FYI: Smilgs hunting log - 2016 and beyond

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Hello all.

After the v2012 log expired on editing, took a bit of a break posting. Now restarting with a revamp.
The goal of this thread is still to show what you can profit/lose by hunting in Entropia.

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Smilgs is a lvl 221 laser pistoler, 253 laser dmg, lvl 201 laser sniper, lvl 105 pyro hit, lvl 156 pyro dmg, lvl 123 evader, lvl 109 dodger, lvl 108 paramedic, 510hp, lvl 141 average prof-standing combat for now. Lvl 102 animal, 88 mutant and 72 robot looter.

1.023M total skills by MA ingame count, all (?) known unlocks (46) done, 154 of 164 skills 2k+, 2 of all 30k+, 7 of all 20k+ and 33 of all 10k+ :)
Using:
  • lp-100 mod t8 + h204 (main dmg) + full dmg enhancers
  • m71a1 t7 + i105 - (tagging, range dmg) + full dmg enhancers
  • arsonistic chip 4 fen (dmg over time t7) + kinetic 7 fen amp + all dmg enhancers
  • mod-perfected gorgon/mod viceroy t5/naked/knight/rascal as armor, mod serpent/5b/6a plates - mostly no enhancers
  • modfap t6 + all heal enhancers
  • buffs - xmas 2020 ring, summer ring 2020, S0ph3 / Asclarias / Ruby kanin pet
  • buffs - divine intervention chip 1, hp coat, horns of Zagul

Will post an update end of each month on actual run results (Google Docs) and also the total.
When relevant, will add my crafting (avg lvl 51) / resource collecting (avg lvl 63) results as well.

I try to follow these simple rules
  1. avoiding taxes to be sure or if there is a great taxback
  2. no/little MU input, as much as possible MU output
  3. max defense costs in terms of armor as of changes to return vs. decay
  4. no extra paid services like healer - with some exceptions
  5. stacking, avoid selling during price curve is @ lowest points for items that have a possible price peak
  6. participating in MA events where I think have a chance
  7. measuring my average return, if decent efficiency, dpp and items and your tt return < 98% for a longer period of time - something is off, or MA changed rules

P.S.
The math of return vs. time spent and pure potential balance is pretty interesting.
1) Since my return, ~10 years ago around ~36400 hours have been spent in hunting (not counting the other related activities like selling loot etc. lets just disregard them).
I doubt anyone close to Europe would be spending time for less than 4$ per hour which is already very low.
Meaning ~145k$ worth of time spent on hunting activity, with ~+38k$ return.
Time spent vs. loot gained balance -107k$
2) Real spent money wise, with 149kEur or 178k usd spent based on current rate, best case selling all equipment would be ~76k usd back
best case selling bulk avatar skills etc ~65k usd back
Balance everything spent plus theoretical sale -37k$

Considering the money and time spent, it has been an expensive hobby at this level and with my behavior so far, and shit-loads of time spent to maintain it.

P.S.2
I might sound bitter and quite often and not too trustful in MA, well it has some grounds:
  • investing in overall skills, efficiency and looter skills have not had the promised effect on my tt returns, they are most often in the good old 95% to 96% range
  • after buying both of the unique Osseocollum land areas end of 2013 - one with 2x dna small maturity and one with 1x dna big maturity, with the higher maturities having a different (better) loot composition and decent MU overall, ~1 year later MA redesigned the loot tables making all the maturities loot the same + lowering MU for osseos by changing what can be looted, dropping the worth of the investment a lot with immediate effect
  • I went on to collect TEN Chronicle armor set in 2013 and spent ~80k peds for the 6 parts, just to see the last part event for it never happen, and has not happened to date still even though by now even FEN event is over, support is radio silent on it
  • ~6 months after I bought the top Merry x-mas gun with buff effects (Viridian) spending 90k in purchase and tiers to T9, there was a decision to nullify crit buff effects on return which left me with a highly undesirable weapon
  • ~1 year after I acquired the soul-bound Viceroy armor set for ~18k peds, there was a decision to nullify crit buff effects on return which left me with a virtually useless expensive soul-bound armor
  • I bought the most expensive amp (2 in existence) for my unique sword, Trauma 10 amplifier March 2018 - 9 months later 13 FEN Trauma 10 amplifiers dropped which were all superior to mine
 
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Total from 01.01.2011 = +576,011 PED hunting, -2,389 PED in mining and -25,751 PED in crafting
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September 2021 = 0 hunting so far
August 2021 = +68,950 hunting (100.37% tt)
July 2021 = +18,918 hunting (96.67% tt)
June 2021 = +15,905 hunting (99.13% tt)
May 2021 = +38,606 hunting (98.56% tt)
April 2021 = +3,505 hunting (94.84% tt)
March 2021 = +2,967 hunting (99.1% tt)
February 2020 = -1,124 hunting (94.76% tt)
January 2021 = +13,287 hunting (96.75% tt)
December 2020 = +18,471 hunting (102.22% tt)
November 2020 = +13,291 hunting (106.19% tt)
October 2020 = +12,746 hunting (103.98% tt)
September 2020 = +3,735 hunting (101.1% tt)
August 2020 = -12,724 hunting (95.39% tt)
July 2020 = -11,719 hunting (95.53% tt)
June 2020 = -1,649 hunting (98.56% tt)
May 2020 = -4,902 hunting (97.60% tt)
April 2020 = -656 hunting (99.35% tt)
March 2020 = -9,449 hunting (96.47% tt)
February 2020 = -5,005 hunting (96.99% tt)
January 2020 = -1,991 hunting (98.34% tt)
December 2019 = +17,123 hunting (101.81% tt)
November 2019 = +1,754 hunting (99.18% tt)
October 2019 = +3,885 hunting (100.08% tt)
September 2019 = -7,971 hunting (94.83% tt)
August 2019 = -15,611 hunting (93.61% tt)
July 2019 = +3,172 hunting (96.67% tt)
June 2019 = +5,863 hunting (96.43% tt)
May 2019 = -14,084 hunting (94.58% tt)
April 2019 = +1,997 hunting (99.16% tt)
March 2019 = -3,992 hunting (96.21% tt)
February 2019 = +45,591 hunting (99.73% tt)
January 2019 = +3837 hunting (98.95% tt)
December 2018 = +757 hunting (93.94% tt)
November 2018 = +3451 hunting (95.84% tt)
October 2018 = +2060 hunting (95.00% tt)
September 2018 = +608 hunting (95.39% tt)
August 2018 = -546 hunting (95.77% tt)
July 2018 = +2,136 hunting (95.44% tt)
June 2018 = +10,543 hunting (99.45% tt)
May 2018 = +9,712 hunting (101.06% tt)
April 2018 = +4,356 hunting (98.24% tt)
March 2018 = +21,434 hunting (102.45% tt)
February 2018 = -1,329 hunting (97.04% tt)
January 2018 = -1,045 hunting (96.09% tt)
December 2017 = -4,942 hunting (91.84% tt)
November 2017 = -16,328 hunting (94.52% tt)
October 2017 = -4,312 hunting (95.32% tt)
September 2017 = -10,944 hunting (95.05% tt)
August 2017 = -27,335 hunting (91.09% tt)
July 2017 = -11,929 hunting (94.31% tt)
June 2017 = -581 hunting (97.63% tt)
May 2017 = -7,836 hunting (96.8% tt)
April 2017 = +18,897 hunting (105.70% tt)
March 2017 = -15,525 hunting (92.97% tt)
February 2017 = -10,403 hunting (95.77% tt)
January 2017 = -16,649 hunting (93.22% tt)
December 2016 = -13,490 hunting (94.40% tt)
November 2016 = -15,825 hunting (92.35% tt)
October 2016 = -3,644 hunting (97.35% tt)
September 2016 = -4,840 hunting (95.84% tt)
August 2016 = +1,420 hunting (95.75% tt)
July 2016 = +29,705 hunting (97.44% tt) - 28.2k MU from 2015 migration
June 2016 = +6,319 hunting (100.83% tt)
May 2016 = +1,035 hunting (99.86% tt)
April 2016 = -15,550 hunting (92.90% tt)
March 2016 = +16,022 hunting (105.98% tt)
February 2016 = +42,978 hunting (117.72% tt)
January 2016 = -2,475 hunting (95.26% tt)
December 2015 = +31,227 hunting (111.59% tt)
November 2015 = +11,070 hunting (100.62% tt)
October 2015 = +14,711 hunting (104.03% tt)
September 2015 = +8,092 hunting (101.25% tt)
August 2015 = +33,107 hunting (108.86% tt)
July 2015 = +10,836 hunting (95.54% tt)
June 2015 = +50,839 hunting (111.71% tt)
May 2015 = +32,665 hunting (111.87% tt)
April 2015 = +10,023 hunting (101.21% tt)
March 2015 = -203 hunting (98.20% tt)
February 2015 = +17,680 hunting (105.86% tt), +1,681 crafting (100.36% tt)
January 2015 = +18,928 hunting (103.47% tt), -27,432 crafting (94.09% tt)
December 2014 = +11,218 hunting (97.17% tt)
November 2014 = -14,404 hunting (93.72% tt)
October 2014 = -17,135 hunting (89.89% tt)
September 2014 = +813 hunting (92.85% tt)
August 2014 = +74,900 hunting (107.55% tt)
July 2014 = +6,056 hunting (99.18% tt)
June 2014 = +15,399 hunting (102.88% tt)
May 2014 = +19,634 hunting (103.83% tt)
April 2014 = +19,585 hunting (104.09% tt)
March 2014 = +105,420 hunting (140.81% tt)
February 2014 = -8,998 hunting (92.29% tt)
January 2014 = -7,014 hunting (91.61% tt)
December 2013 = -12,255 hunting (90.93% tt)
November 2013 = -17,853 hunting (88.97% tt)
October 2013 = +11,160 hunting (97.91% tt)
September 2013 = +36,445 hunting (99.40% tt)
August 2013 = +25,470 hunting (101.64% tt)
July 2013 = +30,997 hunting (92.31% tt)
June 2013 = +41 hunting (93.64% tt)
May 2013 = +4,902 hunting (100.05% tt)
April 2013 = +10,538 hunting (93.78% tt)
March 2013 = -6,242 hunting (92.73% tt)
February 2013 = -118 hunting (94.24% tt)
January 2013 = -8,588 hunting (90.34% tt)
December 2012 = +1,961 hunting (90.07% tt)
November 2012 = -10,491 hunting (92.62% tt)
October 2012 = +9,190 hunting (90.59% tt), -2,168 mining
September 2012 = -13,739 hunting, -168 mining
August 2012 = -2,668 hunting, -1,043 mining
July 2012 = +35,000 hunting, -2,932 mining
June 2012 = +2,819 hunting, -1,006 mining
May 2012 = -12,736 hunting, +2,869 mining
April 2012 = -6,646 hunting, +1,116 mining
March 2012 = -20,411 hunting, -2,894 mining
February 2012 = -6,857 hunting
January 2012 = +13,181 hunting
December 2011 = +31,659 hunting
November 2011 = -19,482 hunting
October 2011 = -6,832 hunting
September 2011 = -28,388 hunting
August 2011 = -3,306 hunting
July 2011 = -24,835 hunting
June 2011 = -14,879 hunting
May 2011 = -8,909 hunting
April 2011 = -6,624 hunting
March 2011 = -14,780 hunting
February 2011 = -13,914 hunting
January 2011 = -9,879 hunting

Hunting results per day in Google Docs - includes summary worksheets - 1) per mob, 2) per month results and 3) tt trendline graph

The runs are captured by TT + writing down MU when stuff sells.
"Iron-shit" includes all the mobs that are basically only grind-ed for attributes or skills. I call them iron-shit missions regardless if they are located in Arkadia/Rocktropia/Calypso/wherever.
 
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Any particular reason you appear to hunt osseo exclusively?
 

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Multiple in fact
* own 2 LA's of them, so hunting there helps to promote
* return is really good
* like the mob for its slowness, size and no regen
* stalkers hit me a lot which helps to get evader up
Any particular reason you appear to hunt osseo exclusively?
 

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first update, quite a red one :(

April 2016 = -15,550 hunting (92.90% tt)

only big change, tried accuracy enhancers for a full month. I know it sounds crazy knowing that MU to make them with dianthus over 200% is 750% or so

but if calculating dpp mathematically (proven by real measurements), it actually is same dpp as without the enhancers on mm + my buffs, so in theory more kills for the same cost

looking at the result:
  • well yet another case to say that dpp calculations do not directly relate to returns
  • also weird, it coincided to be first month that I remember in a long time without bigger hofs (2k+) - effect of enhancers? does MA algorithm take into account only enhancer tt and think that I'm profitting crazy amounts?

cannot know, but for now it seems this experiment is to be considered failure and will be going back to un-enhanced main gun for daily hunts as soon as running out of enhancers
 

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Multiple in fact
* own 2 LA's of them, so hunting there helps to promote
* return is really good
* like the mob for its slowness, size and no regen
* stalkers hit me a lot which helps to get evader up

Thanks. Just curious what MU you're chasing on them, my guess is ESIs mainly :scratch2:

I know it sounds crazy knowing that MU to make them with dianthus over 200% is 750%

Thank you on behalf of all us miners for keeping Dianthus MU up :yay:
 

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Gl with this.
One of the few who could inspire me.
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Thanks for sharing!!
 

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Good luck with the new log and thank you for sharing.

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It is very impressive what you've done so far Smilgs, and thank you for sharing. Find it always interesting to see how others approach EU's dynamic palates, and how players evolve throughout the years for better or worse. In your case, you've evolved into a successful, persistent, & methodical thoughtful killing/looting Osseo machine. Wish you the best on this in moving forward.

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Hey, great log. It shows a lot of stuff. Since presidential voting begin, I was always saying that you should be the mr President since you share a lot of info with community.

But I actually have one noobish question for you :) 750k+ TS sounds like really great number, do you have any info about avatars who still have more skills than you or you are just top skilled avatar ingame? Ty for response.

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" understand that people will be jealous of Smilgs getting profits if they are losing."

Not at all ! Actually i have you as friend on EntropiaLife for years, and i am often surprised that you don't loot more.
 

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first update, quite a red one :(

April 2016 = -15,550 hunting (92.90% tt)

only big change, tried accuracy enhancers for a full month. I know it sounds crazy knowing that MU to make them with dianthus over 200% is 750% or so

but if calculating dpp mathematically (proven by real measurements), it actually is same dpp as without the enhancers on mm + my buffs, so in theory more kills for the same cost

looking at the result:
  • well yet another case to say that dpp calculations do not directly relate to returns
  • also weird, it coincided to be first month that I remember in a long time without bigger hofs (2k+) - effect of enhancers? does MA algorithm take into account only enhancer tt and think that I'm profitting crazy amounts?

cannot know, but for now it seems this experiment is to be considered failure and will be going back to un-enhanced main gun for daily hunts as soon as running out of enhancers

This question coming from you seems stupid, but every question is a good one, I'll say that I'm 99% sure only TT matters.
 

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Hey, great log. It shows a lot of stuff. Since presidential voting begin, I was always saying that you should be the mr President since you share a lot of info with community.

But I actually have one noobish question for you :) 750k+ TS sounds like really great number, do you have any info about avatars who still have more skills than you or you are just top skilled avatar ingame? Ty for response.

Best regards,
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I think Dan is most skilled avatar but i can be wrong.

I Love to watch your log, it gives me hope :)
 

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good a hof happened on the last day of the month :D
May 2016 = +1,035 hunting (99.86% tt)
 

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wow only +1k for the month and that's with 99.86% tt return, that just shows there is no markup (unless really lucky) in game right now.
 

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wow only +1k for the month and that's with 99.86% tt return, that just shows there is no markup (unless really lucky) in game right now.

Well he said he only adds markup to the stats "when stuff sells", so we don't know if markup is in this equation or not.
 

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June 2016 = +6,319 hunting (100.83% tt)
 
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Grats for yet another great month! :)
 

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This is the worst migration I remember so far. There are only 2 good things to be said from my perspective
1) had some MU to add from last year's ELM guns otherwise it would be +1505 peds which would be miserable
2) the ELM guns this year do not drop as unbalanced as last year, and at least the blood samples aren't rare loot messages
as for the bad, very little 10k+ hofs (got none same as last year), eo stalkers loot when solo is just wrong, those blood samples are still a joke and no items like mod shadow and angel or other exclusives is stupid since honestly, there is no more concern for screwing MU on them, its all freefall anyway

July 2016 = +29,705 hunting (97.44% tt)
 

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Have you been riding elm markup from last year every month since then or has this month been the anomoly?

And yea, it was apparent I needed to skip migration.
 

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This is the worst migration I remember so far. There are only 2 good things to be said from my perspective
1) had some MU to add from last year's ELM guns otherwise it would be +1505 peds which would be miserable
2) the ELM guns this year do not drop as unbalanced as last year, and at least the blood samples aren't rare loot messages
as for the bad, very little 10k+ hofs (got none same as last year), eo stalkers loot when solo is just wrong, those blood samples are still a joke and no items like mod shadow and angel or other exclusives is stupid since honestly, there is no more concern for screwing MU on them, its all freefall anyway

July 2016 = +29,705 hunting (97.44% tt)

You complain at +30k in a month? :D

Youve lost it!!!
 
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