That's certainly true, good observation!
It's a subject where everybody already has a strong opinion this way or another. Once people have settled with their opinions they usually tend to ignore all counter arguments off the bat, even if those are actually good - and only look for those bits and pieces that confirm their bias.
With people like that there's no point to even talk about things. Wasted effort right from the start.
Then there's this tiny tiny minority, the true intellectual aristocracy of free minds that can enjoy arguments contrary to their own if they are fresh and deep and original. In case there's some people like this around, I'd say this about religion.
In the modern western world, especially in Western Europe, it's highly fashionable to bash religion, especially Christianity. What once was a daring revolutionary idea, is now mainstream. Everybody's atheist those days, so in case you've missed it, you won't score any points for originality any more.
Religions, vast majority of them have caused lot of bad things in the world. Some more, others less. When you try to remember the last wars Jainism or Taoism have caused... you'd be in trouble.
But then you'll certainly hear the argument Why the hell do we need any religion anyway?
Now that's where things get interesting.
Anyone who's ever tried to speak about any controversial topic in science has certainly noticed how emotional and dogmatic people instantly get. Let's pick an example here, say, research about relationships between IQ and race (google "Steven Pinker IQ race" if you're not familiar withe the concept).
So, what you instantly get is not intellectual counter-arguments, from the vast majority of people you'll get a response that can only be described as religious and dogmatic.
Certain things are not true because I strongly believe they are not true, period.
That's exactly what the Roman Catholic Inquisition told to Galileo Galilei:
- Heliocentrism? You are a heretic!
- But but but, here's a scientific empirical data that confirms my theory!
- Who cares about data, our Holy Book says otherwise! Off with your head!
And off he goes...
Now, if you think that's all in the past, think again.
Simple ordinary people desperately need a world view that describes all things in the world in a simple orderly black and white way. "Simple" is the code word here. Everybody knows how people adore simple explanations.
So, here's the rhetorical question - Do we have any simplistic dogmatic world views today? There's plenty, all over the place, followed by hundreds of millions of people! We don't like to call them "religions" today, that word has a bad taste to it. So we've renamed em to "ideologies". This way we can be dogmatic and have a blind faith without feeling simple-minded and stupid.
I'm a Taoist myself (the Japanese variety of it), but I do like the real (not the simplistic version of) Christianity.
Why? Well, mainly because it offends people and it's not mainstream.
Also, if I'll end up with some kind of ideology anyway, I'll prefer the real thing to a cheap surrogate anytime...
OK, I hope I've deeply offended the religious feelings of every last one of you. Lets have some riots and book-burnings now!
Simple ordinary people desperately need a world view that describes all things in the world in a simple orderly black and white way.
Funny isn't it? Atheism, nihilism and the like are actually more "simple" than most religions, and they cling to them for the same reason people cling to religion, often even more fanatically, and with an equal lack of evidence.
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Religion & Politics, well what can you say.
Everyone is entitled to its own opinion etc. as long as they dont bother me with it.
If they do i'm more then entitled to give my own opinion.
Now ofcourse religion is not all pure evil, many people find comfort in it and have decent values in Life.
I dont need any kind of religion for that
You neg repping me for stating my opinion is kinda sad and tells me something, something i already know for a long time
Now STFU and leave this thread to some lighthearted discussion about Lootius & the like.