Ridiculous weapon prices.

Well this is the difference for you and me.
Some need to take this as a profession and investment.

I already have a profession and i am already well invested, and both don't rely on an ukrainian porno starlet owned, fishy swedish company that is lurching on the edge of bankruptcy every other year.

For me it is just pixels in a game.
You're wrong there, it's still a hobby for me, the difference is that I mean business with my hobby and doing well and not having to put in money for gun, armor or ammo...

I don't understand how you can still be quite well invested too in the game, logging daily, almost, spending so much time in it over the years while having an extremely bad opinion about the game, or it's leadership... doesn't make sense... if it's so important to you who the shareholders are, why on earth you still keep your assets in here and spend the time? What do you think it will happen? What are you hoping to change? As things look atm, yu're gonna wait at least 20 years so you can have your laugh
 
The prey is more nervous than ever.

The losses are the biggest in the last 3 years of playing.

And the prices of these weapons are 50 times higher than their cost.

Now, only a fool would buy a weapon for 100k ped, not to mention 500k ped.
 
You're wrong there, it's still a hobby for me, the difference is that I mean business with my hobby and doing well and not having to put in money for gun, armor or ammo...

I don't understand how you can still be quite well invested too in the game, logging daily, almost, spending so much time in it over the years while having an extremely bad opinion about the game, or it's leadership... doesn't make sense... if it's so important to you who the shareholders are, why on earth you still keep your assets in here and spend the time? What do you think it will happen? What are you hoping to change? As things look atm, yu're gonna wait at least 20 years so you can have your laugh

Fair enough. And that's a good standpoint.
...from your point of view

But, Evey, now try to look from it from another persons point of view.
What if you didn't already have the resources ingame?
What if you would have to deposit 500.000 ped to buy such a gun?

Would you?

I can understand that you would at least consider like EVERYTHING before spending 50.000$ on some pixels!!

not all of us are millionaires :sneaky:
 
from a PURE MATH on DPP standpoint amd assuming that EFF has ZERO benefit...
i consider 2 weapons taking stats fron entropiawiki
EWE41 Military Adjusted has a 2.876 DPP
A&P Mayhem LP40 perf has a 3.449 DPP
let us consider a whatefer mosnter, an ambulimax25 with 1010 HP
EWE41 cost per Ambu is 1010/2.876 = 3.51 ped per kill
LP-40 cost per ambu is 1010/30449 = 2.928 ped per kill
that means that EVERY AMBU you SPEND LESS (3.51-2.928) = 0.582 ped IN TERM OF AMMO BURNED
ALL other parameter remain the same (same loot cycle, no eff bonus)
1000 ambu you spend 580 less ped
10.000 ambu you spend 5800 les sped
100.000 ambu you spend 58.000 less ped
that means you SAVE the 36.000ped needed for upgrading from one 2.96 to a 3.44 dpp weapon with 62.068 Ambulimax killed
speaking in term of ped
1010 * 62.068 / 3.449 cost you 181.759 ped with a BP40
1010* 62.068 / 2.876 cost you 217.971 ped with a ewe41 adj

speaking in term of time
i will use NO BUFFS for calculations
LP-40 perf shots 919 cells @72 fire rate = 397 ped per hour
EWE41 Adj shots 1200 cells @ 63 fire rate = 453.6 pede/hour
to cycle the required amounts we need
181759/ 397 = 457hours NON STOP FIRING for LP40
217971 / 453.60 = 480 hours non stop firing for ewe

457 hours at 6 hours per day means 76 day or 2 months and a half

this is the time needed to recoup the cost of a LP40 vs ewe41 in term opf pure DPP savings repaying the upgronted markup

the above is to explain once again that my calculations are not wrong......

answering to the mate that supposed i made wrong calculations
a counterproof is in term of percent effect on dpp
2.876/3.449 = you save 18% of cost so... 36000 / 18% = 200.000 (average value of the 2 items cycle needed explained above.

i hope that these calculation add to the movie.... DPP is a sharpened blade.... Evey indicated the moon... but many people was looking at the finger......

wax on... wax off
 
Fair enough. And that's a good standpoint.
...from your point of view

But, Evey, now try to look from it from another persons point of view.
What if you didn't already have the resources ingame?
What if you would have to deposit 500.000 ped to buy such a gun?

Would you?

I can understand that you would at least consider like EVERYTHING before spending 50.000$ on some pixels!!

not all of us are millionaires :sneaky:
Great question!
My answer would depend a lot on my irl financial status and also on my knowledge...
Normally I would say hell no, but knowing what I know now, I would find find my way back to such a gun with time and knowledge not irl card. That was the fun part for me and I'm sure for many. It was a challange. Unlike most of people in this game, I didn't hate on ubers, I learned from them.

I barely deposited in game and most of it was from what I took out already from it but I always always advised people to not buy unless they understand very well what they are getting and what to do with it.

If I didn't have a weapon but a ton of irl money, knowing I can get my investment back in below 2 years, I would do it. But I have a lot of data collected already, know what to push and when... and even with a lot of money I would probably go something a bit cheaper an work my way up... but that is me; someone might see the potential soon in their game and put in money to take the best shortcut and start directly the end game . We're built differently and that still doesn't mean that the prices are ridiculous.
As a guy well put it above, the price is what someone is willing to pay...
 
As a guy well put it above, the price is what someone is willing to pay...

As one person put it well above, the price is what someone is willing to pay...

It seems there are FЕN sunglasses for this people for 100k, do they have to determine the real game of everyone else?

I understand that the leading greedy reseller wants to withdraw $ 48k of profit from the game, and anyone else would use this as an excuse for each item in this false market!
 
We have a lot of guns now in the 50 DPS range at around 4k ped mu, some of them even way cheaper, if we went back a few years this same weapons would cost 3 or 4x more. The problem here is the introduction of loot 2.0 and the new atribute for weapons called efficiency, making everyone want to do the jump to a better efficiency gun. The question is how much this jump cost and is it worth it? As a owner of a item I can ask anything I want, after all it's MY item but yeah I agree we are seeing some really absurd prices here but I would only trust on ingame auction history.
Check out the marcorp 7 on auction for 19k SB and 25k Bo. Those are the people that we can do without atm.
 
a lot of you need to remember that an item is only worth what someone else will pay for it.


even phony transactions can only go so far. don't like the price? don't pay it.
 
from a PURE MATH on DPP standpoint amd assuming that EFF has ZERO benefit...
i consider 2 weapons taking stats fron entropiawiki
EWE41 Military Adjusted has a 2.876 DPP
A&P Mayhem LP40 perf has a 3.449 DPP
let us consider a whatefer mosnter, an ambulimax25 with 1010 HP
EWE41 cost per Ambu is 1010/2.876 = 3.51 ped per kill
LP-40 cost per ambu is 1010/30449 = 2.928 ped per kill
that means that EVERY AMBU you SPEND LESS (3.51-2.928) = 0.582 ped IN TERM OF AMMO BURNED
ALL other parameter remain the same (same loot cycle, no eff bonus)
1000 ambu you spend 580 less ped
10.000 ambu you spend 5800 les sped
100.000 ambu you spend 58.000 less ped
that means you SAVE the 36.000ped needed for upgrading from one 2.96 to a 3.44 dpp weapon with 62.068 Ambulimax killed
WTF are you talking about? it is loot 2.0
 
At the end of the day, the seller and buyer agreed to a price.

The rest is "what if..." and discussions of various colors.
 
WTF are you talking about? it is loot 2.0
DPP still matters, a lot. The post you quoted is just worded backwards. The emphasis should have been on the amount of extra kills (loot instances) you get for the same cost with the "superior" weapon.

Rather than saying "you save 58.000 peds on 100.000 kills" It should have been worded "You get 19.808 extra loot instances for the same cost" . IMO

EDIT: The statement "that means you SAVE the 36.000ped needed for upgrading from one 2.96 to a 3.44 dpp weapon with 62.068 Ambulimax killed" however I can agree, while true, is not relevant
 
To op which gun are we talking about here?
 
I'm selling my adjusted ml-35 for 25k... lol
 
To op which gun are we talking about here?

neauralizer-featured.png
 
Okay it seems for the last couple of days people have been bashing on others for selling at ridiculous prices. My question to you is, what are you gonna do about it? Do you have the ability to loot that item? If yes, then good for you keep at it. If not, then u do not decide what is the right price for it. Agreed some people have stupid price tags, but then again as most people have said, the buyer decides if the price is worth it and you cant do anything to change that perception of that person. Some people are impatient and will buy an EMT mod 2350 for even 8k cause they need it asap. So coming back to my point, let the sellers price their crap at whatever they want to. If you don't like their price tag, don't buy it. Short of you expecting an MA official to take an item away from someone whos pricing it ridiculously, there is nothing you can do about it. I'm not bashing on anyone here but I'm tired of seeing people post stuff that is just a drama fest and not really useful. Sorry if I offend anyone here.:cautious:
 
Putting the facts with data will make a lot people who keep arguing a big stopper.

Instead of advertising a gun or item the price you are asking, show the result. The years of grinding and put an example.
No one ever will then ask you why u are asking 500k for an item. But untill then, keep arguing back and forth.

On the other hand, i find it quite funny that mining with L gear still beats those 100k+ guns investment. Something doesn't sound right to me.
 
I don’t doubt there is value of these weapons. But some overplay this trying to reinforce that the gear is the only thing you will need to profit. Tool, skill, knowledge and timing are the big 4 factors to success and you need to master all of them.
How many times have we heard “You will profit with this gun, I have made so much money, best decision I have made” and “WTS [Awesome Gun, FEN Edition], PED only offers” touted by the same person?

Like hey if you want more PED just go out and grind your weapon...right?

Obviously people do sell their gear legitimately as well, but come on we all know what’s going on.
 
I am a middleclass player and i remember:

The last price inflation bubble of this size i saw in 2008.
But then, due to the housing and banking crisis some ppl needed to withdraw to pay their real life estate mortages.
Just a little more funds got withdrawn than deposited. That was enough to get the snowball rolling downhill.

The highest invested players started to liquidate the Loot1.0 moneyprinters at ridiculous prices (like 250k-400k for mod faps, imk2, etc.).

When the snowball reached even ground, the avalanche had swept everything down the hill by 60-80%, and also most of the middle class players, who in their mass paid MAs bills. This broke MA's neck more or less.


Today:
The pandemic with its lockdowns is coming to an end soon.
Some invested players will withdraw to buy a new car, go on holiday, spend their money outside again.
Now the Loot2.0 moneyprinter equivalents get liquidated.

Always keep in mind with your 500k purchase:
In the end according to the EULA (§7. Explicit consent to no right of withdrawal) MA owes us nothing, not even TT values.
And IF MindArk allows withdrawals, then according to EULA (§13. Limitation of Liability) MA owes us nothing that exceeds the total amount of PEDs that you have purchased during the six months period before your withdrawal.
So just in case you did well during the last six months and did not need to deposit much...

Enjoy the show.
:popcorn:


@Evey :
I do not need to like or consent with all MA decisions.
I enjoy the game and its RCE idea within the limits I consider to be reasonable for me under those given circumstances.

Other people's limits may vary.

Players, stay reasonable.
 
Last edited:
@Evey :
I do not need to like or consent with all MA decisions.
Under those given circumstances I enjoy the game and its RCE idea within the limits I consider to be reasonable for me.
I can understand that, it makes sense. No one agrees 100% with all their decisions, well not me anyway. But the following quote doesn't make much sense to bring it up constantly as an argument for why you cannot progress much or ...? Or are you constantly using it to try an insult players that do well in the game, thinking it's their only 'gig' and get they pay check from a 'starlet'? Or are you using it as an excuse for your lack of more satisfactory results?

I already have a profession and i am already well invested, and both don't rely on an ukrainian porno starlet owned, fishy swedish company that is lurching on the edge of bankruptcy every other year.

For me it is just pixels in a game.
Anyway, we get it, you're not a fan. Tell you a secret, we don't (or we shouldn't ) care about the management much, especially who they are and what they do/did before, we should care just about the directions of the game, hope they have great devs that do cool stuff and if they manage to keep the gam alive some more.... maybe try some constructive feedback and such where you don't like the content, but they are not to blame for the items prices :))

There are many factors here and probably only like 1% of people invest in weapons just like you would invest in some funds being super worried of the item's price 10 years from now.
Like I said, people get these and make back the investment in a couple of years (not talking about really casual players or the 500k price weapons); me for example, couldn't care less if the price goes to the ground in 10-15 years, as long as I have a fantastic tool and can profit from the best opportunities of every event. I got mine, only from profits ingame, less than a year ago, made back the money several times already. Its value in 10 years is not on my worry list and will never be. I didn't buy it to resell it for profit (I could easy make 2x on it today). I got it to use it for a very long time...

If you want to buy a weapon to shoot an hour a day or to pose around in Fort Fury with it, yeah, the price is insane.... but if you know what to use it on to produce some PEDs, today's prices can be justified (up to a point ofc....)
 
OP believes that these guns ARE overpriced. Evey believes that they are NOT overpriced. I think the argument becomes: Can these guns EVER be overpriced.

Can something like art ever be overpriced? I'd say no. Price is what a bidder will pay because they like the art more than the money.

However, these guns are not like art. They're tools to make money. At some point there's simply not enough hours in the day to recoup the cost on them before MA nerfs everything... and you know they will. Loot 3.0 or some other shit will come out and everyone will be clamoring for the new hotness. It's part of their business plan and absolutely intentional so if you're betting against this happening then, good luck to you.

So yes, I believe a tool can be overpriced.
 
It's coming up on 20 years since PE Gold and, during their "Twentieth Year Celebration" they let the following gun drop.

"BP120 Raptor TWENTY"

Properly amped, tiered, pilled, the stats look like this:
300dps
100% eff

What would that do to the price of your current gun?
 
You are competing against people who don't need their money. Some will dump "whatever it takes" to be the biggest badass even in the smallest kettle of fish.

Fun fact: If you have the dough to get in at or pay through to the top, or the genius to make it entirely inside the game, you are equipped for reaching so much further elsewhere. What on earth are you doing playing a game all day?
 
What I don't understand is how do you convince someone to splurge 50k USD on a virtual gun? You gotta convince them that it's a good idea, right? So how does this conversation go?

Seller: I have this gun for 500k PED and I need to sell it to move on to something else
Buyer: Nice gun, I like it, but the price is too high
Seller: Not at all. You see, with this gun you can make a fortune, just give me 50k USD and go shooting, I might share my data with you, or I might not since I'm just reselling... anyway, this is a profit generating machine, you want it or not? Many people are asking me about it you know.
Buyer: Sure, I'll take 2.
 
What I don't understand is how do you convince someone to splurge 50k USD on a virtual gun? You gotta convince them that it's a good idea, right? So how does this conversation go?

Seller: I have this gun for 500k PED and I need to sell it to move on to something else
Buyer: Nice gun, I like it, but the price is too high
Seller: Not at all. You see, with this gun you can make a fortune, just give me 50k USD and go shooting, I might share my data with you, or I might not since I'm just reselling... anyway, this is a profit generating machine, you want it or not? Many people are asking me about it you know.
Buyer: Sure, I'll take 2.
Nice that you've hidden Rick England's name from buyer when he bought Thrifoid Mace FEN edition not knowing what's it supposed to do exactly...
I would hope players like those read the forums and NOT BUY that kind of gear with no data, no prior tests, no simulation of numbers, anything... I would hope that there are very few people that get their facts only from the sellers of the said weapon... there are like one gazillion people with experience in the game one PM away, willing to answer questions and such... but sadly there are people like that, yes, then you see them crying, like Rick did, because he thought he would get back in HOF the MU he payed for the weapon and had extremely silly expectations.
Me for example, I rented and tested a lot of types of guns, used and abused the wiki weapon compare and when you do that a lot, you know exactly what to expect. I hope people buy the guns knowing exactly what to expect....
 
Yes. Guns are overpriced ,thats it, its that simple. Overpriced. Simple. Everyone who now is stating they got monies back from invested in gun like that NEVER paid 500k for a gun in first place.......
 
paying a lot for main professions equipment mostly comes down to trust / hope, at least for the players considering ROI at all
do you trust / hope to get back your ROI by grinding / events, before some better equipment / loot system is introduced?
how do you quantify your trust (hope I not a factor)? imho by continuously (not saying I am good at following the recipe myself but trying to):
  • measuring trust in MA and games longevity, loot system stability
  • evaluating your ability to grind / do events more / better than others
  • evaluating MU possibilities (doing dpp/efficiency calculations with the goal of estimating effects on the returns is not reliable as of no sure reference, the tt return system is purposefully a black box with some hints, loot 2.0 reinforced it after dpp effects were overdone)
  • evaluating MA statements on stats of equipment and following them as much as reasonable
  • observing and evaluating what and how others are doing (though don't assume you would get the same for doing the same, at least not short term)
it seems like a good thing that the trust is growing (and prices with it), it would eventually be a bad thing if it is just based on hope / misplaced trust as it comes with a lot of disappointment
 
I wonder if this 150-500k weapons drop initiated by some rumor from insider about upcoming loot 3.0. Then all these buyers are really in trouble.
 
Back
Top