Special items in loots for depositors only

[Dr.D.C.]

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[combo22]

A communist system would mean that everyone ends up with the same amount of money, no matter how much you deposit. In other words, people who deposit and lose should be compensated somehow.

A capitalist system would mean everyone has an (equal) opportunity to make profit, and nobody gets compensated for stupid investments.

lol, who the hell should compensate for depositors loss if non-depositor DONT deposit ?

I want EU to offer me the same chance as to any other avatar hunting the same mob as me to get loot no matter of skills or items we have.

The only difference is that, if avatar X who hunts the same mob as me, but with maxed mod merc instead of X1@170%, pays a lot less then me for the loot he gets. The system doesn't rewards him for having lots of skills and maxed mod merc by giving more loot then me, but by offering him the chance to get that loot cheaper(lack of markup), thus gain more from the markup of the loot.

This should be why skills and good gear have value.

At the moment I consider EU offers this to me and that's why I choosed to remain in this virtual universe.

I'm sure You do , but we are going off topic here.

All of the banned autobot hunters were mainly nondepositors i`ve heard. All of them with uber gear, LAs etc.

Basically you can play Entropia leech style(going super eco) aka playing smart which will make you profit longterm or play for fun which would result in loss. The second type of play is greatly disadvantaged by current system vs 1st mode. Just look at who`s getting all the ATHs. Mostly people playing this 24/7 who have lots of time on their hands aka non depositors, while as Combo says the depositors playing roughly 2-3h/day can`t hit one. You want proof system works like that. Just go check KK Bait and you`ll see.

There are dozens of players playing for years that have barely deposited few dollars and lots of them coming from top developed countries. People like Neomaven that hold this game together are being flammed by few old timer slackers for "buying into it'. If weren`t for ppl like that all these low depositors would long be out of business. In the end a system to boost confidence of depositors would really benefit nondepositors, but some have their judgment clouded by letting emotions get in the way and not thinking this thru.

Right Mikass !

Yeah combo I meant depositors of course. You seem to miss a important point though: depositors always have the option to quit hunting when loot sucks wheras nondepositors do not have the option to hunt more when their PEDs are gone and some of them need go back to sweating or whatever.

And? what economic impact have this on a non-depositor? he lost something that never had!

 

[Witte]

lol, who the hell should compensate for depositors loss if non-depositor DONT deposit ?

Well its not my idea. Ask the OP. But from what I understand it should be done by other depositors. The overall loss is equalized by giving non-depositors less chance. Much like income is equalized with communism.

 

[roughrider]

Breaking News.......the all new.......DEPOSITOR PLANET !!!!!!

Depositor planet features
-Hot chicks
-bigger guns
-shinier armour
-more well endowed avatars
-bigger virtual pedcard
-bars with beer

etc. etc.

There will be a non depositor planet as well featuring
-guaranteed >95% "this creature didn't carry any loot"
-no stones or fruits...only dung and empty beer cans
-no tp chips
-smelly sweat


Welcome one and all

 

[sitram]

I'm sure You do , but we are going off topic here.

I don't think I went off topic. I consider the depositor the user with X1@170% and a non depositor the hunter with maxed mod merc(but you can also consider a team of ppl with low dps weapons with low markup).

So, why would the depositor be favorized?

Atm, both get the same, just that the depositor has to pay more on his loot(the high markup on tools he use).

I am not talking here about the fruit/stones/dung/sweat gatheres or the street/auction reseller.

I'm making a comparation between two players who hunt, but with different styles.

 

[sitram]

Maybe I'm wrong, but my feeling is that Combo and others want that the loot variation to be reduced.

This means for every hunting/crafting/mining round an avatar makes, no matter of size, the system will guarantee him 90% tt return. Atm, the size varies and the higher the level of play the larger seems to be.

IMO that's also bad for the economy because the big depositors could easily exploit such a system.

Besides, there won't be so many hofs/globals/ath, which apparently are good for marketing purposes in EU.

 

[Az Bloodz]

And? what economic impact have this on a non-depositor? he lost something that never had!

When you are going to whine about money lost due to EU that's your personal problem. EU economics is kinda independent from RL economics. If someone's got 100 PED it does not matter how he/she has obtained them.

 

[combo22]

When you are going to whine about money lost due to EU that's your personal problem. EU economics is kinda independent from RL economics. If someone's got 100 PED it does not matter how he/she has obtained them.

ah.. the egg.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my feeling is that Combo and others want that the loot variation to be reduced.

This means for every hunting/crafting/mining round an avatar makes, no matter of size, the system will guarantee him 90% tt return. Atm, the size varies and the higher the level of play the larger seems to be.

IMO that's also bad for the economy because the big depositors could easily exploit such a system.

Besides, there won't be so many hofs/globals/ath, which apparently are good for marketing purposes in EU.

You are right, I'm not saying that it should be every run 90% back, but at least once a month or so you should have your tt balance on track.

When you lose 10% all the time I don't see what you ca exploit, after all TT is all that matter for the system.

 

[Az Bloodz]

Don't know what's so hard to get here. Depositing is the ability to continue playing your game when all your PEDs are gone. That's the advantage, that's the point of depositing.

 

[Quebecer]

Would there be a special 2 weeks of no loot for those who withdraw 100 PED?
And maybe 1 month of no loot for 1000 PED withdrawn?

 

[sitram]

You are right, I'm not saying that it should be every run 90% back, but at least once a month or so you should have your tt balance on track.

When you lose 10% all the time I don't see what you ca exploit, after all TT is all that matter for the system.

Have you actually tried to keep records for a particular profession of your tt returns for more then one round?

I have done this for almost two years now. It takes less then a month to achive 90% tt return with maxed weapons(even more then 90% sometimes). For example with oa101 mining it takes less then 10k ped cycled to reach that value(on average of course).

But don't mix unmaxed weapons with maxed limited weapons or different class or amps in mining, just stay on one for a longer time.

Do you really think my posts are based on nohing?
Every post I made regarding this, is based upon more then 300 records of 300-500 ped ammo runs in hunting. In mining not that many, maybe around 100, but still enough to have a good idea about that profession too.

 

[AtamiKiangola]

Answer to original question : NO (even as I would benefit very very much )

 

[Joat]

*IF* they ever gonna have a bonussystem for depositers, it should be
directly linked to the RL value of the deposits, imo.
As mentioned in this thread, a bonus could be a tt0.00 item that can be
repaired once.
My wish were ESI's in a system like this, they can have tt0.00, and be
repaired to max 20PED. (Value mostly to show idea, not a "must be" value.)

Afterall, it's all the deposits that makes the game to survive. Maybe time
to take more care about customers that are here for entertainment and
are willing to do deposits, but at the same time give both depositers and
nondepositers same chance within the game?

 

[Witte]

*IF* they ever gonna have a bonussystem for depositers, it should be
directly linked to the RL value of the deposits, imo.
As mentioned in this thread, a bonus could be a tt0.00 item that can be
repaired once.
My wish were ESI's in a system like this, they can have tt0.00, and be
repaired to max 20PED. (Value mostly to show idea, not a "must be" value.)

Afterall, it's all the deposits that makes the game to survive. Maybe time
to take more care about customers that are here for entertainment and
are willing to do deposits, but at the same time give both depositers and
nondepositers same chance within the game?

Maybe a good idea is when someone say for example deposits over 5000PED he receives a gold card for free. Oh wait

 

[Joat]

Maybe a good idea is when someone say for example deposits over 5000PED he receives a gold card for free. Oh wait

Yeah, that were a great idea from them, but I don't need 12 GC per year thou'...

 

[Brooklyn]

Always interesting to hear from the I'm "Selflishly Depositing" so you can play, self-appointed local Gods, Kings, Queens and Capitialist exploiters of EU... who seem have the delusional belief that we should not only be grateful, respectful and thankful, but down on our knees genuflecting with gifts to appease them.

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You do not have to deposit... it is your choice
You deposit not for anyone elses benefit
You deposit out of self-interest not as some alturistic gesture
Your depositing or not depositing deserves neither our respect or contempt
Your depositing or not depositing deserves neither reward or punishment


Sorry for your losses


keep up the good work?​

 

[combo22]

Always interesting to hear from the I'm "Selflishly Depositing" so you can play, self-appointed local Gods, Kings, Queens and Capitialist exploiters of EU... who seem have the delusional belief that we should not only be grateful, respectful and thankful, but down on our knees genuflecting with gifts to appease them.

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You do not have to deposit... it is your choice
You deposit not for anyone elses benefit
You deposit out of self-interest not as some alturistic gesture
Your depositing or not depositing deserves neither our respect or contempt
Your depositing or not depositing deserves neither reward or punishment


Sorry for your losses


keep up the good work?​

Never saw so much stupidity in a EF post ever. Nothing to do with reality, but I admit, you have style... I think you can handle a secretary job... and please don't open your mouth... when is about economy.

 

[Brooklyn]

Never saw so much stupidity in a EF post ever. Nothing to do with reality, but I admit, you have style... I think you can handle a secretary job... and please don't open your mouth... when is about economy.

Never saw such stupidity in a response... there is not one statement in there that is not true... I don't think you have much style... and I'm not sure you can handle any job that requires objective thinking... and please feel free to open your mouth when it is not in your own personal economic self-interest...

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So when you got up this morning did you think jeez FPC economy is tanking I think I'll deposit and lose 1000 dollars to save my fellow drowing players and the sinking game...

but not if they don't give me a t-shirt...



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[florin]

Childish, anti society, even a bit `rasist` ideea...
Someone close this thread...or delete it better.

 

[xaph]

Purposely did not read any of the above.... get real all... its user pay's in the big wide world whether it be a carbon tax or some fuel for the car what's being argued ???

 

[xaph]

Purposely did not read any of the above.... get real all... its user pay's in the big wide world whether it be a carbon tax or some fuel for the car what's being argued ???

And its about time ya all pulled your heads in, I deposit and work at the game and in RL, there in nothing for free in this world no one owes you!

 

[xaph]

And its about time ya all pulled your heads in, I deposit and work at the game and in RL, there in nothing for free in this world no one owes you!

Yes I agree with this post,Ii'm sick of treading on eggshells about being able to play for free, there is a limit to how much that should be, and those who pay should be suitably compensated.

 

[combo22]

Never saw such stupidity in a response... there is not one statement in there that is not true... I don't think you have much style... and I'm not sure you can handle any job that requires objective thinking... and please feel free to open your mouth when it is not in your own personal economic self-interest...

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So when you got up this morning did you think jeez FPC economy is tanking I think I'll deposit and lose 1000 dollars to save my fellow drowing players and the sinking game...

but not if they don't give me a t-shirt...



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You little troll... If you had spent few minutes reading some of my posts in this thread you'll already know that I don't need any gift from MA, I just want them to take care of their customers, but I guess you spend more time formatting you posts than thinking what you wrote.
I'll rest my case with you, time is to precious to be wasted like this.

 

[davidgr1200]

EVen though I deposit I think this would be a bad idea. It would be much easier to just give us a couple of extra PED every time we deposit.

 

[Oki Teddy Doki]

The people that deposit are the backbone of the economy in this game, so without them there is no game at all!!!!!
So some kind of reward system to make people want to deposit is a good idea in my eyes for all players, it will give the game a larger cash flow that will benefit all players(even people that don’t deposit).
I have to say that it makes me sick when I hear people that play for free whine when it is the people that deposit that really pays for them (this is for the whiners), cos we all have a dream of making a profit out of playing this game…but then I understand that someone has to pay for that profit also!
But how to reward people that deposit is a hard one to crack.
A idea is to let it work something like a bank, if you have money in the bank you get rent on that cash one time a year. Take it out and you lose the rent. (thinking like this can work fine in game and even keep more cash inside the game).

Ps! Good story’s and selling hide and crap to other players does not pay the staff in MA!! (something to think about)

 

[jaywalker]

Honestly, I disagree.

I think it defies some of the ground aspects of Entropia, being able to work yourself up with the will and time. That anyone can hit it big (even if it annoys some) really.

Deposits should be a "fast track" and nothing else

Absolutely agree!

Besides, people forget that MA do not necessarily make money from depositors. A depositor might use all their deposited PED for trading, then withdraw all those PED and more besides! It's only when people drop bombs, burn ammo etc that MA can be sure that these PED expended through gameplay are theirs to keep. So, MA would have to be stupid to reward people for depositing rather than gameplay.

jay

PS apologies if this has been said already. No time to read the whole thread atm

PPS yes, I have deposited

 

[jaywalker]

(having read the whole thread now)I would like to add another scenario to emphasise my point:

Suppose a depositor blows all his PED on high mark-up, low-eco items (as is often the case)

Then he will probably lose a lot of PED, but we can't be sure that the PED he lost are absorbed into the system. The player that he bought those high mark-up items from might well be a trader (or a player who just "hit the jackpot" so to speak) who then withraws the profit.

Not to say that there is anything wrong with that, but if MA were to compensate, eg by higher loot, for those lost PED. then they would be in danger of giving money away, rather than making money; because the TT value of the items that you use is all that really matters from the POV of MA's accounts, not how much you personally deposited to get those items.

 

[Frigid]

Screw that!

You are asking for trouble. Beisdes, they can't be that good or they will effect the balance of that game. You would be essentilay "buying" items form MA.

 

[Oki Teddy Doki]

Then he will probably lose a lot of PED, but we can't be sure that the PED he lost are absorbed into the system. The player that he bought those high mark-up items from might well be a trader (or a player who just "hit the jackpot" so to speak) who then withraws the profit.

If you put money into a bank and someone lends it and can't pay back.....do you think the bank gives you the blame cos it just happend to be your cash he did lend?

All and all it is the total cashflow into and out of the game that counts for MA!

Just hope MA soon starts to maked the game more with the cash thay get in, if not all of it may go out of the game and then we may not have a game at all.

So a little bonus to make people want to invest some cash into the game can't hurt all that lot.

MA has full track over what you deposit and take out of the game, so then it is easy to see what your balance is.....so make a small bonus maybe one time per year on this balance(just a idea how to do it)

 

[jaywalker]

If you put money into a bank and someone lends it and can't pay back.....do you think the bank gives you the blame cos it just happend to be your cash he did lend?

Nope, and I fail to see the relevance (like who is blaming anyone, anyhow?). Anyway, the bank wouldn't know who's cash they lent out, ofc, because once it's in the banking system, it's all the same, When did you get a loan that said "$99,990 from Richie Rich and $10 from Penny Pincher". When did you ever see a banknote with the depositor's name written on it?

All and all it is the total cashflow into and out of the game that counts for MA!

No, it isn't. It's the total TT value expended. Because, unlike the bank, MA isn't making money by loaning your PED, at interest, to other clients. MA makes money when you spend those PED on gameplay, because PED spent on gameplay cannot therafter be withrawn. As others have said, to deposit is only to convert real cash into virtual cash. It is not an act of investment in the game, per se. What you do with those PED is the crucial matter.

Of course somebody has to deposit, or else those PED would not be available, but we can hardly think that MA keeps track of which player deposited every PED you spend. That would NOT even be possible, because a PED is a PED is PED. They are all exactly the same.

You've missed the point. People who lose more than, say, 10% of what they put in (in the long term) are playing uneconomically. It's not MA who benefit from uneconomical play, but other players, who get to sell their loot at high mark-up. Therefore , it's not up to MA to compensate for this. If they did, they would lose. People who lose too much money (whether depositors or non-depositors) have exacly the same choice to play more economically. And, like it or not, that's only realistic solution

That's not to say that depositing shouldn't be encouraged. It certainly should, but, as others have said, by making game-play more attractive, not by giving financial rewards to depositors (who, as others have said, could just withdraw that deposit, along with their reward, contributing nothing at all in the pocess)

jay