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I'm quite surprised that no one has lifted this topic, looking at some concerning factors:
  • The crash of previously high valued resources: Redulite, Ignisium, Quantium, Vesperdite, etc. - Ressources only hitable on waves and at a capped TT-amount.
  • Several uber miners are selling out endgame mining gear: UL amps, big-ass finders and best-in-game excavators.
  • The amount of ressources needed in space-blueprints, that is not found in space-mining, is limited - Binary Fluid, Melchi Crystal... Anything else?

So let's get this discussion started:

Did the space VU ruin planetside mining?
 
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Rattler Llama said:
I'm quite surprised that no one has lifted this topic, looking at some concerning factors:
  • The crash of previously high valued resources: Redulite, Ignisium, Quantium, Vesperdite, etc. - Ressources only hitable on waves and at a capped TT-amount.
  • Several uber miners are selling out endgame mining gear: UL amps, big-ass finders and best-in-game excavators.
  • The amount of ressources needed in space-blueprints, that is not found in space-mining, is limited - Binary Fluid, Melchi Crystal... Anything else?

So let's get this discussion started:

Did the space VU ruin planetside mining?
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We need to grind entirely new skills so we can afk shoot at asteroids for the same boring loot.

I didn't think it was possible to make mining less interesting but MA continues to surprise me with their innovation.

This is arguably worse than what happened to hunting, instead of just adding looter levels they've added a whole new profession with access to the same loot.

Now we wait and see if they make the same mistake and space mining MU crashes to zero thanks to UL gear and 24 hour botting.
 
Mindark profits from low mineable looter profession of players now.
Mindark can indroduce mayhem tools for the whole new proffesion for ever hungry mob of token owners.
Mindark profits from players leaving other planets for space mining.
 
MA has a very bad habit about not listening to or understanding the players who actually play this game.. Tanking the markup on everything in game though is a fast way to further deter people from logging on.

I think the space mining update is great and has a lot of potential, but seeing the effect its having on the resources that tend to hold markup quite well, makes me think space should have had its own resources, new ores, rather than just increasing the pool of rare resources and tanking the markup on them all.

But hey its a good thing tt profit is a thing or we would all be screwed...
 
Theocles said:
MA has a very bad habit about not listening to or understanding the players who actually play this game.. Tanking the markup on everything in game though is a fast way to further deter people from logging on.
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may be they trying to close project with "soft power"
 
I suspect they will add a lot more content, ores and rewards to space mining with time. This patch was just a test to launch it and see how the system works.

There will probably be future MU to be found in space.
 
Space mining and planet mining situation can be compared with Resource Mayhem and the normal Mayhem which shared same loot/reward and looks like a model.
I am playing hardcore last years and the only reason is for the possibility to make profit.The people i've interacted in this game playing for the main reason.Sharing same resources will not benefit planet miners, nor space miners, nor MA's revenue.It kills what people are fighting for.
I have asked on discord main chanel about loot table and supply/demand and got this.


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"Invest in your avatar"....the big word of MindArk.
Invest in what? Why to invest?
"To can "rock" you later buddy"

First I did play very stupid. Big amps, more indoor....type of noob who MindArk need it.

After I did find Evey shared post of the long run and how to become a uber and the rares hits...To see AGG going in hardcore mode.To listen some big ubers about how to start and grow ...make me belive I can also be something I want to be. Was a nice dream.

I did see ubers in hunting screaming loudly to MindArk, I did see so many others red flags that MindArk dosent care about players and the best option is stop to invest time and money....I didnt listen and belive I can make it work.
I end it buying good stuff, to start working to improve faster my skills, in hope that future will bring something good. I was wrong. Very wrong.
Not long ago I did write in hope MindArk will understand that they have destroyed hunting, now mining is in same shit.
I try to think how can Mindark belive and think that they will be able to bring more new players and make them stay and invest.
Why to invest when MindArk dont give a shit about you?

The only one fault is me. So many red flags in last year....and damnnnnn....so blind.
And the move of share the loot composition from planet with space....VERY GOOD JOB MINDARK.

PLAYERS PLAY THIS SHIT TO EARN PROFIT.
WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE MU, PLAYERS WILL STOP.

I wish to be a option to can return everything....
No point to invest anymore.
I was a big retard to belive in this shit.

Next move is to do something to "rock" crafting also....
 
I'm guessing cycle rate on asteroids gonna go up as people skill into big lasers....

So yes, mining is mostly doomed :D Except for resources you can't acquire from mining asteroids (tailings refinement). It is really easy to get mats that are a result of tailings refinement...

I think there are some resources unavailable though if I'm not wrong...but yeah...probably a bit tough.
 
InKwL said:
"Invest in your avatar"....the big word of MindArk.
Invest in what? Why to invest?
"To can "rock" you later buddy"

First I did play very stupid. Big amps, more indoor....type of noob who MindArk need it.

After I did find Evey shared post of the long run and how to become a uber and the rares hits...To see AGG going in hardcore mode.To listen some big ubers about how to start and grow ...make me belive I can also be something I want to be. Was a nice dream.

I did see ubers in hunting screaming loudly to MindArk, I did see so many others red flags that MindArk dosent care about players and the best option is stop to invest time and money....I didnt listen and belive I can make it work.
I end it buying good stuff, to start working to improve faster my skills, in hope that future will bring something good. I was wrong. Very wrong.
Not long ago I did write in hope MindArk will understand that they have destroyed hunting, now mining is in same shit.
I try to think how can Mindark belive and think that they will be able to bring more new players and make them stay and invest.
Why to invest when MindArk dont give a shit about you?

The only one fault is me. So many red flags in last year....and damnnnnn....so blind.
And the move of share the loot composition from planet with space....VERY GOOD JOB MINDARK.

PLAYERS PLAY THIS SHIT TO EARN PROFIT.
WHEN THERE WILL BE NO MORE MU, PLAYERS WILL STOP.

I wish to be a option to can return everything....
No point to invest anymore.
I was a big retard to belive in this shit.

Next move is to do something to "rock" crafting also....
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Crafting was the first to go. Mining was 2nd.

So they killed off the hunting carrot.. but they needed to kill off mining.

Only thing that is left is investments - land areas, reselling, and deedtopia.

Every action was to change the game to be player to mindark vs. P2P.. and to cut off every opportunity that players had to withdraw. Every action when viewed through that prism makes more sense.

This is a game who's foundation is a real cash economy but instead of fostering an environment for players to profit and keep them engaged, it is about stopping outflows and locking up all cash by selling direct.

There's your problem.
 
things die when ppl stop doing them period...mining wouldnt die if ppl just mined XD lmfao hunting would die if ppl stopped hunting, and crafting would die if ppl stopped crafting XD. Not everyone needs to be space "mining" though im truly suprised how many ppl are participating in it...

You spend all this time getting gear to improve ur game n u throw it all away to go back to using tt and a Quad XD so, u can idle burn 1.11oil/min hunting asteroids XD id get it from noobs but, they would quickly learn the asteroid are bigger than what a lot of ppl already hunt and then add the idle oil burn many will lose XD ofc mid- ubers wont but, then again why be out there as those players when u have betetr gear XD

IDK if anything dies its cuz the player base decided to kill it not because of MA thats my opinion... no one is forcing anyone to do this...

Only thing i can agree on is the killing of mayhem items was during TWEN XD cuz those weapons for the most part were better than most weapons in game at the time...Which forced ppl to sell their old gear to lower players which those players dont pay those kind of prices for most those items that were upgraded XD imo the market is saturated with weapons, and will be until we get a larger player base of mid+ players

Also, doesnt help when ppl mess up AH listing on slow items and destroying the mu XD and patience also, has killed mu's all because of the player base not MA there.
 
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I couldn't believe everyone wasn't freaking out on forums about this as well and was going to make a post but I'm getting burnt out wasting time on this obvious crap... there is no way in hell MA is this stupid ... they make great ideas and updates like resource mayhem then space mining then put the most rediculous uncapped loot table/amounts to it possible where a 10 year old kid could forsee the huge problems.

So it's mixed messages why do they waste their time and energy working on a great update to kill off the remaining players with an uncapped loot table which overnight destroys all rare markup items? It's just not making any sense to me I'm mind blown from not being able to comprehend that.

Either MA wants to kill the game off or keep it going but do things to go in both directions on purpose and at the same time.

Please MA can you answer if you're intending on game ending soon or continuing?
Are you devs burnt out and want to make it look like you're working hard on keeping game afloat with updates for the shareholders to see but in reality you want it to crash and burn without making it look like you're responsible and people leaving by choice like this type of game isn't popular anymore?

^That's an honest to God, no exaggeration, no joking question because that's only thing that makes some kind of sense.
 
Go ahead, put pyrite in asteroids. (If not already)

:sneaky:
 
Agg said:
Space mining and planet mining situation can be compared with Resource Mayhem and the normal Mayhem which shared same loot/reward and looks like a model.
I am playing hardcore last years and the only reason is for the possibility to make profit.The people i've interacted in this game playing for the main reason.Sharing same resources will not benefit planet miners, nor space miners, nor MA's revenue.It kills what people are fighting for.
I have asked on discord main chanel about loot table and supply/demand and got this.


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Finger to the eye literally :D It's so insulting it's funny :D

one small example: It took me month of heavy mining to mine let's say ~200TT redulite on planet side, with high level finders and a lot of amps (that i bought from other people and moved the economy.)

It took me 12 hours to get 200tt redulite in space with level 10 tool that I bought from TT.

But i see no problem here, it's just that whoever crafted mining gear is fked in the a$$, also whoever mined on the planet is fked in the a$$, as other noobs that has 0 skills can now extract previously rare materials.

Ofc there are other opportunities on planet side, but before they were side opportunities, big chunk of it is taken to space (80%);
 
Sulje said:
Finger to the eye literally :D It's so insulting it's funny :D

one small example: It took me month of heavy mining to mine let's say ~200TT redulite on planet side, with high level finders and a lot of amps (that i bought from other people and moved the economy.)

It took me 12 hours to get 200tt redulite in space with level 10 tool that I bought from TT.

But i see no problem here, it's just that whoever crafted mining gear is fked in the a$$, also whoever mined on the planet is fked in the a$$, as other noobs that has 0 skills can now extract previously rare materials.

Ofc there are other opportunities on planet side, but before they were side opportunities, big chunk of it is taken to space (80%);
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Pretty much and has it even been a full week yet... if player retention was a serious problem with few things 200% MU etc and rest at 105 I'm sure newbies will see potential with 100.8% across the board and stick around... and everyone knows this (with exception to MA maybe?) and is running to the exit sign.
 
I think the purpose is clear as now day, and that purpose is to kill everything MU and prices. Reason why? Dunno, maybe because they've had enough of some players making fat withdrawals once selling some overpriced item or anything else. Maybe MA just wants to keep the money in the game with the hopes that the loyal players that aren't here to profit but only to gamble and lose (much like this guy here), will keep depositing and breathe life in to the game until it obviously gets killed by MA one day. This is the only logical explanation I can think of, and I hope for fuck sake thaat I am very wrong, but it don't look like it. 😂
 
thats what you get when you never played your own game.

fuck this.
 
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