to actually buy rest and pull their desired reward they are after for years, or then for people who would like to resell, which is still crazy at 15 pec (mod LP pull for 25k?), so if someone will let their tokens go for 15 pec, they are feeding the people who they complain about in the first place lol.

Those L items are amazing, but still the UL ones will have edge over them, lower than before for sure, but still big enough for them to have decent value (DPS due to tiering, one time MU that will stay, etc...) which is less visible on support items, but you will feel it big time in main gun if you are at least semi active player.
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Well maybe i wrotte my message in a way it could be understand that way but i just put an example, and its not the only one i can tell. Anyway the game its not in a good status to ask a ton of peds for these tokens, maybe you didnt notice it; low mu everywhere, lack of player base, we dont know nothing of future plans more than they want L as the meta (probably some change that make actual UL less op than those Ls making them lose more value), etc.

Dont think you will get 1ped per regular token or 10k for a rare, the price i told of 15 and 2k are actually very plausible and actually fair.
 
MA has said that they will post details about the coming re-stocks, which will be significant. So better to just wait than speculate about prices.

They also never said that UL would be removed completely, but specifically from the Mayhem events.
I personally would guess it is just a matter of time until there will be new content with new rewards which will take the game forward.
 
Evey said:
If you saw the stats of Stable Assasinator, did you by any chance tried to work around exactly how much work it is? Cyrene is not handing those out, they make the players lose the value of a good 2.0 gun while grinding for it. Can you imagine grinding for it with a bad weapon or with L?
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Yes, i know that is a lot of work to get one, thats why i ruled out the possibility of going for one immediately after patch, even before You made it harder with the PVP related changes :)
Actually, with exceptional mayhem stuff, i can imagine somebody going for it with LP120 perfected or modnano L (well, i have somebody on friendlist who was grinding for it with bad UL gun / L guns until you caused the PVP changes :D )

Evey said:
The principle will apply in the future as well, if you want to be UL user you have to jump in the train eventually and ideally grind with something for the gun you want.
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No-no, here we talking about "buying" one with cash. Currently too risky for me with the direction MA communicates to go on, unless the prices got so low that eventually i cant say no anymore, but i dont think we will reach that level, even with prices are still not as low as the lowest before covid. I remember LR60 tiered goes around the 40-45k range than. We are still not there yet.

If i would hunting daily again, i would rather stay with the exceptional L stuff.
Also, in the future it will be move toward exceptional even more, MA already communicated they will stock a lot more of them, and they will be cheaper in the future, once the prices will be adjusted to the new token drop rate, after the last UL restock.

So depending on how easy to get and cheap the exceptional ones become, we maybe really leave behind the UL stuff below 90% efficiency, as it will be better to use a dirt cheap exceptional BP70 or LP120 instead of the 80% effi UL ones.

Evey said:
if you know your're a type of user of max tier 2 UL, exceptional L is the way.
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Yes, currently the only reason i can see why somebody would buy UL, is TIERs if he want to hunt with dmg enhancers on, but that apply only to high end guns, not for all.
 
Mike Kaffeslukarn Morazi said:
They also never said that UL would be removed completely, but specifically from the Mayhem events.
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They didnt said from mayhem events, they just said from vendor.
Therefore, our plan is to remove UL items entirely from the vendor once stock is depleted
Tbh i expected 1-1 UL will drops here and there during an assault / defense / survival instance, not this mayhem yet, just later, once the last refill is already depleted.

Also we dont really know what will be the FFA prizes the next time. What is the point of giving out 2 rares and 50k tokens when the best stuff you can buy is going to be the 1 rare 2500 token exceptional LP120 perfected?
Will the prizes be just lowered to the L stuffs prizes, who will grind for that?
I would expect items to replace tokens in FFA prizes. If there will be FFA ofc.
 
Hego Damask said:
No-no, here we talking about "buying" one with cash.
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I agree with you other points except this one. I was referring to jumping on the train by any means at your disposal (not you personally, but referring in general), including maybe purchasing one UL with your own tokens. In my case, I sold a pull and bought a tiered 2.0

100% casual players should stick to exceptional gear. But with this their access to "new bosses, dungeons" etc that were just recently announced as to coming in the near future, will be limited
 
Evey said:
100% casual players should stick to exceptional gear. But with this their access to "new bosses, dungeons" etc that were just recently announced as to coming in the near future, will be limited
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With exceptionals being more commonly available, probably the high TIR ones will be also more common. One can keep a high TIR ones for such activities, but well, yes, maybe you also considered this option, thats why you said limited instead of totally closed out.

Also, not takes much for MA to keep adding bigger and bigger exceptional guns to the vendor, as they did with bigger and bigger UL guns during the years, if / when it is happen, just question of time till the highest exceptional outperform the best UL with tiers on.
So short therm sure UL T10 for the win, longterm it can change :)
 
I believe MA is trying to make mayhem a L item event only , which makes sense why the token rates will be lower and no more UL , my guess is they are planning to release new instances similar to the spina broodmother , or maybe new area/planet addition. Possible they will have their own stable assassins for mission coming up . Token prices will fluctuate due to speculation but if you’re a crafter the L bps might be your bread and butter
 
Ludvig|MindArk said:
There will be an official announcement for which items will be restocked and the times the restocks will happen.
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I guess the question for a lot of people, looking at the above statement, is - Is the information about what items will be restocked going to be published before the Token trading phase ends? Or are people going to trade tokens without knowing how the restock is going to look like?
 
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