So is this "universe" totally unbalanced?

[golddude]

you beet him in crafting

ary

 

[Henceforth]

ehm tracked did not logg your recent 23.760 thorifoid.

But comeon you should know you had a tiny bit more than that 3k largest loot

Add those numbers to your roll out please.



But I Know Whoemi by name, and he was busy in the period I started, about more than 2 years ago, but I agree he should never have gotten that phasm ATH so soon.

 

[Lavawalker]

On a lighter note It is all about perception.

This may help you in understanding your perception

Ok maybe my humor was a little too twisted this time around,
No pun intended Buzz

 

[Nobatbbi]

Randomness can be a bitch. lightning does strike twice.

On another note, there's a certain Boner out there that has had over 10 ATH's...

Dynamic, not random. There is a difference.

 

[FlemishTuner]

The only thing I noticed by myself, the more skills, the less i get.

Had almost no skills (level 13 laser sniper) and hit a 8.7k one on CND after 1 year of playing EU.

Now that I'm level 31 laser sniper, I rarely have a hof and don't got anything higher than 500 ped.

Crafting the same, used to global 5-10 times a day on a stupid bp like Level 2 basic screws. Now on Level 5 bp's, no global yet. (Owkay, it's metal equip, so low input = low output) but it doesn't seem right, you need to have the skills, put in a lot of money for the right QR and then nothing?

Ow well, it's a game and like casino's, if you put in 10k and the other one takes the loot pool, I'm mad that I get nada, but still, need to be happy for the one that got it, else, you're always complaining about something instead of having fun yourself. And one day, the jackpot will be mine (I hope).

 

[Nirfu]

The only thing I noticed by myself, the more skills, the less i get.

Had almost no skills (level 13 laser sniper) and hit a 8.7k one on CND after 1 year of playing EU.

Now that I'm level 31 laser sniper, I rarely have a hof and don't got anything higher than 500 ped.

Crafting the same, used to global 5-10 times a day on a stupid bp like Level 2 basic screws. Now on Level 5 bp's, no global yet. (Owkay, it's metal equip, so low input = low output) but it doesn't seem right, you need to have the skills, put in a lot of money for the right QR and then nothing?

Ow well, it's a game and like casino's, if you put in 10k and the other one takes the loot pool, I'm mad that I get nada, but still, need to be happy for the one that got it, else, you're always complaining about something instead of having fun yourself. And one day, the jackpot will be mine (I hope).

I guess it's the famous midlvl tummy that have changed this. I experience the same thing as you. Globals in the past on small crafting rounds, mining rounds ect. Now you grind at the crafting machine or hunt for crazy numbers without anything....

 

[Az Bloodz]

No it is not unbalanced it's semi-luck based in my opinion. I just do not believe the loot'system' is avatar based and I am quite happy about it because I would not play this game if I could predict my ATH due to the money I've spent. It's totally random, big loots can happen all the time to anyone able hunting this kind of mob so everyone got the same chance.
Of course if you spend 8 hours hunting a day the chance you hit an ATH is higher than the chance of a guy hunting 2 hours a day but still the chance anyone else instead of you hitting an ATH is much much higher so I do not see why you are complaining since it's no secret.
All you can do is decreasing your expenses and increase your chances however there is no gurentee nor will ever be and that's the fun part even though I can understand your disappointment (even though I ain't even near your skills/equipment). Hope you ain't picking on this guy any longer since it is not his fault he has just been lucky and the we as the community should congratulate him instead of letting out anger and envy.

 

[Zacariaz]

I can say for sure, personal experience, that it doesn't matter how much you deposit, it won't make you win.

 

[davidgr1200]

I voted for the "It's reasonably well balanced" option (You wrote "very well" in the list of options, but I assume you mean "reasonably well"). Over time it does seem to work out reasonably well. Of course it is not 100% accurate otherwise we would all get exactly 80% return every time, so there will be a few fluctuations. It's certainly not totally unbalanced. Don't let it worry you though.

 

[Solaxe]

geee buzz.. unbalanced.. its very balanced.

its just a different balance.

your a dedicatet player. why should MA give you a bonus. you allready showen your hooked.

they need new blood. so the give away ATH`s to the noobs. That way more stay and more will come cause.

Its like this.

The new guys!!

Player 1 at random forum;
" i played this online game for 2 weeks and i found 20.000 US crafting some stuff."

Player 2 at random forum ; " omg hit me with a link to that game."

Buzz at random forum; " i played this game forever and i never hit big"

player 2 at random forum;" omg that sucks."

 

[Lavawalker]

geee buzz.. unbalanced.. its very balanced.

its just a different balance.

your a dedicatet player. why should MA give you a bonus. you allready showen your hooked.

they need new blood. so the give away ATH`s to the noobs. That way more stay and more will come cause.

Its like this.

The new guys!!

Player 1 at random forum;
" i played this online game for 2 weeks and i found 20.000 US crafting some stuff."

Player 2 at random forum ; " omg hit me with a link to that game."

Buzz at random forum; " i played this game forever and i never hit big"

player 2 at random forum;" omg that sucks."

Good analogy

Seems like that, only when people get into a mass hysteria over the few who have hit big as complete newcomers. Extremely rare, but it does happen.

I see a pretty big ATH list 100 entries, hardly any of them are complete newcomers that have depositted very little ie. 3 months or under.

 

[Lavawalker]

I guess the most amusing thing is people still think that MA flicks a switch for those who complain, jump up and down and scream

No, the system is automated, no blog shit, no temper tanties, nothing of such nature, even if you start to become a a total pain in the arse to MA and rally the support/sculpture the belief systems of others that this is what will give you a HoF/ATH.

You really think that MA is going to do this for the expected 7 million initial, upto 45 million expected within the first 24 months chinese for CRD, and those who join the CKI, Next Island, .... add planet partner here and here and here.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

Time to pull that commonsense from out of under the carpet I think

MindArk works as a legitiment organisation with a tight knit relationship with both the chinese government/CRD, CKI and PayNova.

These partners would not in a pink fit of sundays work with corrupt organisations.

 

[~ thebuzz ~]

Oh F**K man I never should have made this post...

But I'm apparently not as good to say my point as others do for me in here...

SolAxe does it:

your a dedicatet player. why should MA give you a bonus. you allready showen your hooked.

they need new blood. so the give away ATH`s to the noobs. That way more stay and more will come cause.

Its like this.

The new guys!!

Player 1 at random forum;
" i played this online game for 2 weeks and i found 20.000 US crafting some stuff."

Player 2 at random forum ; " omg hit me with a link to that game."

Buzz at random forum; " i played this game forever and i never hit big"

player 2 at random forum;" omg that sucks."

And Witte too:

Unbalanced in the sense that hofs are too big. But the lootsystem should be without memory, so independent of your previous actions. This will result in situations like this, but it also creates oppertunity to win. When loot would be predetermined I think I would not play EU if I knew about it.

I'm still not complaining I didn't get anything, and I might have to edit my initial post again - and state that I'm aware I got some high loots, none was ATH - but that isnt the point.

I'm still not complaining that "Mr. Nobody" in game got an ATH - but I started to point out it looked as if "Mr. n00b" got 2 giant loots in a matter of weeks.

However now someone in the thread pointed out he was a 2yo avatar or something, and ofcourse its POSSIBLE that his own loot reserve finally paid out when he returned - thats seen several times before...

Maybe thats EU's way of hooking players again, I do not know...

But most important:
Another thing I do point out, is that prior to any ATH or giant loot, the rest of the loot system suffers. Meaning: I constantly hunt, kill a lot of mobs, lose maybe 80% in any hunt up to the giant loots, and I get pissed about hunters having to pay for mining hofs, miners paying for hunters, hunters and miners paying for a giant crafting hof and so forth...

Which is one of my main concerns - why do the loot curve drop so drasticly on ALL other players - just to reward and pay one out.

Point being ... yawn I dont know if I got that above explained correctly:
If I normally on average get 2.5PED on Thorifoids and suddenly during an entire hunt or several hunts only gets 0.5PED on average (even with globals counted), and I continue to chase what seems to save up... Just to experience some person gets an extremely large mining hof or crafting hof - I get seriously pissed...

I'm dedicated, devoted, has an huge fat finger feeling in the loot pattern - and I'm Pisces in the sun signs -

The ruling symbol of your star sign is the fish and just as the fish lives in the ocean, so to is Pisces suffused with feeling and empathy, the emotions that are characterized by water. You truly are a compassionate and unconditionally loving person.

You’re a very emotional person so you need the support of people to allow you to express this. Sometimes because you’re so hypersensitive it works against you and you end up absorbing the negativity of people around you. You mustn’t let others drag you down into their world of bad feelings.

You’re idealistic about the way you see the world and unfortunately what you see is not in keeping with your aspiration. You have to learn to accept the world with all its faults.

[Referance Link]

 

[Az Bloodz]

I get pissed about hunters having to pay for mining hofs, miners paying for hunters, hunters and miners paying for a giant crafting hof and so forth...

I still say no one knows how the loot system is working so you can't know for sure if miners pay for hunters and vice versa but indeed the average return seems to decrease though it still should even out in the long run it's just the run is getting longer and longer but I bet everything I have: you won't complain about the system when you hit big and that's why it's kinda hypocritic.

 

[Morat]

The problem is that the average loot is too low and the "special events" are too high.

Other than that I think who gets it is random (though not when since MA can obviously control the low of loot into the game - ATH when they are on TV is no co-incidence).

In theory Ubers should get more because they have more throws of the dice (spend more and kill more for a given spend - efficiency - for example).

In practice I think the events are so far apart that the Uber's increased chance doesn't show up strongly in a statistical sense (if there is one loot event per week from 1,000,000 possible events, having a 1:1,000,000 chance for most or a 1:100,000 chance for a handful then its probably going to look random.

 

[~ thebuzz ~]

I still say no one knows how the loot system is working so you can't know for sure if miners pay for hunters and vice versa but indeed the average return seems to decrease though it still should even out in the long run it's just the run is getting longer and longer but I bet everything I have: you won't complain about the system when you hit big and that's why it's kinda hypocritic.

Yes I would, cause I know others suffer when I have luck...

And I say - the system is somewhat unbalanced...

I don't mind if I knew that all my "savings" was paid out to me - if it was only MY bad runs that paid for MY big hofs... But it ain't, and anyone saying otherwise - are not dedicated enough / or analyse things enough...

 

[Tricity]

wait... is this a moaning thread made by an uber to tell us that he\she is not getting his well deserved ath while being no.11 in hunting on entropia tracker and sucking 100s of ks from avarage joes like me?
well i'm in the first 1000 at entropia tracker...

 

[GODDOG]

SpiritsGOD

1. Am not new comers - spend more than 3 and half years playing 12-16 hours a day (with some little braks)
2. My ATH is number 80 so dont say all loot go to one player
3. Thebuzz spying me at entropia tracker is sad 8(
I wish you all such luck
bye

 

[Az Bloodz]

Okay, I will post a link to this thread in the HoF section when I see your "FINALLY YEAH YEAH I AM SO HAPPY " - thread there. As long as it evens out [more or less] in the long run it is balanced according to my definition of balanced of course and since in fact who can kill a certain mob/use a certain finder/have a certain BP is able to hit that big HoF it's as balanced as it can be just like rock-paper-scissors.
But tell me: where is the thrill if you know your spendings will come back to you or you will get a gurantee to get back what you are losing? I do not think we would have a community as big as this if it was like that but everyone has got his or her own opinion I suppose. I for one am happy with the randomness the only problem and here I fully agree with you is the numbers. A few years ago when the weekly/monthly 'uber' HoFs were like 5000 PED and the short run return was slightly more constant and predictable it was a little bit more enjoyable though I rather have numbers as big as this and a random system than an avatar-based system. Well again that's just me though.

1. Am not new comers - spend more than 3 and half years playing 12-16 hours a day (with some little braks)
2. My ATH is number 80 so dont say all loot go to one player
3. Thebuzz spying me at entropia tracker is sad 8(
I wish you all such luck
bye

You can register on entropiatracker.com and hide your data in order to prevent ubers from stalking you

 

[Lavawalker]

Friendly kick in the Tail-Fin time, I would expect the same

Oh F**K man I never should have made this post...

Point being ... yawn I dont know if I got that above explained correctly:
If I normally on average get 2.5PED on Thorifoids and suddenly during an entire hunt or several hunts only gets 0.5PED on average (even with globals counted), and I continue to chase what seems to save up...

I'm dedicated, devoted, has an huge fat finger feeling in the loot pattern - and I'm Pisces in the sun signs -

[Referance Link]

HEHE Yep to the first line in the post
But your forgiven being a pisces, Fishperson peace man !

The point being part, you have had a good run, probably made a good deal of profit or been rewarded for your contributions to the working economy Now the system is just working at balancing your cost of participation or rewarding you based on some other factor such as a possible lack of contribution to paying markups to others (just an example).

Sure your an emotional being, but it is all about giving and receiving, your just in the giving cycle and not getting a lot back due to whatever reason the system is treating you the way it is

Just to experience some person gets an extremely large mining hof or crafting hof - I get seriously pissed...

Well the world does not revolve around you, there are others too mate.

Emotional state and all noted your not the only one who seems to not have yet mastered such mundane emotions of spite, jealousy, impatience, animosity, the belief that your not being treated fairly by MA as you should be getting good even returns all the time, etc etc.

No offense, call me a prick if you want, but I think you need to start being real with yourself in the giving and taking aspects of Entropia Universe and learn from this how to enhance your experience over future time to come.

You have been here longer than most, got yourself a PoE in the last robot wars just past, paid for or won through the event, whichever it may be you still have a nice set of armor most can only dream of at this point in their progression or RL financial capacity to deposit;

You should know how these things work and be setting an example for newcomers rather than having such a loud tanty over something that people experience every day, especially in such a spiteful way as in your OP directed at a person who you have not heard of before.

Now be honest,

Do you think your anger was just a little displaced and misrepresented ? Do you feel you have not had a fair go over the last 6 months in nice lump sum returns 10k or more on 4 occassions ?

How about going and congradulating the participant who got the ATH and HoFs. You will feel a shit load better that you did, rather than coming over as spiteful that it wasn't you

*SPANKZ BUZZ SPANK SPANK SPANK*

No pun mate, I hear you venting your anger, but reallllly ?!?

 

[Lavawalker]

If all else fails, goto plan D

No, not duck and dodge ...

 

[~ thebuzz ~]

wait... is this a moaning thread made by an uber to tell us that he\she is not getting his well deserved ath while being no.11 in hunting on entropia tracker and sucking 100s of ks from avarage joes like me?
well i'm in the first 1000 at entropia tracker...

Tricity - did I ever killsteal your mobs? I'm like the the most opposing person in EU against KillStealing... And if someone do experience it from me, they likely sent me 100's mobs, tried to KS from me or die on a mob that agros me...

*NEVER EVER CALL ME A KILLSTEALER *

1. Am not new comers - spend more than 3 and half years playing 12-16 hours a day (with some little braks)
2. My ATH is number 80 so dont say all loot go to one player
3. Thebuzz spying me at entropia tracker is sad 8(
I wish you all such luck
bye

Grats I said that its not against YOU but against the system - did U miss that?

 

[~ thebuzz ~]

If all else fails, goto plan D

No, not duck and dodge ...

Lavawalker wtf are U doing in this thread anyway? Getting your post number up??

 

[rhogenbe]

I do not mind if there is an occasional big loot.

The way i find it unbalanced is that while we see a very big slowdown in the amount of people playing at this moment and we still see a lot of very big loots.

I noticed that my average return loot on molisk dropped by almost 30% of the amount used in ammo and decay in the last 2 weeks. Looking at over 8 months of collected data the hunts of the last 2 weeks are in the lowest 10% of the hunts i have data of. Seems like an almost impossible statistical occurrence.

It seems the system is forced to drop a certain amount of big ones in a period of time. While there are actually to few people playing to support it in this way.

I have started to hear top players with maxed IMKII/mod FAP complain about average loot return. Did anyone notice a lot of top players started to mine in the last couple of weeks? I am also hearing some people talking about taking a few weeks break and hope that loot will have returned to normal by then.

There is really something wrong with the loot system the way it is atm. It seems to assume there are more people playing then there are really playing to be able to support that high an amount of uber loots. Which in turn results in a very low average return for the people who do not get lucky enough to hit a high loot.

Cheers
Siam

 

[~ thebuzz ~]

You have been here longer than most, got yourself a PoE in the last robot wars just past, paid for or won through the event, whichever it may be you still have a nice set of armor most can only dream of at this point in their progression or RL financial capacity to deposit;

You should know how these things work and be setting an example for newcomers rather than having such a loud tanty over something that people experience every day, especially in such a spiteful way as in your OP directed at a person who you have not heard of before.

Damn man U are insane I never ever got an POE and anything else for free from the game...

 

[~ thebuzz ~]

i do not mind if there is an occasional big loot.

The way i find it unbalanced is that while we see a very big slowdown in the amount of people playing at this moment and we still see a lot of very big loots.

I noticed that my average return loot on molisk dropped by almost 30% of the amount used in ammo and decay in the last 2 weeks. Looking at over 8 months of collected data the hunts of the last 2 weeks are in the lowest 10% of the hunts i have data of. Seems like an almost impossible statistical occurrence.

It seems the system is forced to drop a certain amount of big ones in a period of time. While there are actually to few people playing to support it in this way.

I have started to hear top players with maxed imkii/mod fap complain about average loot return. Did anyone notice a lot of top players started to mine in the last couple of weeks? I am also hearing some people talking about taking a few weeks break and hope that loot will have returned to normal by then.

There is really something wrong with the loot system the way it is atm. It seems to assume there are more people playing then there are really playing to be able to support that high an amount of uber loots. Which in turn results in a very low average return for the people who do not get lucky enough to hit a high loot.

Cheers
siam

thats my darn point :d

 

[Lavawalker]

Lavawalker wtf are U doing in this thread anyway? Getting your post number up??

Think I just wasted my time, gl to you.
Blunt version - Stop whining and being an inconsiderate prick.

The system treats everyone the same,

There is no lucky Avatar BULLSHIT !
If you need to construct yourself a belief system to think there is, fine.
Go take it up with MA, everyone else is getting treated the same as you.

Including those whom you claim to be LUCKY avatars on every other day that they are unlucky.

 

[Sparhawke]

The problem is that the average loot is too low and the "special events" are too high.

Other than that I think who gets it is random (though not when since MA can obviously control the low of loot into the game - ATH when they are on TV is no co-incidence).

In theory Ubers should get more because they have more throws of the dice (spend more and kill more for a given spend - efficiency - for example).

In practice I think the events are so far apart that the Uber's increased chance doesn't show up strongly in a statistical sense (if there is one loot event per week from 1,000,000 possible events, having a 1:1,000,000 chance for most or a 1:100,000 chance for a handful then its probably going to look random.

I really do not agree with this, I dont even think Ubers should be allowed in the game but that is a debate for another time.

Wait a minute, I will actually comment on part of this as it is relevent...

This is a game yes? therefore the standard script is that you skill up and then you may be able to have a bigger share of the prize but Mindark royally fucked up because they closed up the shop, made some people Ubers with really high skills and made sure no-one else could ever reach them.

Ubers already get a major part of the cake already simply because they managed to get their skills at a period where they were handed freely out and now you are saying that the whole player base has to support them?

And be glad about it? lol

I have nothing against personally about high/uber players, I just am of the opinion that everyone should have a chance to get there.

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/1600904-post12.html

It is mentioned in this post that it was possible to get higher than level 100 agility, now it is impossible so these players have a distinct advantage over everyone else which should not be.

Imagine this scenario...two people playing the game at the same time and one takes a weekend off and Mindark in their wisdom give a massive bonus for one day only and someone gets way out of reach in skills and then that is plugged...is it right that the guy who didnt get the skills has to pay constantly for the other to keep getting high loots forever??!

What happened to the "balancing" that everyone constantly goes on about?

Anyways, coming back to the topic at hand I have no problem with anyone getting a huge win from anything, it is what I signed up for and maybe tomorrow it will be me. (more than likely not)

I think that Mindark could distribute the wealth a little better because as we all know the likelyhood of someone getting a big win and disappearing forever just isn't likely, unforetunatly they will not do this as if someone gets a small 50 global that they would not otherwise get if someone had a 40k ATH then what reason do they have to deposit?

If this were to happen then I am afraid we will see many more "non depositors are leeches" threads lol

So, how to fix it in a way that suits everybody?

I guess the only way is on a diminishing returns cycle of 70% much like a fruit machine, you may get some back but you will surely pour it all back into the lootpool again especially as Mindark have killed the cash card idea so people cannot get out anything immediately...maybe bring back the guaranteed loots again, even if it one lonely animal hide?

What pisses people off more is not the big loots going to others but the massive runs of getting absolutely sod all back...those runs were they look at dismay at their pile of bullets that used to be 50,000 and their one or two green paint cans they swapped for it.

I certainly would not mind pissing hot lead down the toilet if I knew that for every 100 bullets I blew on something I knew I would get 50-70% back in TT value with the rest going to some lucky sod blasting away on a chirpy.

Maybe we will have to wait until other people start joining in droves though, buying stuff hunters produce and adding to the lootpool themselves, the game has been cloistered for a long time with the same people knowing all the strategies and the problem that creates is that everyone is too economical and the system cannot cope.

You need both winners and losers for a game of this type, something that no-one wants lol (especially if they are the loser lol)

 

[Sapeian]

Bit of a late post buzz.
But i always used to totally envy you with the ammount of globals you used to get on crafting etc.

And i thought whats so special about this guy globalling all the time..

Ive now been playing a little over 2 years and i can see that you must have deposited alot and put alot of time and money to get what you were getting.
or at least thats what i figure.

I cant deposit large ammounts myself.
But i have deposited 2 times this week so far.
And i must say no matter what mob i hit and no matter what time of day or night or what equipment i get at least 10x no looters in a row and when they do loot its small ammounts of TT fodder .
The highest loot ive had this week is 20 ped which was a collection of TT fodder from several mobs.

and thats been the way for me for the last 2 years.
Ive had about 5 globals.
3 hunting and 2 mining.

Had a basic sheet metal blueprint i used to rag the nuts off got it up to 68 QR and never got a return.

I honestly think its becuase im a low depositer.
Thats my opinion.

If it is random.. when will i get a hof or indeed an ATH..
When i deposit 1k ped at a time perhapse?

Some people say keep going your loot pool could just be leading up to a "bigone"

Yeh we will see in couple of years perhapse..

I dont play for the loot totally tbh..

That said though..
I had a deciple.

who actually just finneshed his decipleship about 2 weeks ago.
He deposited once and it was about 200 ped ish..

I had alreaddy given him a full set of pixi and an opallo.

He went out and got 1 hunting global with in the first week of playing.

After 2 weeks he had got up to 4 globals mostly mining globals with TT equipment.

He now has about 3 or 4x his inital deposit ammount..

errm..

Not jelous. no i was very pleased for him.
Just think it sucks a little how i dont get anything..

*Sob*

Ah well keep trying i guess

Sap.

 

[Az Bloodz]

Grats I said that its not against YOU but against the system - did U miss that?

Even though you did not address me I will still answer because I think I can explain why most of the people see you offending him:

It's true you are critizising the system but the point you are implying is plain and simple you thinking you are deserving the ATH more than he does. That's what I am reading in your starting post people who spend more time hunting are the only ones who are allowed to hit the big one.
As I said before you might have a higher chance but the chance you not hitting the ATH is the highest of all chances involved.