Sent this support case!!??

[Lorthis]

I sent this support case, because i think it is time now that we make a stand to MA to sort this scam rip off gambling game out once and for all...

You can see from the numbers that a big one is going to drop for you soon Grab a handful of the biggest amps you can and go get it, within a few weeks you may lose it!

 

[TheLastKnight]

I feel for OP, and I won't discredit his claim of low % returns. We've all been there, and there are stupid long spells of bad luck. I've had a whole month of TERRIBLE loot, but I play what I can afford and I enjoy it (the bad spells would have you thinking otherwise ).

What I would point out is, from personal experience, EVERYONE remembers the bad loot, the dismal runs, the "rip off gambling that EU is" especially when you've had a stretch of bad runs. However, no one ever remembers (they do, but it's EU's fault we don't get more :/, so we shove it back in our memories) the great runs of profit, the ubers, the rare loot, etc. when it comes to whining. I've met a lot of people and made a lot of friends, and we've all had THIS experience.

What I'm trying to say is, it can get bad, and sadly, there's more bad runs than good, but the good runs can compensate, albeit a little while, for those bad runs. If you feel that those bad runs are too bad, and it's not worth depositing...then don't. This game isn't for everyone. Many have found a niche, and they are happy with it, others are here for entertainment. If you cant afford your style of play, adapt to something worth your time or reconsider why you are here.

OP, good luck in the future, hope things work out for you.

 

[OZtwo]

You can see from the numbers that a big one is going to drop for you soon Grab a handful of the biggest amps you can and go get it, within a few weeks you may lose it!

Oh come on don't do that! You know he will. He just needs our support and yes someone close to him really needs to take his CC away from him.

 

[slick27]

I sent this support case, because i think it is time now that we make a stand to MA to sort this scam rip off gambling game out once and for all...........

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History for support case 292729:

2014-12-05 22:46 You wrote:


I am sick to death now of constantly getting no return or 20%-50%,

How is this even fair......

Deposit after deposit after deposit, and return sucks,

In mining i have not had a global in 1 month, what the hell is going on with this game, i cant get NOTHING. ALL I DO IS DEPOSIT AND DEPOSIT ALL THE TIME...

I can never even get a HOF and i cant even global, WHY THE HELL IS MY RETURN SOO BAD ALL THE TIME...

THIS GAME IS A TOTAL TOTAL SCAM, this game needs to be shut down and REPORTED for fairness...

It really is a discrace how damn bad this game is, WHY WHY WHY CANT I GET ANY DECENT RETURN OR EVEN ANY GLOBALS OR HOFS???

PLEASE SORT THIS RUBBISH OUT... or i will report this game to the authorities for gambling scam rip off....

Please CHECK MY ACCOUNT FOR FAIRNESS??

I WANT A FULL REFUND OF ALL MY DEPOSITS, THIS IS OUT OF ORDER AND NOT FUN WHAT SO EVER, it is the biggest rip off in the world this game is, soo expensive to play and cant even keep deposits for long, it is seriously unfair 100% SCAM game

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I don't care what troll replies i get, this game is seriously bad in return, all i ever do is deposit and deposit, played this game since beta, cant even tower in mining, cant get a hof bigger than 2k, cycling and cycling thousands and thousands of peds daily, and for what, to never even get globals or hofs big enough to compensate me for my loyalty over all these damn years, its totally disgusting that all these years and i cant even get a hof over 2k LET ALONE a tower.

Rant over...

P.S : i will not reply to this thread, so don't ask me any questions, so any trolls or negative posts will just be ignored...

Over And Out

Hey man we all know what its like with loot but just try and push through the bad times. I went for a total of 6 months constant loses before i finally hit my crafting uber and i can tell you right now you returns are better then some of the crafting runs i had where i lost 2kped without a global. A few months i cycled way over 10kped and didnt even hit a small hof.

CALL IT stupid but i was like you thought the game was complete B******* a gamble as they say. But i stayed the course tried to push through the bad times which is less stupid because i recouped some of what i put in. So my advise keep carrying on drop the big amps and save those for when you are getting more claims or see an increased return. But you have to remeber even with your returns now 30 to 50% - 10% ma tax it will still take a while to aquire the ped for kick out and even then you got to be in the right place at the right time.

But as mega keeps saying all this ped get stored somewhere and to a certain degree it does. What works for others dont work for some. so don't be a sheep and follow where the globals are because most time for me it hasn't payed off doing events high turnover mobs high turnover blueprints etc. ie where loads people are cycleing ped

shaun

 

[Zenzile]

I think the problem is either your record keeping or your techniques.

I don't think it's possible to get 20-50% mining returns repeatedly using standard, non-overlapping mining on planet (i.e. no standing in one place and dropping, or going on extremely short runs).

Out of 6500 "full" 200 ped runs recorded (unamped, planet-side, multiple miners):

TT returns:
<50% = 1 run
50-60% = less than 1% of runs
60-70% = less than 10% of runs

See also this graph:

Not sure what the fuck you are mining lol, but over many full over 200 ped logged runs they were nearly all 50-60% with a few being big ass hofs. I'm not sure how you mine, but I mine a straight 2 resources which I am very certain is the cause, though either way I get my peds back but the swings are just a bit fucking horrible.

Honestly around 80-85% of my runs are 60-70%, though <50% runs for me are very rare (planetside)

 

[Ace Flyster]

Really? 20% - 50% returns....i call B**lsh*t

In fact i would go as far to say to get under 50% with 300 drops is near on impossible

Rgds

Ace

Idk what planet you live on but I lost 5k mining in a few days with 128% mu lol... (lvl 5 amps btw, so I think your comment is really fucking hilarious)

In fact my longest nrf streak was 120 drops, and no I wasn't double dropping in twins or some stupid shit like that.

Last time I played, I did a fun 650TT run on FOMA while double bombing... came back home with 220TT, but hey, that's short run

It seems drinking and posting is not one of my skills , of course i meant planetside. I had no idea he was mining none planet.

I have very little data for none planet, but i am guessing it is a factor out (x10 ?). If that is the case instead of 300 bombs for >50% for every run. For none planet runs to gaurantee >50% tt returns i would guess 3000 bombs? (Per run)

But i don't have the stats for that. So i will bow out of this thread as it is none planet mining....

Rgds

Ace

PS i have done some mining none planet, i think my worst NRF was around 140 ish bombs

 

[WhiningSkeptic]

It seems drinking and posting is not one of my skills , of course i meant planetside. I had no idea he was mining none planet.

I have very little data for none planet, but i am guessing it is a factor out (x10 ?). If that is the case instead of 300 bombs for >50% for every run. For none planet runs to gaurantee >50% tt returns i would guess 3000 bombs? (Per run)

But i don't have the stats for that. So i will bow out of this thread as it is none planet mining....

Rgds

Ace

PS i have done some mining none planet, i think my worst NRF was around 140 ish bombs

According to search radius and math, mining indoors should yield about a quarter of the hits you get planet side, basically a chance of 1/12 to hit opposed to roughly 1/3.

It is no wonder people go and lose money indoors. I'll share a tip with all of you that I shared in #Monria yesterday: If you want consistent returns indoors on a small budget, use the rookie finder. Since the cost per drop is much lower, you will be able to do more drops essentially enabling indoors mining with an outdoors budget.

 

[Zenzile]

It seems drinking and posting is not one of my skills , of course i meant planetside. I had no idea he was mining none planet.

I have very little data for none planet, but i am guessing it is a factor out (x10 ?). If that is the case instead of 300 bombs for >50% for every run. For none planet runs to gaurantee >50% tt returns i would guess 3000 bombs? (Per run)

But i don't have the stats for that. So i will bow out of this thread as it is none planet mining....

Rgds

Ace

PS i have done some mining none planet, i think my worst NRF was around 140 ish bombs

Damn, that is quite a bad NRF streak lol! And I thought I could complain

I suppose you are right btw. Yea, <50% tt return in 300 bombs planetside is very uncommon.

 

[Lorthis]

Dont' give up. Those bad runs means you have saved up for a big hit. You only need to use bigger amps to get the highest multiplier when it hits. In the end you will probably end up with just a small profit from the markup. Nicely done.

 

[shoti]

Dont' give up. Those bad runs means you have saved up for a big hit. You only need to use bigger amps to get the highest multiplier when it hits. In the end you will probably end up with just a small profit from the markup. Nicely done.

U trying to be abusive or sarcastic ?

 

[Gewitter]

For anyone who did not agree with me and has difference with my point of view.
I have read many of the arguments.
I agree that there are good days and bad (not only days, also weeks!).
Return should be calculated on a monthly basis (in TT+MU). I do that in Excel.
Last year I calculated out return on the hunt, every month there was a profit.
This year I started manufacturing, including some gambling (like condition). I'm still in the black.
However, in all cases, I know when to stop.
If you see that the return is bad - stop!
Go do something else. The problem is not in the game, the problem is you! Very few people can stop in time, while using elements such gambling as indoor mining logic and mining amplifiers (or condition in crafting).
What you do if you continue grinding (yes-yes, next drop with terra 10 is ATH lol):
1. Feed the other players. Thank you for that from all of us! We love you!
2. Write angry letters in support, but support will not help you. You will be disappointed after reading their answer.
3. Write the history of failures here on PCF. Thank you. I love to read it.
4. Will do a depo again and again. For thousands of dollars. Yes-yes, we love you!
This is your destiny

Cure: If you gameplay during the month is always negative, it means, that you do not what you must to do. Change of activity (profession) or rest from the game for week/month. For strong addicts it will not help.

Return in EU is always close to 90% in TT, for all players. But not for gamblers, addicts and fools (it's not personal insulting). EU is the game for them, who can wait and can do a calculations.

For them, who need only swirlies and big HoF's without brain, excel and calculator I know only one cure - permanent deposit.

 

[DavinFelth]

To the OP: reading through some replies, I see many of the same types of things I got when I wrote a thread similar to this. You get a bucket full of suggestions, which is great - but leaves you with not knowing which to follow. Most end up saying - it is your playing style, you are gambling, stick with it, and stuff like that. I really feel for you, because I am in the same frustrated boat. I still believe we are the customers and if we are that unhappy and spend that much money - it is the responsibility of the company to do something or they will loose our business. I just think MA doesn't care and that is their prerogative. It's just a shame to be so frustrated over a game that you have enjoyed for years. I'm glad people in this game are so helpful. It's just a shame that many of the suggestions even say they are boring. So in order to not blow your wallet you have to do something boring for hours on end... what's the point then? That's what I go to school for! LOL.
Right now I'm working on 10k puny mission on Caly because of these things. I do it for 20-40 mins and I'm bored and log off. That's all I'm trying to do until I finish. Great game huh?
I hope it gets better - I don't know - keeps posting, keep making support cases. don't be silent or don't rage quit.

 

[Zenzile]

Mining simply has big swings. Adjust accordingly. If you can't handle it don't do it.

Mine straight unamped, planetside, for high mu ores and you should get your big hof sooner or later

No point responding to this shit bitching thread though, OP won't even read it.

 

[Parlog]

i wrote a thread like this just 5 weeks ago. I know exactly where op is comming from. After my biggest low loot streak ever i finally managed to tune into my level and work my way back up again. I made some HoFs in the meantime, i saw close friends ATH just yesterday. Many things are different now compared to back then. But it still works. I am a little more confident about loot now than i was a few weeks ago.

I got a strange thought on my mind: Maybe the OP is a darn lucky person to be not infected with the HoF-virus. I wish him all the best for the future.

 

[K-Max]

Friend sent something like this and nagged them daily.... leads to account lock

 

[2mas]

I was mad once. Then I L2P.

 

[Robin]

20-50% in mining.. you're doing something wrong. Want a global, amp.

It is possible NOW...not in the past but NOW

 

[Lerxst]

I haven't seen swirlies in over 2 years. Over that time I've lost around 10k ped and not playing as much as I used to. I keep logging in thinking the next VU will change but it just keeps getting worse. So what where do we go from here? Mining, Crafting, Hunting....all major ped dumps so.....

 

[Steveyneo]

The UK Gambling Commission says of fruit machines: "All gaming machines are required to clearly display the percentage return-to-player figure (% RTP), or the odds of winning a prize, from use of the machine."

I wonder if we should be seeing something like that applied to participation in Entropia.

Just saying