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So now its MISS and EVADE O,o !!!??? GOOD JOB MA :@

Lumar

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So they first change it from MISS to EVADE because was better to read that the target evaded your fire then that you miss something in front of your face:laugh:...

Now i go hunt and im Getting alot of MISS and EVADE:laugh::laugh: GG MA Keep stealing more and more...:mad:



:confused::confused:
 
So? You can either miss, or the mob can evade your shot. Your hit rate should be the same as earlier, in the end.



Were you using an unmaxed weapon? I have only used maxed ones, and only gotten "Evade".

I assume that "Miss" is when you use an unmaxed weapon and miss because you lack the required Hit skill, while "Evade" is when you simply miss the mob (basic miss rate).
 
Hmmm yes interesting, I would think the two are different aspects.
 
Nighthawk said:
So? You can either miss, or the mob can evade your shot. Your hit rate should be the same as earlier, in the end.

Were you using an unmaxed weapon? I have only used maxed ones, and only gotten "Evade".
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Yep, this is my experience as well. With maxed weapon I only get EVADE, and the hit rate is the same (90%).
 
Nighthawk said:
So? You can either miss, or the mob can evade your shot. Your hit rate should be the same as earlier, in the end.



Were you using an unmaxed weapon? I have only used maxed ones, and only gotten "Evade".

I assume that "Miss" is when you use an unmaxed weapon and miss because you lack the required Hit skill, while "Evade" is when you simply miss the mob (basic miss rate).
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Im using MAXED and UNMAXED weapons and getting same BS... and before this new VU i was only geting EVADE:wise:
 
I have only hunted ~100 ped worth but I've not seen any "miss" yet. Just evade. Using maxed SIB equipment. I like this... maybe all those misses will finally convince the people using uneco old school gear to use SIB.
 
Neil Stockton said:
I have only hunted ~100 ped worth but I've not seen any "miss" yet. Just evade. Using maxed SIB equipment. I like this... maybe all those misses will finally convince the people using uneco old school gear to use SIB.
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Indeed, seems this will make it much easier to determine the exact effect using unmaxed weapons will have on hit rate :)
 
Lumar said:
So they first change it from MISS to EVADE because was better to read that the target evaded your fire then that you miss something in front of your face:laugh:...

Now i go hunt and im Getting alot of MISS and EVADE:laugh::laugh: GG MA Keep stealing more and more...:mad:

:confused::confused:
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The VU14.0 release notes said:
* When in combat, the text "MISS" has been changed to "EVADE". These messages will be further refined in a later release to more accurately indicate the actual outcome of each attack attempt and provide better information to participants.
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So we were informed 2 months ago that there would be changes to the displayed information. How much more advance notice do you expect them to give ?:scratch2:
 
Serica said:
The VU14.0 release notes said:


So we were informed 2 months ago that there would be changes to the displayed information. How much more advance notice do you expect them to give ?:scratch2:
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Yep that's relatively fast as they warned us about taming a few years ago! :tongue2:
 
Pretty interesting actually. If it is the case that MISS is due to HA-induced misses then the effects of attachments should be more clear without needing huge logs.

Be careful what you whine about; more information is better than less ;)
 
Lumar said:
So they first change it from MISS to EVADE because was better to read that the target evaded your fire then that you miss something in front of your face:laugh:...

Now i go hunt and im Getting alot of MISS and EVADE:laugh::laugh: GG MA Keep stealing more and more...:mad:
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Yes, it will be very interesting what the stats show if we are now paying more or less for overall ammo loss here. But all in all I found missing not all that bad. In the almost 2 years that I have played this game based on Opalo ammo usage I have only lost a total of 2,504.10 ped to MISSing.
 
i get "evade" and "miss" on maxed weapons
 
we used to get MISS before that changed it to EVADE text i don't know what the fuss is all about over a different word.

put it this way say 10 shots in 100 before it was changed to mob evades we used to get MISS so now we get EVADE & MISS who cares what it says we prob get 5 evades and 5 misses or 7 evades & 3 misses check your hit rate with Entropia Tracker, then if it is lower then complain but if you are complaining just because they have added a variety of words.... I mean REALLY!?!?!.... :hammer:
 
Pauhe Gunor said:
we used to get MISS before that changed it to EVADE text i don't know what the fuss is all about over a different word.
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I think what some people are perhaps missing (no pun intended) is that this has always been the situation, just MindArk are being more transparent about it now, in order to help us minimise our losses and understand how mobs effect us when we're hunting.
 
I strongly believe that misses are a critical part of triggering loots, and why MA had to rename in to keep it in the game. I beleive the server attempts to configure your spend on a mob, to equal out what it needs to do, to set the right loot on that mob.

People need to think outside the box, and wonder why this is part of the game, and why MA were so keen to keep it in.

I have zero proof of course or evidence to back up my beliefs. But what matters is your overall return, and if people do believe there is this magic set return, then that would explain why misses are required.

Think about it

I like misses...opps evades.

Rick
 
sidxx said:
i get "evade" and "miss" on maxed weapons
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How many are you getting? What weapon and what prof level? I'm using Archon's sword, am at level 30 and am seeing no "Miss" whatsoever.
 
the OP has forgotten to mention the increases in "Failed" messages , especially if in a team , im not sure if it is server side or client side , but it seems to have gotten worse for myself anyway
 
AkiranBlade said:
I think what some people are perhaps missing (no pun intended) is that this has always been the situation, just MindArk are being more transparent about it now, in order to help us minimise our losses and understand how mobs effect us when we're hunting.
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Now this would be kind of cool if they changed it to this and not added it. Because if they added it, then they would have to make adjustments which I'm guessing they would over look for a bit. But if it was changed to this then no internal % would need to be changed.

My average miss rate is at 11.81% (22 months) so if anything I would be happy to see it drop and not increase more.
 
The theory seems sound. I am 9.5 HA on X1 and get about 95% evades and 5% misses. I like the new system, makes things much clearer.
 
Yeah, it's a great change. GJ MA. :)

And OP: Stop whining, when MA does good things. ;)
 
OZtwo said:
Now this would be kind of cool if they changed it to this and not added it. Because if they added it, then they would have to make adjustments which I'm guessing they would over look for a bit. But if it was changed to this then no internal % would need to be changed.

My average miss rate is at 11.81% (22 months) so if anything I would be happy to see it drop and not increase more.
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I think, I don't know, that you will see your 'miss rate' go down ;) and your 'evade rate' go up :yup: (I know you what you meant really ;) )
 
Vedder said:
Yeah, it's a great change. GJ MA. :)

And OP: Stop whining, when MA does good things. ;)
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Lol love this replys...

How can this be good thing from MA if before this new VU for example
Using same setup on same mobs in 5K shoots run i was getting around 15%
Of that 5k shoots in evades and now doing the same i get the same % of
Evades and now the extra Miss...

So i dont see this has a good thing, what i see is 2 times more money into Ma
Pockets because before was just Evades now its evades and misses.

Before saying hoo you cry and cry and bla bla, go hunt calc all stuff and then ppl
Come post.
 
Lumar said:
Lol love this replys...

How can this be good thing from MA if before this new VU for example
Using same setup on same mobs in 5K shoots run i was getting around 15%
Of that 5k shoots in evades and now doing the same i get the same % of
Evades and now the extra Miss...

So i dont see this has a good thing, what i see is 2 times more money into Ma
Pockets because before was just Evades now its evades and misses.

Before saying hoo you cry and cry and bla bla, go hunt calc all stuff and then ppl
Come post.
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They didn't change the number of misses/evades.
They just improved the feed back, so you now know which is caused by your level being too low for your gun, and which are (unavoidable) evades from the mob.

All they did was give you more info.
 
Lumar said:
So i dont see this has a good thing, what i see is 2 times more money into Ma
Pockets because before was just Evades now its evades and misses.
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Do you have any proof that you are getting 2x as many miss/evades, or is that just based on a gut feeling? I haven't noticed any difference (using maxed weapons, only getting evades doing so) and based on the replies in this thread, you do seem to be in a minority.

Could you post hit rate data using the same weapon before and after the VU to back your claim up?
 
Downfall said:
Yep, this is my experience as well. With maxed weapon I only get EVADE, and the hit rate is the same (90%).
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Before we had a miss rate at 8% on maxed weapons so we need new tests to see if the miss rate or evande as it called now on maxed weapons is still 8%.
 
Does weapon still decays/uses ammo on a MISS? I know it doesn't on evade..
 
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